[DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS

scott black timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 22 22:50:51 EST 2011


BS.. Every major company in the world has PR people either internally or externally, or both.  Just like they have lawyers.  And accountants.  A good PR firm does not spin, it connects with customers.  That is naive thinking.   

And yes, we are very up front about our clients. I have never spoken out about BJA on this forum until people started saying things that were just untrue.  I have listened to the complaints and concerns, the praises and the pot shots.  Always kept my mouth shut. But when people make BS statements like "everybody knows" and reference blogs that have no basis in truth, I had to speak up. 

Scott 

TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing

Marketing Acceleration

www.tprm-usa.com

--- On Sat, 1/22/11, Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net> wrote:

From: Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
To: "scott black" <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>, willnr at gmail.com, bflesland at gmail.com, "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 4:08 PM



 
Scott, with all due respect, your credibility ended with the 
statement: "Yes, we are their PR firm". PR firms are, by definition, spin 
doctors and BS spreaders. Entities with obvious moral and ethical scruples, 
don't need someone to run interference for them. At least, you're up front 
concerning your relationship with B-J.
 
Doug Kelm

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  scott 
  black 
  To: dakelm at qwest.net ; willnr at gmail.com ; 
  bflesland at gmail.com ; Julian 
  Kift 
  Cc: De Tomaso List 
  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:02 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson 
  GTS
  

  
    
    
      1.  That is a slanderous statement
2.  That 
        is BS
3.  Where in the world do you get such crap?  Not a 
        CREDIBLE source 
4.  Yes, we are their PR firm

Its really 
        amazing.  You guys complain for years that Pantera's don't fetch 
        enough at BJAC and that no one should sell them there.  Then when a 
        couple of cars do, you don't that they really sold for those 
        prices.  And you throw in BS about shills.  What exactly do 
        all of you want?  Really....think about it. 

Scott Black 
        
TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing
Marketing 
        Acceleration
www.tprm-usa.com

--- On 
        Fri, 1/21/11, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> 
        wrote:

        
From: 
          Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] 
          Barrett Jackson GTS
To: dakelm at qwest.net, timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com, 
          willnr at gmail.com, bflesland at gmail.com
Cc: "De Tomaso List" 
          <detomaso at realbig.com>
Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 11:49 
          PM


          
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          It is fairly common knowledge that BJ owns many of the cars 
          under auction, they bid them up and the cars return to BJ's 
          warehouse, thus driving up prices on similar such cars. Do some 
          research and there is article after article on BJ's questionable 
          practices, like they say "there's no smoke without 
          fire".
 
> From: dakelm at qwest.net
> To: 
          timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com; willnr at gmail.com; bflesland at gmail.com
> 
          Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:12:35 -0600
> CC: 
          DeTomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson 
          GTS
> 
> What makes you think there is no shill bidding at 
          B-J, or any other auction,
> for that matter. All the shill has 
          to do to avoid paying the commission(s)
> is to get out before 
          the bidding stops. Worst case, your shill ends up
> owning the 
          (your) car and you're out both ends of the commission, 
          assuming
> there is both a buyers and sellers commission. If the 
          bidding goes high
> enough (beyond your evaluation of your car), 
          you take it on down the road to
> the next auction, or sell it 
          privately, using the shill bid as a
> justification for the 
          inflated asking price.
> 
> Doug Kelm
> 
> 
          ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "scott black" 
          <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Will Radcliffe" 
          <willnr at gmail.com>; "Bjoern Flesland"
> 
          <bflesland at gmail.com>
> Cc: "DeTomaso Archives" 
          <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 
          8:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
> 
          
> 
> > There is no shill bidding at Barrett-Jackson. 
          Yes, it was a real sale at
> the all No Reserve auction.
> 
          >
> > Scott Black
> > TimePiece Public Relations 
          & Marketing
> > Marketing Acceleration
> > 
          www.tprm-usa.com
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 
          1/21/11, Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
          >
> > > From: Bjoern Flesland 
          <bflesland at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 
          Barrett Jackson GTS
> > > To: "Will Radcliffe" 
          <willnr at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: "DeTomaso Archives" 
          <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
> > > Date: Friday, January 
          21, 2011, 4:14 PM
> > > Interesting. Do you think 
          this
> > > selling price is for real?
> > > 
          There are lots of shill bidding and other strange things
> > 
          > going on at these auctions!
> > > Cheers 
          Bjoern
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> 
          > >
> > >
> > > Den 21. jan. 2011 kl. 
          22:26 skrev Will Radcliffe <willnr at gmail.com>:
> > 
          >
> > > > Here are the details for those who missed 
          it:
> > > >
> > > >
> 
          http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=952&aid=403&pop=1
> 
          > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM, 
          Brian Hill <mazdastuff at yahoo.com>
> > > 
          wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Well, think 
          we had our first surprise of the
> > > day. 74 GTS Pantera 
          just
> > > >> crossed
> > > >> the 
          block at B-J for $90,000. What
> > > recession.
> 
          > > >> Good grief.
> > > >>
> > 
          > >> Brian
> > > >>
> > > 
          >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> 
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