[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 104, Issue 8

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I have a set of 74 Campagnolo wheels sitting in the shop--anyone interested my email is bahamasdivers at gmail

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Today's Topics:

   1. Wrong cam with Webers.... (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
   2. Re: Wrong cam with Webers.... (Will Kooiman)
   3. Re: Wrong cam with Webers.... (Kirby Schrader)
   4. NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned (Sean Korb)
   5. Re: NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned (Will Kooiman)
   6. Wear particles. (dave londry)
   7. Re: NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned (dave londry)
   8. Re: NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned (shawkins777 at comcast.net)
   9. Re: NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned corrected
      (shawkins777 at comcast.net)
  10. Re: NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
  11. Re: Wrong cam with Webers.... (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
  12. Re: Wrong cam with Webers.... (Will Kooiman)
  13. Re: Wear particles. (cengles at cox.net)
  14.  Wrong cam with Webers.... (B. Seib)
  15. Re: NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned (Sean Korb)
  16. Re: NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned (Tom Shinrock)
  17. Fwd:  NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned (Tom Shinrock)
  18. Re: NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned (michael at michaelshortt.com)
  19. Re: NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned (Kirby Schrader)
  20. Re: NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned (Jerry Knotts)
  21. Fwd: Fun Rally Early Registration/ Reservation notice (L GRAY)
  22. Re: NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned (LS)
  23. 8-inch Campagnolo L-model wheels needed (MikeLDrew at aol.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 20:35:43 -0500 (EST)
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Wrong cam with Webers....
To: detomaso at POCA.com
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Hi guys,

Here's a great video by an engine outfit in England that built a motor for 
a race Pantera.   I *think* it was for the yellow factory Gr4 that was 
converted to Gr5 spec, although it might have been for the red Gr3 converted to 
Gr4 spec (#5855).   The latter car never really ran properly.

Anyway, the interesting thing about Webers is that they demand an unusually 
wide LSA (lobe seperation angle) of 112-115 degrees to work properly.   
This engine was probably fitted with a very radical narrow LSA cam engineered 
for a big single-plane intake, which has completely different requirements.

They got a ton of power out of the engine, yes (I suspect it's a big-time 
cheater stroker).   But, note the effect of the narrow LSA--ungodly amounts 
of reversion, and a potentially lethal cloud of fuel vapors hanging over the 
mouths of the carbs.  Years ago, I saw the Adler's Gr5 Pantera literally 
catch on fire in the pits at the POCA Fun Rally track event, because this fuel 
vapor soaked the air filters, and then it backfired on startup and set the 
filters on fire.   Webers have lots of fiddly brass jets that will melt at 
low temperature, and it doesn't take long for an air cleaner fire to lead to a 
Weber meltdown, and molten metal that runs down into the cylinders is never 
a good thing.

Anyway, check it out....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRdwWgSGqvc

With Webers, wide LSA is your friend.   It really smoothes the idle out and 
removes much of the radical nature of a powerful engine, making the car 
sound quiet and docile by comparison.   But boy, will it go!

Mike

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:58:43 -0500
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wrong cam with Webers....
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,	<detomaso at POCA.com>
Message-ID: <CD39C1A6.299E2%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
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I have posted this before, but?

I ran my car with a CompCams 282S and currently with a 294S.

These are old school solid lifter cams with "mild rough idle" and "rough
idle" descriptions.  I don't have the specs handy, but they are on a
106deg lobe separation and they have a lot of overlap.

My car had the usual mean Pantera idle with a Holley.  When I switched to
Webers, the idle completely smoothed out.  I can't imagine it getting any
smoother with a wider lobe separation, and to be honest I don't want it
smoother.

I haven't run it hard (on a dyno) to watch the reversion, but I plan on it
once I get the car together.

My point is that I disagree that a wide LSA is needed with Webers to
smooth out the idle.  I am sure that it helps with reversion and may make
more power, but how much smoother can it get?

--
Will

On 2/7/13 8:35 PM, "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:

>Hi guys,
>
>Here's a great video by an engine outfit in England that built a motor
>for 
>a race Pantera.   I *think* it was for the yellow factory Gr4 that was
>converted to Gr5 spec, although it might have been for the red Gr3
>converted to 
>Gr4 spec (#5855).   The latter car never really ran properly.
>
>Anyway, the interesting thing about Webers is that they demand an
>unusually 
>wide LSA (lobe seperation angle) of 112-115 degrees to work properly.
>This engine was probably fitted with a very radical narrow LSA cam
>engineered 
>for a big single-plane intake, which has completely different
>requirements.
>
>They got a ton of power out of the engine, yes (I suspect it's a big-time
>cheater stroker).   But, note the effect of the narrow LSA--ungodly
>amounts 
>of reversion, and a potentially lethal cloud of fuel vapors hanging over
>the 
>mouths of the carbs.  Years ago, I saw the Adler's Gr5 Pantera literally
>catch on fire in the pits at the POCA Fun Rally track event, because this
>fuel 
>vapor soaked the air filters, and then it backfired on startup and set
>the 
>filters on fire.   Webers have lots of fiddly brass jets that will melt
>at 
>low temperature, and it doesn't take long for an air cleaner fire to lead
>to a 
>Weber meltdown, and molten metal that runs down into the cylinders is
>never 
>a good thing.
>
>Anyway, check it out....
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRdwWgSGqvc
>
>With Webers, wide LSA is your friend.   It really smoothes the idle out
>and 
>removes much of the radical nature of a powerful engine, making the car
>sound quiet and docile by comparison.   But boy, will it go!
>
>Mike
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 20:03:53 -0600
From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wrong cam with Webers....
To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com, detomaso at POCA.com
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Smoothing out the idle is more to do with the individual runner intake.
There are no pulses 'fighting each other' in the plenum of the intake under the 
4 bbl.

