[DeTomaso] NPC good idea for mileage.
Sean Korb
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Sat Aug 23 22:38:50 EDT 2014
Geeze, a 1982 Honda Civic Wagon can break 40MPG. Kind of a dog to drive,
tho.
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:26 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
> I would have to concur with your evaluation. Even BMW with thr newly
> introduced i3 can't break 40 mpg.
>
> [1]http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-window-s
> ticker-revealed-39-mpg-on-gasoline-breaking
>
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Aug 23, 2014 10:20 PM, "Jeff Cobb" <[2]jeffcobb1 at me.com> wrote:
>
> A A Thank you for sending.
> A A What you showed us is a fine system for air/fuel vapor
> induction on its
> A A crudest yet functional primal level.
> A A Various systems of this type came out and were on working
> automotive
> A A and motorcycle functions in 1883 +-.
> A A American George Brayton used a device like this in about 1880
> to
> A A function as a carb and he used a screen
> A A to separate the wave reversal of combustion flame.
> A A Karl Benz first Patent cycle used a vapor device like this
> in/about
> A A 1890.
> A A The 1894 Hildebrand & Wolfmueller used this system and I
> photoed it at
> A A the 2013 Pebble.
> A A Of course this system is crude and in the 120 design years
> since has
> A A become more usable for our daily drives.
> A A What this u-tube shows and we all know is that a well designed
> steady
> A A state gasoline engine is many times more
> A A economical that an engine with varying rpm.
> A A Why can't GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc do it too?
> A A They cannot use this system because it does not provide enough
> A A horsepower and drivability.
> A A This is why future cars will have steady state gasoline engine
> A A providing power for varying rpm electric motors,
> A A trains have used this hybrid concept starting in 1903.
> A A Gasoline consumed will equal specific horsepower and torque
> output and
> A A only will a very lightly loaded small h/p output gas engine
> ever
> A A achieve 50 +- mpg in daily use. Any higher number would be B/S,
> not
> A A properly drivable and unable to carry load.
> A A Many English cars after WWII ran on coal dust and or wood fume
> vapors
> A A from their pulled trailers.
> A A Many fuel/air types are possible but most people desire
> functional use
> A A over economy.
> A A Thanks,
> A A Jeff Cobb
> A A On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Jeff Detrich
> <[1][3]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> A A wrote:
> A A A A What do you think of this!
> A A A A Jeff
> A A A A 6559
> A A
> A [1][2][4]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fr
> ef=nf
> A A A A Maybe people make fun of Rednecks and their ideas but
> here is one
> A A A A Genius who will make you stop and think for a minute. He
> watched
> A A A his
> A A A A neighbor do this with a lawn mower and used the same
> technique on
> A A A his
> A A A A V-6 Dodge Dakota pick-up truck.A Why can't GM, Ford,
> Chrysler, etc
> A A A do
> A A A A it too?
> A A A References
> A A A A 1.
> A A
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> nf
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> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-window-sticker-revealed-39-mpg-on-gasoline-breaking
> 2. mailto:jeffcobb1 at me.com
> 3. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
> 4. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
> 5. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
> 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> 8. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
> 9. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref=nf
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Geeze, a 1982 Honda Civic Wagon can break 40MPG.A Kind of a dog to
drive, tho.
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:26 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com
<[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
A A I would have to concur with your evaluation. Even BMW with thr
newly
A A introduced i3 can't break 40 mpg.
A
A [1][3]http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-
window-s
A A ticker-revealed-39-mpg-on-gasoline-breaking
A A Michael Shortt
A A On Aug 23, 2014 10:20 PM, "Jeff Cobb" <[2][4]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
wrote:
A A A AA A Thank you for sending.
A A A AA A What you showed us is a fine system for air/fuel vapor
A A A induction on its
A A A AA A crudest yet functional primal level.
A A A AA A Various systems of this type came out and were on
working
A A A automotive
A A A AA A and motorcycle functions in 1883 +-.
A A A AA A American George Brayton used a device like this in
about 1880
A A A to
A A A AA A function as a carb and he used a screen
A A A AA A to separate the wave reversal of combustion flame.
A A A AA A Karl Benz first Patent cycle used a vapor device like
this
A A A in/about
A A A AA A 1890.
A A A AA A The 1894 Hildebrand & Wolfmueller used this system and
I
A A A photoed it at
A A A AA A the 2013 Pebble.
A A A AA A Of course this system is crude and in the 120 design
years
A A A since has
A A A AA A become more usable for our daily drives.
A A A AA A What this u-tube shows and we all know is that a well
designed
A A A steady
A A A AA A state gasoline engine is many times more
A A A AA A economical that an engine with varying rpm.
A A A AA A Why can't GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc do it too?
A A A AA A They cannot use this system because it does not
provide enough
A A A AA A horsepower and drivability.
A A A AA A This is why future cars will have steady state
gasoline engine
A A A AA A providing power for varying rpm electric motors,
A A A AA A trains have used this hybrid concept starting in 1903.
A A A AA A Gasoline consumed will equal specific horsepower and
torque
A A A output and
A A A AA A only will a very lightly loaded small h/p output gas
engine
A A A ever
A A A AA A achieve 50 +- mpg in daily use. Any higher number
would be B/S,
A A A not
A A A AA A properly drivable and unable to carry load.
A A A AA A Many English cars after WWII ran on coal dust and or
wood fume
A A A vapors
A A A AA A from their pulled trailers.
A A A AA A Many fuel/air types are possible but most people
desire
A A A functional use
A A A AA A over economy.
A A A AA A Thanks,
A A A AA A Jeff Cobb
A A A AA A On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Jeff Detrich
A A A <[1][3][5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A A AA A wrote:
A A A AA AA AA A What do you think of this!
A A A AA AA AA A Jeff
A A A AA AA AA A 6559
A A A AA A
A A A A
[1][2][4][6]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&f
r
A A A ef=nf
A A A AA AA AA A Maybe people make fun of Rednecks and their
ideas but
A A A here is one
A A A AA AA AA A Genius who will make you stop and think for a
minute. He
A A A watched
A A A AA AA A his
A A A AA AA AA A neighbor do this with a lawn mower and used
the same
A A A technique on
A A A AA AA A his
A A A AA AA AA A V-6 Dodge Dakota pick-up truck.AA Why can't
GM, Ford,
A A A Chrysler, etc
A A A AA AA A do
A A A AA AA AA A it too?
A A A AA AA A References
A A A AA AA AA A 1.
A A A AA A
A A A A
[3][5][7]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201677077718343&fref
=
A A A nf
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2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
3. http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-window-s
4. mailto:jeffcobb1 at me.com
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18. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
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