[DeTomaso] Odd ebay listings

[Boyd Casey]

In New York your vin # is printed on your registration sticker that is
stuck on your windshield adjacent to the inspection sticker and above the
vin # that is on the car and visible through the windshield . This way
anyone can tell with just a glance if the plates on the car actually belong
there. Another important thing to remember is that many cars are stolen for
either use in a chop shop or for export ( where our registry won't do us
much good). I believe in good locks and better insurance!
Boyd

On Saturday, June 15, 2013, Mike Dailey wrote:

> Bill,
>
>
>
> Exactly.  That is why I'd rather not have my full VIN number floating
> around
> on the web.   I'm fine with the last four digits and they are all over the
> place on the web.  Many of the newer cars like my 2009 Mustang have their
> VINs exposed through the windshield and I have mine covered over with an
> easily removable cover and can be only removed from the inside of the car.
> Call me paranoid but ....
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> From: Bill Lewis [mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com <javascript:;>]
> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 1:57 PM
> To: panteraplace
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com <javascript:;>
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Odd ebay listings
>
>
>
> Along this same line of thought, if a person wanted to bring an illegal car
> into America, and actually drive it - couldn't they just either jack with
> the title somehow, or switch a legal license plate onto it and drive away
> into the sunset!    ---BILL Lewis
>
> > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net <javascript:;>
> > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com <javascript:;>;
> > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:33:59 -0700
> > CC: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd ebay listings
> >
> > Mike, I appreciated very much your explanation below, and think that
> would
> > be a good thing to reprint in Profiles or the newsletter in the near
> future.
> > This is also something we might think about weaving into the upgrades
> being
> > considered to the POCA website.
> >
> > Mike Thomas
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 9:36 PM
> > To: panteraplace at hotmail.com
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd ebay listings
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 6/14/13 18 14 9, panteraplace at hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > Could be and probably another good reason for not publishing full VINs
> > > on the web.  I've been told that someone tried to publish my VIN on a
> > > website, but they have the number wrong so I guess it does not matter.
> > >
> >
> > >>>Not yet, anyway. At least, not to you.
> >
> > However, I think it's important to point out that you're displaying what
> I
>
> > consider to be spectacularly faulty reasoning.
> >
> > My VIN is THPNMD03960. It's important to me that this is public
> > information.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > Well, by way of contrast, consider several scenarious surrounding your
> > "I've got a secret" philosophy about your car's identity.
> >
> > Let's say that somebody plucks some Pantera photos off the web, or from a
> > car show, then attempts to market the car somehow and assigns it your
> VIN.
> >
> > Prospective buyers would hopefully conduct due diligence, and look for
> that
> > VIN in the registry to try to learn more about the car. Failing to find
> > any information, they are left to proceed on good faith. An unsuspecting
> > buyer can be seduced by a well-written ad, money changes hands, then the
> > perpetrator disappears into thin air, leaving the poor would-be buyer
> > holding the
> > bag, with nothing to show for his expenditure.
> >
> > Granted, this doesn't affect you personally--it's somebody else's
> problem.
>
> > But you could have prevented it and chose not to.
> >
> > Now, consider a more powerful scenario. You come home from work one day
> > and find your garage door open, and your Pantera is gone. Thieves have
> > spirited it away and it crosses the country. Through various shenanigans,
> > dubious paperwork is generated which gives them the appearance of
> legitimate
> >
> > ownership of the car, and the thieves then offer it up for sale. A
> > prospective
> > buyer, once again, does his due diligence, and finds no information in
> the
>
> > registry, and presented with a real car and matching paperwork, money
> trades
> >
> > hands and the car is now in the hands of a new owner.
> >
> > The car could then trade hands, legally, several times, and many years
> > could go by before it's discovered that the car was stolen. You, of
> > course,
> > would have no recourse because your insurance company paid the claim the
> > moment you reported the car stolen to them, and thus they technically
> became
> > the
> > legal owners. Their lawyers can go after the car and attempt to seize it,
> > and eventually they would prevail, but in the meantime, there would be
> years
> >
> > of legal wrangling between the various parties, with claims and
> > counter-claims. You would also have a very difficult time, as you would
> > have to
> > engage lawyers to go after your insurance company if you wanted to
> retrieve
> > the
> > car and return their payment to you, and there is no reason to believe
> you
>
> > would be successful in that endeavor.
> >
> > (Note that this actually happened with a non-Pantera not too long ago;
> lots
> > of lawsuits resulted but the car was returned to the person w