We've kinda' beat this up before?.

The LSA just optimizes the performance.

But hey? what do I know? I run wide LSA's on the Pantera and the GT40.
They both have IR intakes and EFI.

Kirby

On Feb 7, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have posted this before, but?
> 
> I ran my car with a CompCams 282S and currently with a 294S.
> 
> These are old school solid lifter cams with "mild rough idle" and "rough
> idle" descriptions.  I don't have the specs handy, but they are on a
> 106deg lobe separation and they have a lot of overlap.
> 
> My car had the usual mean Pantera idle with a Holley.  When I switched to
> Webers, the idle completely smoothed out.  I can't imagine it getting any
> smoother with a wider lobe separation, and to be honest I don't want it
> smoother.
> 
> I haven't run it hard (on a dyno) to watch the reversion, but I plan on it
> once I get the car together.
> 
> My point is that I disagree that a wide LSA is needed with Webers to
> smooth out the idle.  I am sure that it helps with reversion and may make
> more power, but how much smoother can it get?
> 
> --
> Will
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/7/13 8:35 PM, "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> Here's a great video by an engine outfit in England that built a motor
>> for 
>> a race Pantera.   I *think* it was for the yellow factory Gr4 that was
>> converted to Gr5 spec, although it might have been for the red Gr3
>> converted to 
>> Gr4 spec (#5855).   The latter car never really ran properly.
>> 
>> Anyway, the interesting thing about Webers is that they demand an
>> unusually 
>> wide LSA (lobe seperation angle) of 112-115 degrees to work properly.
>> This engine was probably fitted with a very radical narrow LSA cam
>> engineered 
>> for a big single-plane intake, which has completely different
>> requirements.
>> 
>> They got a ton of power out of the engine, yes (I suspect it's a big-time
>> cheater stroker).   But, note the effect of the narrow LSA--ungodly
>> amounts 
>> of reversion, and a potentially lethal cloud of fuel vapors hanging over
>> the 
>> mouths of the carbs.  Years ago, I saw the Adler's Gr5 Pantera literally
>> catch on fire in the pits at the POCA Fun Rally track event, because this
>> fuel 
>> vapor soaked the air filters, and then it backfired on startup and set
>> the 
>> filters on fire.   Webers have lots of fiddly brass jets that will melt
>> at 
>> low temperature, and it doesn't take long for an air cleaner fire to lead
>> to a 
>> Weber meltdown, and molten metal that runs down into the cylinders is
>> never 
>> a good thing.
>> 
>> Anyway, check it out....
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRdwWgSGqvc
>> 
>> With Webers, wide LSA is your friend.   It really smoothes the idle out
>> and 
>> removes much of the radical nature of a powerful engine, making the car
>> sound quiet and docile by comparison.   But boy, will it go!
>> 
>> Mike
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 21:51:50 -0500
From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned
To: detomaso at poca.com
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What are your past tense cars?  I made a list at http://spkorb.org/cars.html

Chronological to first drive or possession

1969 850 Fiat Spider 900cc
Towed away by the city after having its wheels stolen.
1973 Plymouth Scamp 3.7L
Drove it to the junkyard after failing to fix upper control arm bushing
1973 Plymouth Satellite 5.3L
Drove it until the oil cooked. Lost oil pressure and timing chain
1974 Dodge Dart 3.7L
Drove it until the oil cooked. Stripped distributor gear.
1970 Ford LTD 5.8L
Extracted the motor for the Mustang
1967 Ford Mustang Coupe 5.8L
Lost oil pressure and threw a rod spectacularly. Towed away by the city.
1969 Ford Mustang GT Sports Roof 5.0L
Best car of the lot. Frame got too tired and broke after I ran into a curb
1969 Ford Mustang Coupe 3.1L
Parts car for the GT
1979 Ford Fairmount 4cylinder 2.3L
Tree jumped in front of me
1985 Honda CB650 Nighthawk 650cc
Sold it and was hooned by next owner
1970 VW Microbus 1.3L
Sold for college money
1970 VW Microbus 1.6L
Sold for college money
1984 Honda V45 Magna 750cc
Sold for college money
1975 Chevrolet Monza Towne Coupe 5.7L
Chimney fell on it. Sold for 2 4 packs of Guiness.
1988 Chevrolet Sprint 1.0L
Gave it back to previous owner
1980 CB750
Sold to a couple of kids
CB1000
Sold to an adult
1991 Toyota MR2
Had a bad experience. Sold to Autocrosser
1998 Linclon Mk VIII LSC
Had a good experience. Sold to CarMax

-- 
Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
'65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
"The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
"Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 23:38:48 -0500
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned
To: <spkorb at gmail.com>,	<detomaso at poca.com>
Message-ID: <CD39E993.29A39%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"

We've done this before, and I liked it then too.

67 Cougar, 289 automatic, white, very straight, rear ended by a drunk on
the 8th day of ownership
68 Mustang, 302 automatic, switched to top loader after burning up 3
automatics, used that car up
84 Mustang GT Turbo, strangely that's one I really miss, great commuter,
plus plenty of grunt for passing, traded it in on the 93 Cobra
93 Mustang Cobra, Red, Vortech, I would still have it today if the punks
wouldn't have kept stealing it.
67 Mustang Fastback, 289 then 428 2x4s, 5 speed in white/blue GT500 trim,
too loud, extremely fast
97 Mustang Cobra, hated that car, lots of power, but it felt like a Toyota
72 Pantera, favorite so far
01 Viper GTS ACR, Sapphire Blue

--
Will

On 2/7/13 9:51 PM, "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:

