[DeTomaso] NPC good idea for mileage.

Roland Jaeckel willibillie at live.de
Sun Aug 24 09:41:33 EDT 2014


My 1999 Volkswagen Polo with a 110 HP turbo diesel engine does 47 MpG in daily use. It has run now 300.000 miles and nothing ever failed. So where is the atvantsge to new hybrid cars?

> Am 24.08.2014 um 14:53 schrieb Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>:
> 
> Jeff said it very well.
> 
> I just changed the hybrid battery on our Insight for the 2nd time.  It was
> $1500 this time.  Gas mileage has dropped to about 55mpg.  Overall mileage
> is 213,000.  If it were a straight gasoline engine w/out hybrid, it would
> probably run about 45mpg.  That¹s an average of 50/50 highway city based
> on our experiences the past year with a dead hybrid battery.  Driveability
> was pretty bad under 10mph.  A turbo 3-cylinder would be better overall.
> 
>> On 8/23/14, 10:38 PM, "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Geeze, a 1982 Honda Civic Wagon can break 40MPG.A  Kind of a dog to
>>  drive, tho.
>> 
>>  On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:26 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>  <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
>> 
>>    A  A I would have to concur with your evaluation. Even BMW with thr
>>    newly
>>    A  A introduced i3 can't break 40 mpg.
>>    A
>>    A [1][3]http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-
>>    window-s
>>    A  A ticker-revealed-39-mpg-on-gasoline-breaking
>>    A  A Michael Shortt
>>    A  A On Aug 23, 2014 10:20 PM, "Jeff Cobb" <[2][4]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
>>    wrote:
>>    A  A  A AA  A Thank you for sending.
>>    A  A  A AA  A What you showed us is a fine system for air/fuel vapor
>>    A  A  A induction on its
>>    A  A  A AA  A crudest yet functional primal level.
>>    A  A  A AA  A Various systems of this type came out and were on
>>    working
>>    A  A  A automotive
>>    A  A  A AA  A and motorcycle functions in 1883 +-.
>>    A  A  A AA  A American George Brayton used a device like this in
>>    about 1880
>>    A  A  A to
>>    A  A  A AA  A function as a carb and he used a screen
>>    A  A  A AA  A to separate the wave reversal of combustion flame.
>>    A  A  A AA  A Karl Benz first Patent cycle used a vapor device like
>>    this
>>    A  A  A in/about
>>    A  A  A AA  A 1890.
>>    A  A  A AA  A The 1894 Hildebrand & Wolfmueller used this system and
>>    I
>>    A  A  A photoed it at
>>    A  A  A AA  A the 2013 Pebble.
>>    A  A  A AA  A Of course this system is crude and in the 120 design
>>    years
>>    A  A  A since has
>>    A  A  A AA  A become more usable for our daily drives.
>>    A  A  A AA  A What this u-tube shows and we all know is that a well
>>    designed
>>    A  A  A steady
>>    A  A  A AA  A state gasoline engine is many times more
>>    A  A  A AA  A economical that an engine with varying rpm.
>>    A  A  A AA  A Why can't GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc do it too?
>>    A  A  A AA  A They cannot use this system because it does not
>>    provide enough
>>    A  A  A AA  A horsepower and drivability.
>>    A  A  A AA  A This is why future cars will have steady state
>>    gasoline engine
>>    A  A  A AA  A providing power for varying rpm electric motors,
>>    A  A  A AA  A trains have used this hybrid concept starting in 1903.
>>    A  A  A AA  A Gasoline consumed will equal specific horsepower and
>>    torque
>>    A  A  A output and
>>    A  A  A AA  A only will a very lightly loaded small h/p output gas
>>    engine
>>    A  A  A ever
>>    A  A  A AA  A achieve 50 +- mpg in daily use. Any higher number
>>    would be B/S,
>>    A  A  A not
>>    A  A  A AA  A properly drivable and unable to carry load.
>>    A  A  A AA  A Many English cars after WWII ran on coal dust and or
>>    wood fume
>>    A  A  A vapors
>>    A  A  A AA  A from their pulled trailers.
>>    A  A  A AA  A Many fuel/air types are possible but most people
>>    desire
>>    A  A  A functional use
>>    A  A  A AA  A over economy.
>>    A  A  A AA  A Thanks,
>>    A  A  A AA  A Jeff Cobb
>>    A  A  A AA  A On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Jeff Detrich
>>    A  A  A <[1][3][5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>>    A  A  A AA  A wrote:
>>    A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A What do you think of this!
>>    A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Jeff
>>    A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A 6559
>>    A  A  A AA  A
>>    A  A  A A
>>    [1][2][4][6]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&f
>>    r
>>    A  A  A ef=nf
>>    A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Maybe people make fun of Rednecks and their
>>    ideas but
>>    A  A  A here is one
>>    A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Genius who will make you stop and think for a
>>    minute. He
>>    A  A  A watched
>>    A  A  A AA  AA  A his
>>    A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A neighbor do this with a lawn mower and used
>>    the same
>>    A  A  A technique on
>>    A  A  A AA  AA  A his
>>    A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A V-6 Dodge Dakota pick-up truck.AA  Why can't
>>    GM, Ford,
>>    A  A  A Chrysler, etc
>>    A  A  A AA  AA  A do
>>    A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A it too?
>>    A  A  A AA  AA  A References
>>    A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A 1.
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>>    [16]http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-wind
>>    ow-sticker-revealed-39-mpg-on-gasoline-breaking
>>    A  A 2. mailto:[17]jeffcobb1 at me.com
>>    A  A 3. mailto:[18]jjdetrich at gmail.com
>>    A  A 4.
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>> References
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>>  1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>  2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>  3. http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-window-s
>>  4. mailto:jeffcobb1 at me.com
>>  5. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
>>  6. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fr
>>  7. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=
>>  8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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>> 10. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
>> 11. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
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>> 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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>> 16. 
>> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-window-sticker
>> -revealed-39-mpg-on-gasoline-breaking
>> 17. mailto:jeffcobb1 at me.com
>> 18. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
>> 19. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
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