[DeTomaso] By-Laws (Re: POCA Election and email voting)

Sat Dec 6 13:50:14 EST 2014

I didn’t receive a pre-printed envelope. Also, I can hardly see how a ballot with our name/membership number could be considered anonymous. Regardless, I mailed in mine and am hoping that it isn’t invalidated by starting its journey under Canada Post and not USPS. I probably failed to “designate” my associate member (my wife) too…

Mark Charlton
pantera01826 at rogers.com

On Dec 6, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

>   All I see is in (k) is a requirement to send out ballots with a
>   pre-printed return envelope and as to ballot return it states "if
>   applicable, together with instructions for their return to the Election
>   Committee and containing the date that the ballots must be postmarked
>   and/or received to be eligible to be counted"
>   "if applicable, together with instructions for their return" I don't
>   have a copy of my newsletter as I'm in Canada, does it explicitly say
>   ballots have to be returned by USPS mail in the pre-printed envelope
>   provided in the newsletter? I can scan the envelope too if it helps
>   your overcome your bureaucracy.
> 
>   "date that ballots must be postmarked and/or received  to be eligible
>   to be counted" would imply that a postmark is not necessarily required,
>   therefore could be delivered by such other means as hand delivered,
>   email etc.
>   Julian
>   POCA: Politics like Obama; Conspiracies Abound
>> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:57:05 -0800
>> From: asajay at asajay.com
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] By-Laws (Re: POCA Election and email voting)
>> 
>> The POCA By-Laws are published publicly for all to see:
>> http://www.poca.com/index.php/club/by-laws
>> 
>> Note section 4. Elections:
>> Subsection (e):
>> (e) It shall be the function of the Election Committee to contact
>> individuals nominated for office; to verify their availability for
>> office; to verify that they are members in good standing both at the
>> time of their nomination and, if successful, at the time of their
>> election; to solicit additional nominees if warranted; to prepare,
>   mail
>> and receive ballots; to verify eligibility of both Regular and
>   Associate
>> members for voting; to count the valid votes; and to announce the
>> successful candidates;
>> 
>> and subsection (k) through (n):
>> 
>> (k) On October 1st, ballots and pre-printed return envelopes are to
>   be
>> provided to Regular members via first-class U.S. mail, with space
>> provided on the ballot for voting by both the Regular member and the
>> designated Associate member, if applicable, together with
>   instructions
>> for their return to the Election Committee and containing the date
>   that
>> the ballots must be postmarked and/or received to be eligible to be
>   counted;
>> 
>> (l) Voting shall be by secret written ballot and only on the original
>> ballot form as provided by POCA;
>> 
>> (m) Only Regular and Associate members in good standing shall be
>> entitled to vote;
>> 
>> (n) Only Associate members who are specifically designated as such by
>> Regular members will be entitled to vote;
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I would agree the methods could
>> change now that we're in the 21st century, but it will take a change
>   to
>> the by-laws, which has it's own problems.
>> 
>> Asa Jay
>> 
>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> & Shelley Marie
>> Spokane, WA
>> ******************************
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>> 
>> 
>> On 12/6/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Moore wrote:
>>> People, All.
>>> 
>>> Come on it is 2014, damn near 15.
>>> 
>>> Just because I have a 40 year old car, it should not mean i vote bu
>>> snail mail.
>>> 
>>> John Buckman, I thought we covered this off Thursday night.
>>> 
>>> I completely agree with Julian.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Bill Moore
>>> 
>>> Incendium Supply
>>> 
>>> Calgary
>>> 
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> 
>>> From: Julian Kift
>>> 
>>> Date:2014-12-06 10:30 AM (GMT-07:00)
>>> 
>>> To: cengles at cox.net,detomaso at poca.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Election and email voting
>>> 
>>> Chuck,
>>> Can you point us to where the bylaws specifically state that
>   ballots
>>> have to be returned via US Mail? I see where ballots must be sent
>   out
>>> via such means or as later amended within a newsletter, but no
>>> requirement that they have to be returned by such. This would
>   actually
>>> preclude all of us outside the US that are members in good
>   standing.
>>> I would sincerely hope that my PDF vote with my member number and
>>> signature that I emailed to you will be counted or I am afraid I
>   shall
>>> be voting with my feet next time my membership comes due.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Julian
>>> From: cengles at cox.net
>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 11:14:35 -0600
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Election and email voting
>>> Dear Forum,
>>> The bylaws state that only mailed ballots are
>>> acceptable.
>>> At this time the bylaws do not permit email voting.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, Chuck Engles
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>>> Chuck,
>>> Can you point us to where the bylaws specifically state that
>   ballots
>>> have to be returned via US Mail? I see where ballots must be sent
>>> out
>>> via such means or as later amended within a newsletter, but no
>>> requirement that they have to be returned by such. This would
>>> actually
>>> preclude all of us outside the US that are members in good
>   standing.
>>> I would sincerely hope that my PDF vote with my member number and
>>> signature that I emailed to you will be counted or I am afraid I
>>> shall
>>> be voting with my feet next time my membership comes due.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Julian
>>> From: cengles at cox.net
>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 11:14:35 -0600
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Election and email voting
>>> Dear Forum,
>>> The bylaws state that only mailed ballots are
>>> acceptable.
>>> At this time the bylaws do not permit email voting.
>>> Sincerely, Chuck Engles
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