>What are your past tense cars?  I made a list at
>http://spkorb.org/cars.html
>
>Chronological to first drive or possession
>
>1969 850 Fiat Spider 900cc
>Towed away by the city after having its wheels stolen.
>1973 Plymouth Scamp 3.7L
>Drove it to the junkyard after failing to fix upper control arm bushing
>1973 Plymouth Satellite 5.3L
>Drove it until the oil cooked. Lost oil pressure and timing chain
>1974 Dodge Dart 3.7L
>Drove it until the oil cooked. Stripped distributor gear.
>1970 Ford LTD 5.8L
>Extracted the motor for the Mustang
>1967 Ford Mustang Coupe 5.8L
>Lost oil pressure and threw a rod spectacularly. Towed away by the city.
>1969 Ford Mustang GT Sports Roof 5.0L
>Best car of the lot. Frame got too tired and broke after I ran into a curb
>1969 Ford Mustang Coupe 3.1L
>Parts car for the GT
>1979 Ford Fairmount 4cylinder 2.3L
>Tree jumped in front of me
>1985 Honda CB650 Nighthawk 650cc
>Sold it and was hooned by next owner
>1970 VW Microbus 1.3L
>Sold for college money
>1970 VW Microbus 1.6L
>Sold for college money
>1984 Honda V45 Magna 750cc
>Sold for college money
>1975 Chevrolet Monza Towne Coupe 5.7L
>Chimney fell on it. Sold for 2 4 packs of Guiness.
>1988 Chevrolet Sprint 1.0L
>Gave it back to previous owner
>1980 CB750
>Sold to a couple of kids
>CB1000
>Sold to an adult
>1991 Toyota MR2
>Had a bad experience. Sold to Autocrosser
>1998 Linclon Mk VIII LSC
>Had a good experience. Sold to CarMax
>
>-- 
>Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
>'65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
>"The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
>"Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 21:13:26 -0800
From: dave londry <davel at emspace.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Wear particles.
To: Detomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
Message-ID: <51148976.4060500 at emspace.com>
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Hey you engine analysts.
I'm installing A Kevco Racing pan right now,
  so I got to take an inventory of the contents of the pan and the filter.

I rebuilt this engine (377 Cleveland) last year and put 100 miles on the 
break-in oil.
Everything was new or newly ground but the rings.
  I kept them because there was very little mileage on the previous build,
  (which I inherited along with some very special quality problems).
When I changed the break-in oil,
  I got about the volume of 2 BBs in magnetic muck on the drain-plug magnet.
It wasn't very magnetic, so I'll BS-guess and say it was less than 10% 
steel/iron.
I didn't recover anything when I tore the filter apart (K&N)
  so it was probably just too well distributed for me to find.

Then I put 1200 miles on a fill of Royal Purple synthetic.
I got exactly the same result again with with the drain-plug and the filter.
 From the pan I got about a half-dozen chips
  about 0.020 x 0.020 x way thinner than I can get ahold of. Maybe 0.002 
or 0.003.

This all seemed pretty OK to me.
I think the flakes were one-time sharp edges left from the machine-work.

So - am I delusional guys?
Comments please, I can take it.
dave

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 21:17:23 -0800
From: dave londry <davel at emspace.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned
To: detomaso at poca.com
Message-ID: <51148A63.2060408 at emspace.com>
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Geez - you must have hit that chimney really hard.
dave

On 07/02/2013 6:51 PM, Sean Korb wrote:
> What are your past tense cars?  I made a list at http://spkorb.org/cars.html
>
> Chronological to first drive or possession
>
> 1969 850 Fiat Spider 900cc
> Towed away by the city after having its wheels stolen.
> 1973 Plymouth Scamp 3.7L
> Drove it to the junkyard after failing to fix upper control arm bushing
> 1973 Plymouth Satellite 5.3L
> Drove it until the oil cooked. Lost oil pressure and timing chain
> 1974 Dodge Dart 3.7L
> Drove it until the oil cooked. Stripped distributor gear.
> 1970 Ford LTD 5.8L
> Extracted the motor for the Mustang
> 1967 Ford Mustang Coupe 5.8L
> Lost oil pressure and threw a rod spectacularly. Towed away by the city.
> 1969 Ford Mustang GT Sports Roof 5.0L
> Best car of the lot. Frame got too tired and broke after I ran into a curb
> 1969 Ford Mustang Coupe 3.1L
> Parts car for the GT
> 1979 Ford Fairmount 4cylinder 2.3L
> Tree jumped in front of me
> 1985 Honda CB650 Nighthawk 650cc
> Sold it and was hooned by next owner
> 1970 VW Microbus 1.3L
> Sold for college money
> 1970 VW Microbus 1.6L
> Sold for college money
> 1984 Honda V45 Magna 750cc
> Sold for college money
> 1975 Chevrolet Monza Towne Coupe 5.7L
> Chimney fell on it. Sold for 2 4 packs of Guiness.
> 1988 Chevrolet Sprint 1.0L
> Gave it back to previous owner
> 1980 CB750
> Sold to a couple of kids
> CB1000
> Sold to an adult
> 1991 Toyota MR2
> Had a bad experience. Sold to Autocrosser
> 1998 Linclon Mk VIII LSC
> Had a good experience. Sold to CarMax
>

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 05:21:29 +0000 (UTC)
From: shawkins777 at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned
To: "forum, Pantera" <detomaso at poca.com>
Message-ID:
	<1054628891.936152.1360300889237.JavaMail.root at sz0134a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

