[DeTomaso] NPC good idea for mileage.

Sean Korb spkorb at gmail.com
Sat Aug 23 22:38:50 EDT 2014


Geeze, a 1982 Honda Civic Wagon can break 40MPG.  Kind of a dog to drive,
tho.


On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:26 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:

>    I would have to concur with your evaluation. Even BMW with thr newly
>    introduced i3 can't break 40 mpg.
>
>    [1]http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-window-s
>    ticker-revealed-39-mpg-on-gasoline-breaking
>
>    Michael Shortt
>
>    On Aug 23, 2014 10:20 PM, "Jeff Cobb" <[2]jeffcobb1 at me.com> wrote:
>
>      A  A Thank you for sending.
>      A  A What you showed us is a fine system for air/fuel vapor
>      induction on its
>      A  A crudest yet functional primal level.
>      A  A Various systems of this type came out and were on working
>      automotive
>      A  A and motorcycle functions in 1883 +-.
>      A  A American George Brayton used a device like this in about 1880
>      to
>      A  A function as a carb and he used a screen
>      A  A to separate the wave reversal of combustion flame.
>      A  A Karl Benz first Patent cycle used a vapor device like this
>      in/about
>      A  A 1890.
>      A  A The 1894 Hildebrand & Wolfmueller used this system and I
>      photoed it at
>      A  A the 2013 Pebble.
>      A  A Of course this system is crude and in the 120 design years
>      since has
>      A  A become more usable for our daily drives.
>      A  A What this u-tube shows and we all know is that a well designed
>      steady
>      A  A state gasoline engine is many times more
>      A  A economical that an engine with varying rpm.
>      A  A Why can't GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc do it too?
>      A  A They cannot use this system because it does not provide enough
>      A  A horsepower and drivability.
>      A  A This is why future cars will have steady state gasoline engine
>      A  A providing power for varying rpm electric motors,
>      A  A trains have used this hybrid concept starting in 1903.
>      A  A Gasoline consumed will equal specific horsepower and torque
>      output and
>      A  A only will a very lightly loaded small h/p output gas engine
>      ever
>      A  A achieve 50 +- mpg in daily use. Any higher number would be B/S,
>      not
>      A  A properly drivable and unable to carry load.
>      A  A Many English cars after WWII ran on coal dust and or wood fume
>      vapors
>      A  A from their pulled trailers.
>      A  A Many fuel/air types are possible but most people desire
>      functional use
>      A  A over economy.
>      A  A Thanks,
>      A  A Jeff Cobb
>      A  A On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Jeff Detrich
>      <[1][3]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>      A  A wrote:
>      A  A  A  A What do you think of this!
>      A  A  A  A Jeff
>      A  A  A  A 6559
>      A  A
>      A [1][2][4]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fr
>      ef=nf
>      A  A  A  A Maybe people make fun of Rednecks and their ideas but
>      here is one
>      A  A  A  A Genius who will make you stop and think for a minute. He
>      watched
>      A  A  A his
>      A  A  A  A neighbor do this with a lawn mower and used the same
>      technique on
>      A  A  A his
>      A  A  A  A V-6 Dodge Dakota pick-up truck.A  Why can't GM, Ford,
>      Chrysler, etc
>      A  A  A do
>      A  A  A  A it too?
>      A  A  A References
>      A  A  A  A 1.
>      A  A
>      A [3][5]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=
>      nf
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>      A  A 2.
>      [9]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
>      A  A 3.
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>    1.
> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-window-sticker-revealed-39-mpg-on-gasoline-breaking
>    2. mailto:jeffcobb1 at me.com
>    3. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
>    4. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
>    5. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
>    6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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>    8. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
>    9. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
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   Geeze, a 1982 Honda Civic Wagon can break 40MPG.A  Kind of a dog to
   drive, tho.

