[DeTomaso] NPC good idea for mileage.
Will Kooiman
will.kooiman at gmail.com
Sun Aug 24 08:53:59 EDT 2014
Jeff said it very well.
I just changed the hybrid battery on our Insight for the 2nd time. It was
$1500 this time. Gas mileage has dropped to about 55mpg. Overall mileage
is 213,000. If it were a straight gasoline engine w/out hybrid, it would
probably run about 45mpg. That¹s an average of 50/50 highway city based
on our experiences the past year with a dead hybrid battery. Driveability
was pretty bad under 10mph. A turbo 3-cylinder would be better overall.
On 8/23/14, 10:38 PM, "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Geeze, a 1982 Honda Civic Wagon can break 40MPG.A Kind of a dog to
> drive, tho.
>
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:26 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com
> <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
>
> A A I would have to concur with your evaluation. Even BMW with thr
> newly
> A A introduced i3 can't break 40 mpg.
> A
> A [1][3]http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-
> window-s
> A A ticker-revealed-39-mpg-on-gasoline-breaking
> A A Michael Shortt
> A A On Aug 23, 2014 10:20 PM, "Jeff Cobb" <[2][4]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
> wrote:
> A A A AA A Thank you for sending.
> A A A AA A What you showed us is a fine system for air/fuel vapor
> A A A induction on its
> A A A AA A crudest yet functional primal level.
> A A A AA A Various systems of this type came out and were on
> working
> A A A automotive
> A A A AA A and motorcycle functions in 1883 +-.
> A A A AA A American George Brayton used a device like this in
> about 1880
> A A A to
> A A A AA A function as a carb and he used a screen
> A A A AA A to separate the wave reversal of combustion flame.
> A A A AA A Karl Benz first Patent cycle used a vapor device like
> this
> A A A in/about
> A A A AA A 1890.
> A A A AA A The 1894 Hildebrand & Wolfmueller used this system and
> I
> A A A photoed it at
> A A A AA A the 2013 Pebble.
> A A A AA A Of course this system is crude and in the 120 design
> years
> A A A since has
> A A A AA A become more usable for our daily drives.
> A A A AA A What this u-tube shows and we all know is that a well
> designed
> A A A steady
> A A A AA A state gasoline engine is many times more
> A A A AA A economical that an engine with varying rpm.
> A A A AA A Why can't GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc do it too?
> A A A AA A They cannot use this system because it does not
> provide enough
> A A A AA A horsepower and drivability.
> A A A AA A This is why future cars will have steady state
> gasoline engine
> A A A AA A providing power for varying rpm electric motors,
> A A A AA A trains have used this hybrid concept starting in 1903.
> A A A AA A Gasoline consumed will equal specific horsepower and
> torque
> A A A output and
> A A A AA A only will a very lightly loaded small h/p output gas
> engine
> A A A ever
> A A A AA A achieve 50 +- mpg in daily use. Any higher number
> would be B/S,
> A A A not
> A A A AA A properly drivable and unable to carry load.
> A A A AA A Many English cars after WWII ran on coal dust and or
> wood fume
> A A A vapors
> A A A AA A from their pulled trailers.
> A A A AA A Many fuel/air types are possible but most people
> desire
> A A A functional use
> A A A AA A over economy.
> A A A AA A Thanks,
> A A A AA A Jeff Cobb
> A A A AA A On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Jeff Detrich
> A A A <[1][3][5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> A A A AA A wrote:
> A A A AA AA AA A What do you think of this!
> A A A AA AA AA A Jeff
> A A A AA AA AA A 6559
> A A A AA A
> A A A A
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> A A A AA AA AA A Maybe people make fun of Rednecks and their
> ideas but
> A A A here is one
> A A A AA AA AA A Genius who will make you stop and think for a
> minute. He
> A A A watched
> A A A AA AA A his
> A A A AA AA AA A neighbor do this with a lawn mower and used
> the same
> A A A technique on
> A A A AA AA A his
> A A A AA AA AA A V-6 Dodge Dakota pick-up truck.AA Why can't
> GM, Ford,
> A A A Chrysler, etc
> A A A AA AA A do
> A A A AA AA AA A it too?
> A A A AA AA A References
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