1950 Ford Tudor coupe, flathead V8 and 3 speed on the column. 
1962 Doge Dart, straight 6, automatic pushbutton transmission, a tank that you 
couldn't tear up. 
1969 Open Kadete, 4 cylinder, 4 speed manual, slow as hell but you could get 
twelve high school kids in it. 
1970 Dodge Dart, V8, automatic. 
1972 Mercury Montego, 351C, automatic. wish I still had this one. 
1971 Lincoln Contenental Mark IV, 460 ford tank. 
1969 Honda Civic, 4 cylinder 4 speed. Top speed of 99mph with a tail wind. 
1985 Pontiac Bonneville, 8 cylinder, 3 speed auto. 
1986 Chevrolet Caprice Station Wagon, V8 hydraulic brake booster. 
1991 Ford E150 Custom van, 302, 3 speed with OD. Put many vacation miles on this 
baby. 
1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, Twin turbo V6, all wheel steering and all wheel 
drive. Car was fast especially in the turns. Would be a good track car. 
1972 Detomaso Pantera, 351C upgraded to a 411 IR EFI. 
1996 Chevrolet Camaro. V6, auto overdrive. 
1968 Ford Mustang GT Fastback, 302 with automatic overdrive with rack and pinion 
steering. 
2008 Hyundai Veracruz, V6 Automatic 6 speed, loaded with everything, maybe best 
car I've owned. 
2009 Pontiac Solstice GXP hardtop coupe, one of only 230 made like it. 
2001 Pontiac Firebird, V6 Automatic overdrive, larger wheels and tires. 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com> 
To: spkorb at gmail.com, detomaso at poca.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:38:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned 

We've done this before, and I liked it then too. 

67 Cougar, 289 automatic, white, very straight, rear ended by a drunk on 
the 8th day of ownership 
68 Mustang, 302 automatic, switched to top loader after burning up 3 
automatics, used that car up 
84 Mustang GT Turbo, strangely that's one I really miss, great commuter, 
plus plenty of grunt for passing, traded it in on the 93 Cobra 
93 Mustang Cobra, Red, Vortech, I would still have it today if the punks 
wouldn't have kept stealing it. 
67 Mustang Fastback, 289 then 428 2x4s, 5 speed in white/blue GT500 trim, 
too loud, extremely fast 
97 Mustang Cobra, hated that car, lots of power, but it felt like a Toyota 
72 Pantera, favorite so far 
01 Viper GTS ACR, Sapphire Blue 

-- 
Will 

On 2/7/13 9:51 PM, "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: 

>What are your past tense cars? I made a list at 
>http://spkorb.org/cars.html 
> 
>Chronological to first drive or possession 
> 
>1969 850 Fiat Spider 900cc 
>Towed away by the city after having its wheels stolen. 
>1973 Plymouth Scamp 3.7L 
>Drove it to the junkyard after failing to fix upper control arm bushing 
>1973 Plymouth Satellite 5.3L 
>Drove it until the oil cooked. Lost oil pressure and timing chain 
>1974 Dodge Dart 3.7L 
>Drove it until the oil cooked. Stripped distributor gear. 
>1970 Ford LTD 5.8L 
>Extracted the motor for the Mustang 
>1967 Ford Mustang Coupe 5.8L 
>Lost oil pressure and threw a rod spectacularly. Towed away by the city. 
>1969 Ford Mustang GT Sports Roof 5.0L 
>Best car of the lot. Frame got too tired and broke after I ran into a curb 
>1969 Ford Mustang Coupe 3.1L 
>Parts car for the GT 
>1979 Ford Fairmount 4cylinder 2.3L 
>Tree jumped in front of me 
>1985 Honda CB650 Nighthawk 650cc 
>Sold it and was hooned by next owner 
>1970 VW Microbus 1.3L 
>Sold for college money 
>1970 VW Microbus 1.6L 
>Sold for college money 
>1984 Honda V45 Magna 750cc 
>Sold for college money 
>1975 Chevrolet Monza Towne Coupe 5.7L 
>Chimney fell on it. Sold for 2 4 packs of Guiness. 
>1988 Chevrolet Sprint 1.0L 
>Gave it back to previous owner 
>1980 CB750 
>Sold to a couple of kids 
>CB1000 
>Sold to an adult 
>1991 Toyota MR2 
>Had a bad experience. Sold to Autocrosser 
>1998 Linclon Mk VIII LSC 
>Had a good experience. Sold to CarMax 
> 
>-- 
>Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org 
>'65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 
>"The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller 
>"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso 
>_______________________________________________ 
> 
>Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA 
> 
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 05:28:59 +0000 (UTC)
From: shawkins777 at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned corrected
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----- Original Message -----
From: shawkins777 at comcast.net 
To: "Pantera forum" <detomaso at poca.com> 
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 11:21:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned 

1950 Ford Tudor coupe, flathead V8 and 3 speed on the column. 
1962 Doge Dart, straight 6, automatic pushbutton transmission, a tank that you 
couldn't tear up. 
1969 Opal Kadete, 4 cylinder, 4 speed manual, slow as hell but you could get 
twelve high school kids in it. 
1970 Dodge Dart, V8, automatic. 
1972 Mercury Montego, 351C, automatic. wish I still had this one. 
1971 Lincoln Contenental Mark IV, 460 ford tank. 
1969 Honda Civic, 4 cylinder 4 speed. Top speed of 99mph with a tail wind. 
1985 Pontiac Bonneville, 8 cylinder, 3 speed auto. 
1986 Chevrolet Caprice Station Wagon, V8 hydraulic brake booster. 
1991 Ford E150 Custom van, 302, 3 speed with OD. Put many vacation miles on this 
baby. 
1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, Twin turbo V6, all wheel steering and all wheel 
drive. Car was fast especially in the turns. Would be a good track car. 
1972 Detomaso Pantera, 351C upgraded to a 411 IR EFI. 
1996 Chevrolet Camaro. V6, auto overdrive. 
1968 Ford Mustang GT Fastback, 302 with automatic overdrive with rack and pinion 
steering. 
2008 Hyundai Veracruz, V6 Automatic 6 speed, loaded with everything, maybe best 
car I've owned. 
2009 Pontiac Solstice GXP hardtop coupe, one of only 230 made like it. 
2001 Pontiac Firebird, V6 Automatic overdrive, larger wheels and tires. 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com> 
To: spkorb at gmail.com, detomaso at poca.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:38:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned 

We've done this before, and I liked it then too. 