   On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:26 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com
   <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:

     A  A I would have to concur with your evaluation. Even BMW with thr
     newly
     A  A introduced i3 can't break 40 mpg.
     A
     A [1][3]http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-
     window-s
     A  A ticker-revealed-39-mpg-on-gasoline-breaking
     A  A Michael Shortt
     A  A On Aug 23, 2014 10:20 PM, "Jeff Cobb" <[2][4]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
     wrote:
     A  A  A AA  A Thank you for sending.
     A  A  A AA  A What you showed us is a fine system for air/fuel vapor
     A  A  A induction on its
     A  A  A AA  A crudest yet functional primal level.
     A  A  A AA  A Various systems of this type came out and were on
     working
     A  A  A automotive
     A  A  A AA  A and motorcycle functions in 1883 +-.
     A  A  A AA  A American George Brayton used a device like this in
     about 1880
     A  A  A to
     A  A  A AA  A function as a carb and he used a screen
     A  A  A AA  A to separate the wave reversal of combustion flame.
     A  A  A AA  A Karl Benz first Patent cycle used a vapor device like
     this
     A  A  A in/about
     A  A  A AA  A 1890.
     A  A  A AA  A The 1894 Hildebrand & Wolfmueller used this system and
     I
     A  A  A photoed it at
     A  A  A AA  A the 2013 Pebble.
     A  A  A AA  A Of course this system is crude and in the 120 design
     years
     A  A  A since has
     A  A  A AA  A become more usable for our daily drives.
     A  A  A AA  A What this u-tube shows and we all know is that a well
     designed
     A  A  A steady
     A  A  A AA  A state gasoline engine is many times more
     A  A  A AA  A economical that an engine with varying rpm.
     A  A  A AA  A Why can't GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc do it too?
     A  A  A AA  A They cannot use this system because it does not
     provide enough
     A  A  A AA  A horsepower and drivability.
     A  A  A AA  A This is why future cars will have steady state
     gasoline engine
     A  A  A AA  A providing power for varying rpm electric motors,
     A  A  A AA  A trains have used this hybrid concept starting in 1903.
     A  A  A AA  A Gasoline consumed will equal specific horsepower and
     torque
     A  A  A output and
     A  A  A AA  A only will a very lightly loaded small h/p output gas
     engine
     A  A  A ever
     A  A  A AA  A achieve 50 +- mpg in daily use. Any higher number
     would be B/S,
     A  A  A not
     A  A  A AA  A properly drivable and unable to carry load.
     A  A  A AA  A Many English cars after WWII ran on coal dust and or
     wood fume
     A  A  A vapors
     A  A  A AA  A from their pulled trailers.
     A  A  A AA  A Many fuel/air types are possible but most people
     desire
     A  A  A functional use
     A  A  A AA  A over economy.
     A  A  A AA  A Thanks,
     A  A  A AA  A Jeff Cobb
     A  A  A AA  A On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Jeff Detrich
     A  A  A <[1][3][5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
     A  A  A AA  A wrote:
     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A What do you think of this!
     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Jeff
     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A 6559
     A  A  A AA  A
     A  A  A A
     [1][2][4][6]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&f
     r
     A  A  A ef=nf
     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Maybe people make fun of Rednecks and their
     ideas but
     A  A  A here is one
     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Genius who will make you stop and think for a
     minute. He
     A  A  A watched
     A  A  A AA  AA  A his
     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A neighbor do this with a lawn mower and used
     the same
     A  A  A technique on
     A  A  A AA  AA  A his
     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A V-6 Dodge Dakota pick-up truck.AA  Why can't
     GM, Ford,
     A  A  A Chrysler, etc
     A  A  A AA  AA  A do
     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A it too?
     A  A  A AA  AA  A References
     A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A 1.
     A  A  A AA  A
     A  A  A A
     [3][5][7]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref
     =
     A  A  A nf
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     =nf
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     [16]http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-wind
     ow-sticker-revealed-39-mpg-on-gasoline-breaking
     A  A 2. mailto:[17]jeffcobb1 at me.com
     A  A 3. mailto:[18]jjdetrich at gmail.com
     A  A 4.
     [19]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
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     [24]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
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   "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
   "Computers are useless.A  They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso

References

   1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   3. http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-window-s
   4. mailto:jeffcobb1 at me.com
   5. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
   6. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fr
   7. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=
   8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  10. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
  11. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
  12. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
  13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  16. http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-window-sticker-revealed-39-mpg-on-gasoline-breaking
  17. mailto:jeffcobb1 at me.com
  18. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
  19. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
  20. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
  21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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  23. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
  24. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
  25. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
  26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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