[DeTomaso] By-Laws (Re: POCA Election and email voting)
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sat Dec 6 13:23:12 EST 2014
All I see is in (k) is a requirement to send out ballots with a pre-printed return envelope and as to ballot return it states "if applicable, together with instructions for their return to the Election Committee and containing the date that the ballots must be postmarked and/or received to be eligible to be counted"
"if applicable, together with instructions for their return" I don't have a copy of my newsletter as I'm in Canada, does it explicitly say ballots have to be returned by USPS mail in the pre-printed envelope provided in the newsletter? I can scan the envelope too if it helps your overcome your bureaucracy. "date that ballots must be postmarked and/or received to be eligible to be counted" would imply that a postmark is not necessarily required, therefore could be delivered by such other means as hand delivered, email etc.
JulianPOCA: Politics like Obama; Conspiracies Abound
> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:57:05 -0800
> From: asajay at asajay.com
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] By-Laws (Re: POCA Election and email voting)
>
> The POCA By-Laws are published publicly for all to see:
> http://www.poca.com/index.php/club/by-laws
>
> Note section 4. Elections:
> Subsection (e):
> (e) It shall be the function of the Election Committee to contact
> individuals nominated for office; to verify their availability for
> office; to verify that they are members in good standing both at the
> time of their nomination and, if successful, at the time of their
> election; to solicit additional nominees if warranted; to prepare, mail
> and receive ballots; to verify eligibility of both Regular and Associate
> members for voting; to count the valid votes; and to announce the
> successful candidates;
>
> and subsection (k) through (n):
>
> (k) On October 1st, ballots and pre-printed return envelopes are to be
> provided to Regular members via first-class U.S. mail, with space
> provided on the ballot for voting by both the Regular member and the
> designated Associate member, if applicable, together with instructions
> for their return to the Election Committee and containing the date that
> the ballots must be postmarked and/or received to be eligible to be counted;
>
> (l) Voting shall be by secret written ballot and only on the original
> ballot form as provided by POCA;
>
> (m) Only Regular and Associate members in good standing shall be
> entitled to vote;
>
> (n) Only Associate members who are specifically designated as such by
> Regular members will be entitled to vote;
>
>
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I would agree the methods could
> change now that we're in the 21st century, but it will take a change to
> the by-laws, which has it's own problems.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 12/6/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Moore wrote:
> > People, All.
> >
> > Come on it is 2014, damn near 15.
> >
> > Just because I have a 40 year old car, it should not mean i vote bu
> > snail mail.
> >
> > John Buckman, I thought we covered this off Thursday night.
> >
> > I completely agree with Julian.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bill Moore
> >
> > Incendium Supply
> >
> > Calgary
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> >
> > From: Julian Kift
> >
> > Date:2014-12-06 10:30 AM (GMT-07:00)
> >
> > To: cengles at cox.net,detomaso at poca.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Election and email voting
> >
> > Chuck,
> > Can you point us to where the bylaws specifically state that ballots
> > have to be returned via US Mail? I see where ballots must be sent out
> > via such means or as later amended within a newsletter, but no
> > requirement that they have to be returned by such. This would actually
> > preclude all of us outside the US that are members in good standing.
> > I would sincerely hope that my PDF vote with my member number and
> > signature that I emailed to you will be counted or I am afraid I shall
> > be voting with my feet next time my membership comes due.
> > Sincerely,
> > Julian
> > From: cengles at cox.net
> > To: detomaso at poca.com
> > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 11:14:35 -0600
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Election and email voting
> > Dear Forum,
> > The bylaws state that only mailed ballots are
> > acceptable.
> > At this time the bylaws do not permit email voting.
> >
> > Sincerely, Chuck Engles
> > _______________________________________________
> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> > DeTomaso mailing list
> > DeTomaso at poca.com
> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > Chuck,
> > Can you point us to where the bylaws specifically state that ballots
> > have to be returned via US Mail? I see where ballots must be sent
> > out
> > via such means or as later amended within a newsletter, but no
> > requirement that they have to be returned by such. This would
> > actually
> > preclude all of us outside the US that are members in good standing.
> > I would sincerely hope that my PDF vote with my member number and
> > signature that I emailed to you will be counted or I am afraid I
> > shall
> > be voting with my feet next time my membership comes due.
> > Sincerely,
> > Julian
> > From: cengles at cox.net
> > To: detomaso at poca.com
> > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 11:14:35 -0600
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Election and email voting
> > Dear Forum,
> > The bylaws state that only mailed ballots are
> > acceptable.
> > At this time the bylaws do not permit email voting.