67 Cougar, 289 automatic, white, very straight, rear ended by a drunk on 
the 8th day of ownership 
68 Mustang, 302 automatic, switched to top loader after burning up 3 
automatics, used that car up 
84 Mustang GT Turbo, strangely that's one I really miss, great commuter, 
plus plenty of grunt for passing, traded it in on the 93 Cobra 
93 Mustang Cobra, Red, Vortech, I would still have it today if the punks 
wouldn't have kept stealing it. 
67 Mustang Fastback, 289 then 428 2x4s, 5 speed in white/blue GT500 trim, 
too loud, extremely fast 
97 Mustang Cobra, hated that car, lots of power, but it felt like a Toyota 
72 Pantera, favorite so far 
01 Viper GTS ACR, Sapphire Blue 

-- 
Will 

On 2/7/13 9:51 PM, "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: 

>What are your past tense cars? I made a list at 
>http://spkorb.org/cars.html 
> 
>Chronological to first drive or possession 
> 
>1969 850 Fiat Spider 900cc 
>Towed away by the city after having its wheels stolen. 
>1973 Plymouth Scamp 3.7L 
>Drove it to the junkyard after failing to fix upper control arm bushing 
>1973 Plymouth Satellite 5.3L 
>Drove it until the oil cooked. Lost oil pressure and timing chain 
>1974 Dodge Dart 3.7L 
>Drove it until the oil cooked. Stripped distributor gear. 
>1970 Ford LTD 5.8L 
>Extracted the motor for the Mustang 
>1967 Ford Mustang Coupe 5.8L 
>Lost oil pressure and threw a rod spectacularly. Towed away by the city. 
>1969 Ford Mustang GT Sports Roof 5.0L 
>Best car of the lot. Frame got too tired and broke after I ran into a curb 
>1969 Ford Mustang Coupe 3.1L 
>Parts car for the GT 
>1979 Ford Fairmount 4cylinder 2.3L 
>Tree jumped in front of me 
>1985 Honda CB650 Nighthawk 650cc 
>Sold it and was hooned by next owner 
>1970 VW Microbus 1.3L 
>Sold for college money 
>1970 VW Microbus 1.6L 
>Sold for college money 
>1984 Honda V45 Magna 750cc 
>Sold for college money 
>1975 Chevrolet Monza Towne Coupe 5.7L 
>Chimney fell on it. Sold for 2 4 packs of Guiness. 
>1988 Chevrolet Sprint 1.0L 
>Gave it back to previous owner 
>1980 CB750 
>Sold to a couple of kids 
>CB1000 
>Sold to an adult 
>1991 Toyota MR2 
>Had a bad experience. Sold to Autocrosser 
>1998 Linclon Mk VIII LSC 
>Had a good experience. Sold to CarMax 
> 
>-- 
>Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org 
>'65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 
>"The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller 
>"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso 
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 01:07:26 -0500 (EST)
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned
To: spkorb at gmail.com, detomaso at poca.com
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In a message dated 2/7/13 18 52 6, spkorb at gmail.com writes:

> Chronological to first drive or possession
> 

1986 Kawasaki 600 Ninja
Still own it.   Let it sit for ten years due to an engine miss; later 
discovered to be a bad plug wire.   Got it going again, have ridden it only a 
few 
times in the past couple of years.   Now down again for another engine 
miss.   Probably another plug wire.

1982 Kawasaki GPz1100.   
Still own it.   Bought it with 3400 miles on it in 1988, put another 90K 
miles on it and flat-out wore out the engine.   In fall of 1998, gave the 
engine to Doug Deryke (Jack's son) for an engine rebuild that was to take 30 
days.   Life got in the way over there, got it back fully rebuilt seven years 
later.   Slid it into the frame, life got in the way over here, still waiting 
to finish assembly.   Hoping to get it on the road (with a checkbook) in 
the next couple of months.   

1972 De Tomaso Pantera
Still own it.   Paid $13K for it, lost count of how much more I've invested 
since, but certainly well over $50K.   Value today?   Priceless.

1983 Kawasaki KZ1000R Eddie Lawson Replica.   
Still own it.   Very rare and desirable collector's item; I spotted it 
languishing outside a shack in Enid, Oklahoma, and bought it for only $1400 in 
1990.   It needed a full restoration although it ran great.   I blew it to 
pieces in 1995 and sent every black component (frame, swingarm, brackets etc.) 
to be powdercoated.  While the bits were there, I was handed short-notice 
orders to move to Korea.   Got the bits back, and with Mike DeRyke (Jack's 
other son), assembled the entire bike in one day, with every fastener only 
finger-tight.   The idea was that I would take it all apart again and 
reassemble it properly when I got back home in 1996.   It is still sitting, 
waiting 
its turn.

1981 VW Scirocco

Still own it.   Paid $350 for it in 1989, drove the snot out of it until it 
blew a head gasket and got stuck in a field for an engine transplant, in 
2006.   Just got done investing $5000 to get it going again and got it back a 
couple of weeks ago.   Today it is worth $350.   That is, if somebody was 
feeling especially generous.

1966 Shelby GT350 clone
Still own it.   Paid $10.5K for it in 1994, worked with Doug to convert to 
four-wheel disc brakes, then later rebuilt the engine.   Not long 
afterwards, Mad Dog was riding with me when the air cleaner stud snapped and 
fell into 
the #8 cylinder, making Expensive Noises.   Gary Roys flew out on vacation 
and we rebuilt the engine again in my garage.   Shipped it to England in 
2004, spent two years driving it all over Europe, then shipped it to Gary in 
Detroit for a six-month restoration.   After the engine builder stole $6000 
from me (and compared to many other people, including several Pantera guys, I 
got away lucky), eventually we gave up and I paid another guy for another 
engine.   Seven years passed before it came home, almost exactly a year ago.   
It needs about four days work to be complete.   So far I have only devoted 
about two hours to the task.   Hoping to get it sorted shortly before or 
after the Fun Rally.   The only sound financial investment I've made (other 
than the ELR mentioned above), as it's probably worth $40-45K now.

