[DeTomaso] Odd ebay listings

[Boyd Casey]

I'll tell you the problem with that approach. This actually happened to us
at a car dealer I was general sales manager of.
Someone buys a wrecked car at an insurance salvage  auction for peanuts .
Then they go out and steal an Identical car. They pop the vin tags from the
windshield and door jambs of both cars and put the salvage car vin on the
stolen car. Then they sell the stolen car with the title from the salvage
car. This was before car fax . The State police and the auto theft squads
have known about this for years. Just about every car I know has hidden vin
#'s. the cops know where the hidden vin's are and would track down vin #'s
of salvage cars that reappear in DMV computers and then pay a surprise
visit to the new owner who winds up the loser. Some cars ( like Mercedes
Benz) have the vin stamped in the fire wall in huge letters/ numbers so it
's virtually impossible to scam. That's just one of the reasons many banks
won't finance a car with salvage history and many police departments or DMV
agency's require cars with salvage titles to be brought in for an
inspection before a new title or registration will be issued. And believe
me when I tell you you better have a bonafide receipt for every nut and
bolt that was needed to rebuild the car.
Boyd

On Saturday, June 15, 2013, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:

>   I agree with Boyd.   How many Pantera's are actually stolen each year?
>   My guess is… not many, if any.
>
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>   From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'boyd411 at gmail.com');>>
> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:48:26 -0400
> To: Mike Dailey <panteraplace at hotmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'panteraplace at hotmail.com');>>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'detomaso at poca.com');>"
> <detomaso at poca.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'detomaso at poca.com');>>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd ebay listings
>
>   In New York your vin # is printed on your registration sticker that is
> stuck on your windshield adjacent to the inspection sticker and above the
> vin # that is on the car and visible through the windshield . This way
> anyone can tell with just a glance if the plates on the car actually belong
> there. Another important thing to remember is that many cars are stolen for
> either use in a chop shop or for export ( where our registry won't do us
> much good). I believe in good locks and better insurance!
> Boyd
>
>  On Saturday, June 15, 2013, Mike Dailey wrote:
>
>  Bill,
>
>
>
>  Exactly.  That is why I'd rather not have my full VIN number floating
> around
> on the web.   I'm fine with the last four digits and they are all over the
> place on the web.  Many of the newer cars like my 2009 Mustang have their
> VINs exposed through the windshield and I have mine covered over with an
> easily removable cover and can be only removed from the inside of the car.
> Call me paranoid but ....
>
>
>
>  Mike
>
>
>
>  From: Bill Lewis [mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com <javascript:_e({},
> 'cvml', 'lotus0005 at hotmail.com');> <javascript:;>]
> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 1:57 PM
> To: panteraplace
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'detomaso at poca.com');><javascript:;>
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Odd ebay listings
>
>
>
>  Along this same line of thought, if a person wanted to bring an illegal
> car
> into America, and actually drive it - couldn't they just either jack with
> the title somehow, or switch a legal license plate onto it and drive away
> into the sunset!    ---BILL Lewis
>
>  > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'mbefthomas at comcast.net');> <javascript:;>
> > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'MikeLDrew at aol.com');><javascript:;>;
> > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:33:59 -0700
> > CC: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd ebay listings
> >
> > Mike, I appreciated very much your explanation below, and think that
> would
> > be a good thing to reprint in Profiles or the newsletter in the near
> future.
> > This is also something we might think about weaving into the upgrades
> being
> > considered to the POCA website.
> >
> > Mike Thomas
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 9:36 PM
> > To: panteraplace at hotmail.com
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd ebay listings
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 6/14/13 18 14 9, panteraplace at hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > Could be and probably another good reason for not publishing full VINs
> > > on the web.  I've been told that someone tried to publish my VIN on a
> > > website, but they have the number wrong so I guess it does not matter.
> > >
> >
> > >>>Not yet, anyway. At least, not to you.
> >
> > However, I think it's important to point out that you're displaying what
> I
>
>  > consider to be spectacularly faulty reasoning.
> >
> > My VIN is THPNMD03960. It's important to me that this is public
> > information.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > Well, by way of contrast, consider several scenarious surrounding your
> > "I've got a secret" philosophy about your car's identity.
> >
> > Let's say that somebody plucks some Pantera photos off the web, or from a
> > car show, then attempts to market the car somehow and assigns it your
> VIN.
> >
> > Prospective buyers would hopefully conduct due diligence, and look for
> that
> > VIN in the registry to try to learn more about the car. Failing to find
> > any information, they are left to proceed on good faith. An unsuspecting
> > buyer can be seduced by a well-written ad, money changes hands, then the
> > perpetrator disappears into thin air, leaving the poor would-be buyer
> > holding the
> > bag, with nothing to show for his expenditure.
> >
> > Granted, this doesn't affect you personally--it's somebody else's
> problem.
>
>  > But you could have prevented it and chose not to.
> >
> > Now, consider a more powerful scenario. You come home from work one day
> > and find your garage door open, and your Pantera is gone. Thieves have
> > spirited it away and it crosses the country. Through various shenanigans,
> > dubious paperwork is generated which gives them the appearance of
> legitimate
> >
> > ownership of the car, and the thieves then offer it up for sale. A
> > prospective
> > buyer, once again, does his due diligence, and finds no information in
> the
>
>  > registry, and presented with a real car and matching paperwork, money
> trades
> >
> > hands and the car is now in the hands of a new owner.
> >
> > The car could then trade hands, legally, several times, and many years
> > could go by before it's discovered that the car was stolen. You, of
> > course,
> > would have no recourse because your insurance company paid the claim the
> > moment you reported the car stolen to them, and thus they technically
> became
> > the
> > legal owners. Their lawyers can go after the car and attempt to seize it,
> > and eventually they would prev
>
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