> > Sincerely, Chuck Engles
> > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum
> > Managed
> > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com
> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > _______________________________________________
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> > DeTomaso mailing list
> > DeTomaso at poca.com
> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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All I see is in (k) is a requirement to send out ballots with a
pre-printed return envelope and as to ballot return it states "if
applicable, together with instructions for their return to the Election
Committee and containing the date that the ballots must be postmarked
and/or received to be eligible to be counted"
"if applicable, together with instructions for their return" I don't
have a copy of my newsletter as I'm in Canada, does it explicitly say
ballots have to be returned by USPS mail in the pre-printed envelope
provided in the newsletter? I can scan the envelope too if it helps
your overcome your bureaucracy.
"date that ballots must be postmarked and/or received to be eligible
to be counted" would imply that a postmark is not necessarily required,
therefore could be delivered by such other means as hand delivered,
email etc.
Julian
POCA: Politics like Obama; Conspiracies Abound
> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:57:05 -0800
> From: asajay at asajay.com
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] By-Laws (Re: POCA Election and email voting)
>
> The POCA By-Laws are published publicly for all to see:
> http://www.poca.com/index.php/club/by-laws
>
> Note section 4. Elections:
> Subsection (e):
> (e) It shall be the function of the Election Committee to contact
> individuals nominated for office; to verify their availability for
> office; to verify that they are members in good standing both at the
> time of their nomination and, if successful, at the time of their
> election; to solicit additional nominees if warranted; to prepare,
mail
> and receive ballots; to verify eligibility of both Regular and
Associate
> members for voting; to count the valid votes; and to announce the
> successful candidates;
>
> and subsection (k) through (n):
>
> (k) On October 1st, ballots and pre-printed return envelopes are to
be
> provided to Regular members via first-class U.S. mail, with space
> provided on the ballot for voting by both the Regular member and the
> designated Associate member, if applicable, together with
instructions
> for their return to the Election Committee and containing the date
that
> the ballots must be postmarked and/or received to be eligible to be
counted;
>
> (l) Voting shall be by secret written ballot and only on the original
> ballot form as provided by POCA;
>
> (m) Only Regular and Associate members in good standing shall be
> entitled to vote;
>
> (n) Only Associate members who are specifically designated as such by
> Regular members will be entitled to vote;
>
>
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I would agree the methods could
> change now that we're in the 21st century, but it will take a change
to
> the by-laws, which has it's own problems.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 12/6/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Moore wrote:
> > People, All.
> >
> > Come on it is 2014, damn near 15.
> >
> > Just because I have a 40 year old car, it should not mean i vote bu
> > snail mail.
> >
> > John Buckman, I thought we covered this off Thursday night.
> >
> > I completely agree with Julian.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bill Moore
> >
> > Incendium Supply
> >
> > Calgary
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> >
> > From: Julian Kift
> >
> > Date:2014-12-06 10:30 AM (GMT-07:00)
> >
> > To: cengles at cox.net,detomaso at poca.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Election and email voting
> >
> > Chuck,
> > Can you point us to where the bylaws specifically state that
ballots
> > have to be returned via US Mail? I see where ballots must be sent
out
> > via such means or as later amended within a newsletter, but no
> > requirement that they have to be returned by such. This would
actually
> > preclude all of us outside the US that are members in good
standing.
> > I would sincerely hope that my PDF vote with my member number and
> > signature that I emailed to you will be counted or I am afraid I
shall
> > be voting with my feet next time my membership comes due.
> > Sincerely,
> > Julian
> > From: cengles at cox.net
> > To: detomaso at poca.com
> > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 11:14:35 -0600
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Election and email voting
> > Dear Forum,
> > The bylaws state that only mailed ballots are
> > acceptable.
> > At this time the bylaws do not permit email voting.
> >
> > Sincerely, Chuck Engles
> > _______________________________________________
> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> > DeTomaso mailing list
> > DeTomaso at poca.com
> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > Chuck,
> > Can you point us to where the bylaws specifically state that
ballots
> > have to be returned via US Mail? I see where ballots must be sent
> > out
> > via such means or as later amended within a newsletter, but no
> > requirement that they have to be returned by such. This would
> > actually
> > preclude all of us outside the US that are members in good
standing.
> > I would sincerely hope that my PDF vote with my member number and
> > signature that I emailed to you will be counted or I am afraid I
> > shall
> > be voting with my feet next time my membership comes due.
> > Sincerely,
> > Julian
> > From: cengles at cox.net
> > To: detomaso at poca.com
> > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 11:14:35 -0600
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Election and email voting
> > Dear Forum,
> > The bylaws state that only mailed ballots are
> > acceptable.
> > At this time the bylaws do not permit email voting.
> > Sincerely, Chuck Engles
> > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum
> > Managed
> > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com
> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> > DeTomaso mailing list
> > DeTomaso at poca.com
> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> >
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> >
> >
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