1966 Contemporary 427 Cobra replica
Still own it.   Bought it while living in Korea in 1995.   Drove it for 
three days, handed the keys to Doug to look after it for me, and headed back to 
Korea.   I wasn't even there yet when the car fell apart from under 
him--rear A-arm broke due to defective weld.   Car was laid up for a couple of 
years while it got sorted with no insurance involvement, as the manufacturer 
took responsibility and said they would pay for all damages.   A year into 
negotiations I got replacement parts, I then paid to have the bodywork repaired, 

and just as the paint was drying, manufacturer went bankrupt, leaving me 
stuck with the repair bill.   Engine never really worked as advertised; it 
went to Detroit where Gary supervised its overhaul.   The aforementioned engine 
builder/thief was still in business and doing good work at that time, and 
built a fantastic engine.   Got it back home and drove it and enjoyed it for 
years.   A year ago, was driving in the mountains in the middle of the night 
and apparently spun a bearing.   Turns out it had an oil leak and the 
dipstick lies.   When I would pull it to check, it always showed full.   After 
it 
blew up, it still showed full, until I turned it over, and it was dry as a 
bone on the other side.  Expensive lesson learned.   Now sitting in a 
corner, waiting its turn to get fixed.   I'm hoping I can get away with turning 
the crank and oversize bearings, but I'm preparing for the worst.   427 side
oiler repairs might not be cheap.   The car is worth about $15-20K more than I 
paid for it, but then again, I've probably spent $15K on repairs and etc. 
so I'm about even on that deal.

1980 VW Scirocco GTi
Still own it.   Found it abandoned at Travis AFB, and (long story short) 
bought it for $35, just because I wanted the wheels.   Got it home, discovered 
it was (despite its horrible appearance) a pretty good car.   Yanked the 
seats and sold them for $400, and replaced with factory Recaro seats purchased 
from the junkyard for $50.   Had a used 1.8 liter engine installed, and a 
few other things done, and it has been serving me well ever since, as both a 
'truck' and a track-day car.   Best money I ever spent in my life.

1981 VW Scirocco S
Still own it.   Helped a friend from Chicago buy this car in San Francisco; 
he took it to Seattle and used it as his airport car (he lived in Chicago 
but his Air Force Reserve gig was in Seattle).   Somebody gave him a Volvo 
850 Wagon for a dollar, and since he had three babies at the time, it was a 
better car for him.   He made me a deal I couldn't refuse, and it came back 
here.   It also got a new engine, lots of trick suspension and brake goodies, 
runs like a top, fast, fun to drive.   

2001 Honda XR250R
Still own it.   Finally woke up to the fact that I had been riding 
motorcycles since 1986 but never rode a dirt bike.   Dumb.   Fixed this problem 
by 
buying a 2001 bike with under 100 miles on it, in 2008.   Originally a 
dirt-only bike, I converted it to make it (barely) street-legal, just so I can 
ride in places like Death Valley.   Time constraints mean I only get to ride it 
2-3 times a year, but those are great days.

1981 VW Scirocco S
Still own it.   My original Scirocco was stuck in a field for six years 
with a blown head gasket, and some punk busted the turn signals to steal the 
bulbs!   I found a set of replacement turn signals for sale, and it turns out 
the guy also had a really nice Scirocco for sale.   It sort of followed me 
home.   Yes, I have four of them now.   It has the original engine, burns oil 
from one cylinder, and is much slower than the other three, but its the 
nicest of the bunch from a cosmetic perspective, and the one I normally take on 
longer journeys, as the stereo, heater, etc. all work quite well.

So, in my life I have owned seven cars and four motorcycles, and still own 
and enjoy every one.   Yes, admittedly, my garage looks like a vehicular 
Jonestown, with half my fleet down for one thing or another (usually quite 
serious) at any given time.   But I do have ambitions of having everything up 
and running again by this time next year, which will be a remarkable thing if 
I can pull it off....

Mike

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 01:07:29 -0500 (EST)
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wrong cam with Webers....
To: will.kooiman at gmail.com, detomaso at POCA.com
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In a message dated 2/7/13 17 58 55, will.kooiman at gmail.com writes:

> I can't imagine it getting any
> smoother with a wider lobe separation,
> 

...but it would.   At least according to Comp Cams:

http://www.compcams.com/Technical/FAQ/LSAproperties.asp

Mike

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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 06:03:31 -0500
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wrong cam with Webers....
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,	<detomaso at POCA.com>
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Come on, you know how an engine is a total package.  One thing impacts
another.

The CompCams website doesn't say anything about an IR intake.

So, it definitely does not say that a wider lobe separation will smooth out
an engine with Webers, and that's what we were talking about.
--
Will

From:  Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Date:  Friday, February 8, 2013 1:07 AM
To:  Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, <detomaso at POCA.com>
Subject:  Re: [DeTomaso] Wrong cam with Webers....

In a message dated 2/7/13 17 58 55, will.kooiman at gmail.com writes:

> I can't imagine it getting any
> smoother with a wider lobe separation,

...but it would.   At least according to Comp Cams:

http://www.compcams.com/Technical/FAQ/LSAproperties.asp

Mike

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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:55:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: cengles at cox.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wear particles.
To: davel at emspace.com, detomaso at poca.com
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Dear Dave,

               Considering your story of the engine and rebuild and 
considering the volume of schmutz that you describe on your inspections, 
my limited *amateur* opinion is that it is OK.

               How does the 377 Cleveland run?

