[DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
scott black
timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 22 22:50:51 EST 2011
BS.. Every major company in the world has PR people either internally or externally, or both. Just like they have lawyers. And accountants. A good PR firm does not spin, it connects with customers. That is naive thinking.
And yes, we are very up front about our clients. I have never spoken out about BJA on this forum until people started saying things that were just untrue. I have listened to the complaints and concerns, the praises and the pot shots. Always kept my mouth shut. But when people make BS statements like "everybody knows" and reference blogs that have no basis in truth, I had to speak up.
Scott
TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing
Marketing Acceleration
www.tprm-usa.com
--- On Sat, 1/22/11, Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net> wrote:
From: Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
To: "scott black" <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>, willnr at gmail.com, bflesland at gmail.com, "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 4:08 PM
Scott, with all due respect, your credibility ended with the
statement: "Yes, we are their PR firm". PR firms are, by definition, spin
doctors and BS spreaders. Entities with obvious moral and ethical scruples,
don't need someone to run interference for them. At least, you're up front
concerning your relationship with B-J.
Doug Kelm
----- Original Message -----
From:
scott
black
To: dakelm at qwest.net ; willnr at gmail.com ;
bflesland at gmail.com ; Julian
Kift
Cc: De Tomaso List
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:02
AM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson
GTS
1. That is a slanderous statement
2. That
is BS
3. Where in the world do you get such crap? Not a
CREDIBLE source
4. Yes, we are their PR firm
Its really
amazing. You guys complain for years that Pantera's don't fetch
enough at BJAC and that no one should sell them there. Then when a
couple of cars do, you don't that they really sold for those
prices. And you throw in BS about shills. What exactly do
all of you want? Really....think about it.
Scott Black
TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing
Marketing
Acceleration
www.tprm-usa.com
--- On
Fri, 1/21/11, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
From:
Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso]
Barrett Jackson GTS
To: dakelm at qwest.net, timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com,
willnr at gmail.com, bflesland at gmail.com
Cc: "De Tomaso List"
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 11:49
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It is fairly common knowledge that BJ owns many of the cars
under auction, they bid them up and the cars return to BJ's
warehouse, thus driving up prices on similar such cars. Do some
research and there is article after article on BJ's questionable
practices, like they say "there's no smoke without
fire".
> From: dakelm at qwest.net
> To:
timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com; willnr at gmail.com; bflesland at gmail.com
>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:12:35 -0600
> CC:
DeTomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson
GTS
>
> What makes you think there is no shill bidding at
B-J, or any other auction,
> for that matter. All the shill has
to do to avoid paying the commission(s)
> is to get out before
the bidding stops. Worst case, your shill ends up
> owning the
(your) car and you're out both ends of the commission,
assuming
> there is both a buyers and sellers commission. If the
bidding goes high
> enough (beyond your evaluation of your car),
you take it on down the road to
> the next auction, or sell it
privately, using the shill bid as a
> justification for the
inflated asking price.
>
> Doug Kelm
>
>
----- Original Message -----
> From: "scott black"
<timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Will Radcliffe"
<willnr at gmail.com>; "Bjoern Flesland"
>
<bflesland at gmail.com>
> Cc: "DeTomaso Archives"
<DeTomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011
8:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
>
>
> > There is no shill bidding at Barrett-Jackson.
Yes, it was a real sale at
> the all No Reserve auction.
>
>
> > Scott Black
> > TimePiece Public Relations
& Marketing
> > Marketing Acceleration
> >
www.tprm-usa.com
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri,
1/21/11, Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > From: Bjoern Flesland
<bflesland at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
Barrett Jackson GTS
> > > To: "Will Radcliffe"
<willnr at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: "DeTomaso Archives"
<DeTomaso at realbig.com>
> > > Date: Friday, January
21, 2011, 4:14 PM
> > > Interesting. Do you think
this
> > > selling price is for real?
> > >
There are lots of shill bidding and other strange things
> >
> going on at these auctions!
> > > Cheers
Bjoern
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
>
> >
> > >
> > > Den 21. jan. 2011 kl.
22:26 skrev Will Radcliffe <willnr at gmail.com>:
> >
>
> > > > Here are the details for those who missed
it:
> > > >
> > > >
>
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=952&aid=403&pop=1
>
> > >
> > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM,
Brian Hill <mazdastuff at yahoo.com>
> > >
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Well, think
we had our first surprise of the
> > > day. 74 GTS Pantera
just
> > > >> crossed
> > > >> the
block at B-J for $90,000. What
> > > recession.
>
> > >> Good grief.
> > > >>
> >
> >> Brian
> > > >>
> > >
>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
>
> > >>
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