                             Warmest regards, Chuck Engles

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:13 PM, dave londry wrote:

> Hey you engine analysts.
> I'm installing A Kevco Racing pan right now,
>   so I got to take an inventory of the contents of the pan and the 
> filter.
>
> I rebuilt this engine (377 Cleveland) last year and put 100 miles on 
> the break-in oil.
> Everything was new or newly ground but the rings.
>   I kept them because there was very little mileage on the previous 
> build,
>   (which I inherited along with some very special quality problems).
> When I changed the break-in oil,
>   I got about the volume of 2 BBs in magnetic muck on the drain-plug 
> magnet.
> It wasn't very magnetic, so I'll BS-guess and say it was less than 10% 
> steel/iron.
> I didn't recover anything when I tore the filter apart (K&N)
>   so it was probably just too well distributed for me to find.
>
> Then I put 1200 miles on a fill of Royal Purple synthetic.
> I got exactly the same result again with with the drain-plug and the 
> filter.
>  From the pan I got about a half-dozen chips
>   about 0.020 x 0.020 x way thinner than I can get ahold of. Maybe 
> 0.002 or 0.003.
>
> This all seemed pretty OK to me.
> I think the flakes were one-time sharp edges left from the 
> machine-work.
>
> So - am I delusional guys?
> Comments please, I can take it.
> dave
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:14:02 -0600
From: "B. Seib" <oldwheel at shaw.ca>
Subject: [DeTomaso]  Wrong cam with Webers....
To: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>, "Drew, Mike"
	<MikeLDrew at aol.com>,	"DetomasoList" <detomaso at poca.com>,
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Actually Will, those cams you're running have an LSA of 110, which is not
nearly as radical as LSA of 106.
The ICL for them is 106 not the LSA.

Barry

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[DeTomaso] Wrong cam with Webers....
Will Kooiman will.kooiman at gmail.com
Thu Feb 7 18:58:43 MST 2013

I have posted this before, but?

I ran my car with a CompCams 282S and currently with a 294S.

These are old school solid lifter cams with "mild rough idle" and "rough
idle" descriptions.  I don't have the specs handy, but they are on a
106deg lobe separation and they have a lot of overlap.

My car had the usual mean Pantera idle with a Holley.  When I switched to
Webers, the idle completely smoothed out.  I can't imagine it getting any
smoother with a wider lobe separation, and to be honest I don't want it
smoother.

I haven't run it hard (on a dyno) to watch the reversion, but I plan on it
once I get the car together.

My point is that I disagree that a wide LSA is needed with Webers to
smooth out the idle.  I am sure that it helps with reversion and may make
more power, but how much smoother can it get?

--
Will

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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:36:32 -0500
From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned
To: dave londry <davel at emspace.com>
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
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The chimney was coming at *me* fast!  Seriously!

It really was.  After Hurricane Fran in 1996 I went outside and saw my
car pummeled with bricks.  I thought the frat house next door was
having a go at my car but my roommate pointed up to the next door
neighbor.

I should have sued the pants off of him but.. the car was worth about
$300 bucks and had $3000 woth of body damage.  It was academic.  I
still raced it until 2001.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:17 AM, dave londry <davel at emspace.com> wrote:
> Geez - you must have hit that chimney really hard.
> dave
>
> On 07/02/2013 6:51 PM, Sean Korb wrote:
>> What are your past tense cars?  I made a list at http://spkorb.org/cars.html
>>
>> Chronological to first drive or possession
>>
>> 1969 850 Fiat Spider 900cc
>> Towed away by the city after having its wheels stolen.
>> 1973 Plymouth Scamp 3.7L
>> Drove it to the junkyard after failing to fix upper control arm bushing
>> 1973 Plymouth Satellite 5.3L
>> Drove it until the oil cooked. Lost oil pressure and timing chain
>> 1974 Dodge Dart 3.7L
>> Drove it until the oil cooked. Stripped distributor gear.
>> 1970 Ford LTD 5.8L
>> Extracted the motor for the Mustang
>> 1967 Ford Mustang Coupe 5.8L
>> Lost oil pressure and threw a rod spectacularly. Towed away by the city.
>> 1969 Ford Mustang GT Sports Roof 5.0L
>> Best car of the lot. Frame got too tired and broke after I ran into a curb
>> 1969 Ford Mustang Coupe 3.1L
>> Parts car for the GT
>> 1979 Ford Fairmount 4cylinder 2.3L
>> Tree jumped in front of me
>> 1985 Honda CB650 Nighthawk 650cc
>> Sold it and was hooned by next owner
>> 1970 VW Microbus 1.3L
>> Sold for college money
>> 1970 VW Microbus 1.6L
>> Sold for college money
>> 1984 Honda V45 Magna 750cc
>> Sold for college money
>> 1975 Chevrolet Monza Towne Coupe 5.7L
>> Chimney fell on it. Sold for 2 4 packs of Guiness.
>> 1988 Chevrolet Sprint 1.0L
>> Gave it back to previous owner
>> 1980 CB750
>> Sold to a couple of kids
>> CB1000
>> Sold to an adult
>> 1991 Toyota MR2
>> Had a bad experience. Sold to Autocrosser
>> 1998 Linclon Mk VIII LSC
>> Had a good experience. Sold to CarMax
>>
>
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'65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
"The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
"Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso

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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:46:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned
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 1967 Ford Galaxy four door, 390, automatic.  Was given mom's old car to drive 
in high school (so I could give my younger brother and sister a ride to school).  
I would fantasize how I would hop the car up by jacking up the rear end, putting 
on crager wheels, putting on a fake hood scoop, and putting those big billboard 
decals on the rear quarter panels that said FORD.  All I ever got done was 
putting on a set of K-Mart hood pins, a Thrush muffler and a steering wheel 
cover.

1964 Ford Galaxy 500XL convertible, 352, automatic.  This was another mom 
hand-me-down the second year of college.  My parents moved from Nebraska to 
Chicago, so I needed a way to get back and forth from the University of Nebr.  I 
was hot stuff amongst my dormies having a convertible with bucket seats and a 
console.   Got a ticket the first week after getting back to school because both 
mufflers were rusted out.   Loved that car.  The truck was big enough to carry 
everything I owned (which wasn't much) back and forth from NE to CHI for the two 
years I drove the car.

1973 Ford Galaxy four door.  This car was a tank.   My dad got it from a friend 
that used it as a company car, so it had low miles and was a like new car.   
This car got me through the rest of my college days.  

1978 Datsun 280Z.  Right after I got the job offer letter from a company I 
applied to during career week my senior year I went out and bought a brand new Z 
car.   This was 6 weeks before I even graduated.  A friend that went to school 
with me but quit to join the railroad bought a 1976 Z which he would drive when 
he came back for parties and he planted the seed.  Drove that car for four 
years.

1980 Mazda RX-7.  Traded the Z in for this brand new car.  After two days, I 
went back to the dealer to get my old car back but received the hard lesson on 
how much a car depreciates once it leaves the lot.  Ended up keeping the car and 
came to love it.  Joined the SCCA and autocrossed the car for four years.   Even 
bought an aftermarket back seat (which replaced the storage bins) so I could 
take my sons to daycare.  Put a fiberglass air dam with driving lights on the 
car which made it look cool.  BTW it was during a street autocross where Ed Poss 
and Bob Woodward brought their Panteras that I decided to start looking to find 
a Pantera.

1980 Honda CB750K (still own it).  Bought this motorcycle new from the dealer in 
82.  Shortly after getting the bike I started having kids and the opportunities 
to ride were far and few between.  Bike just sat in the garage for years and 
years.  After 17 years, the kids were in high school, and I decided to start 
riding it again (it only had 8,000 miles on it).  Had the carbs cleaned and it 
ran perfect.  Other than new tires and batteries, the bike is original and it 
only has 15,000 miles on it.

1973 Euro Pantera GTS (still own it).  Bought the car from a guy that was 
trailing the car to sell but got into an accident.  The car wasn't tied down in 
the trailer and slid around and bent some sheet metal.  Had the car restored and 
still enjoying it today.  Sold the RX-7 after getting this car.

1980's Olds Cutlass.  Bought this as a beater car to get back and forth to work.  
Looked like sh*t but was very dependable.  Don't think I ever washed it in the 
two years I drove it.

1986 Porsche 944 Turbo (still own it).  Sold the Olds and bought this Porsche 
used after getting a promotion at work (notice I never bought a new vehicle 
after I learned my depreciation lesson after buying the Mazda).  Fell in love 
with this car.  Great gas mileage, good power, great handling, comfortable on 
long trips, even used the back seat to transport the boys.  I ended up getting 
the car repainted in the early 2000s and had the motor rebuilt in 2003.  Car 
looks new and drives perfect.

1996 Ford Ranger pickup (still own it).  Inherited this from my stepdad when he 
died.  Never had a pickup before and now I can't imagine how I'd get along 
without one.   Truck was beat up enough that you don't care what you throw in 
the back or if it gets scratched.  Truck has 187K miles and shows no signs of 
dying.  Always thought I'd look for a econobox when it conks out but not sure 
that day will ever come.

1971 Mach 1 Mustang (still own it).  This was my last vehicle purchase.  Bought 
it 5 years ago because I always wanted a Mustang.  Wanted a 1970, but the prices 
were too high so I settled on a 1971.  These cars came out when I was in high 
school and I always liked the body style.  I've had fun fixing it up and taking 
it to car shows.  This is the only car I own with an automatic transmission, 
which is a nice change of pace from clutching all the time.  The mustang shows 
up in one of the photos I have on the registry.

Tom
#5186 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:52 pm
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned

What are your past tense cars?  I made a list at http://spkorb.org/cars.html

Chronological to first drive or possession

1969 850 Fiat Spider 900cc
Towed away by the city after having its wheels stolen.
1973 Plymouth Scamp 3.7L
Drove it to the junkyard after failing to fix upper control arm bushing
1973 Plymouth Satellite 5.3L
Drove it until the oil cooked. Lost oil pressure and timing chain
1974 Dodge Dart 3.7L
Drove it until the oil cooked. Stripped distributor gear.
1970 Ford LTD 5.8L
Extracted the motor for the Mustang
1967 Ford Mustang Coupe 5.8L
Lost oil pressure and threw a rod spectacularly. Towed away by the city.
1969 Ford Mustang GT Sports Roof 5.0L
Best car of the lot. Frame got too tired and broke after I ran into a curb
1969 Ford Mustang Coupe 3.1L
Parts car for the GT
1979 Ford Fairmount 4cylinder 2.3L
Tree jumped in front of me
1985 Honda CB650 Nighthawk 650cc
Sold it and was hooned by next owner
1970 VW Microbus 1.3L
Sold for college money
1970 VW Microbus 1.6L
Sold for college money
1984 Honda V45 Magna 750cc
Sold for college money
1975 Chevrolet Monza Towne Coupe 5.7L
Chimney fell on it. Sold for 2 4 packs of Guiness.
1988 Chevrolet Sprint 1.0L
Gave it back to previous owner
1980 CB750
Sold to a couple of kids
CB1000
Sold to an adult
1991 Toyota MR2
Had a bad experience. Sold to Autocrosser
1998 Linclon Mk VIII LSC
Had a good experience. Sold to CarMax

-- 
Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
'65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
"The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
"Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 10:37:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd:  NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned
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 My apologies to Bob Woodhouse (not Woodward as I incorrectly stated).  

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Sent: Fri, Feb 8, 2013 8:46 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC (mostly): Cars you have owned