[DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS

Sat Jan 22 22:57:52 EST 2011

Kudos to Scott, well said.

Michael Shortt
On Jan 22, 2011 10:51 PM, "scott black" <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> BS.. Every major company in the world has PR people either internally or
externally, or both.  Just like they have lawyers.  And accountants.  A good
PR firm does not spin, it connects with customers.  That is naive
thinking.
>
> And yes, we are very up front about our clients. I have never spoken out
about BJA on this forum until people started saying things that were just
untrue.  I have listened to the complaints and concerns, the praises and the
pot shots.  Always kept my mouth shut. But when people make BS statements
like "everybody knows" and reference blogs that have no basis in truth, I
had to speak up.
>
> Scott
>
> TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing
>
> Marketing Acceleration
>
> www.tprm-usa.com
>
> --- On Sat, 1/22/11, Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net> wrote:
>
> From: Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
> To: "scott black" <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>, willnr at gmail.com,
bflesland at gmail.com, "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 4:08 PM
>
>
>
>
> Scott, with all due respect, your credibility ended with the
> statement: "Yes, we are their PR firm". PR firms are, by definition, spin
> doctors and BS spreaders. Entities with obvious moral and ethical
scruples,
> don't need someone to run interference for them. At least, you're up front

> concerning your relationship with B-J.
>
> Doug Kelm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> scott
> black
> To: dakelm at qwest.net ; willnr at gmail.com ;
> bflesland at gmail.com ; Julian
> Kift
> Cc: De Tomaso List
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:02
> AM
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson
> GTS
>
>
>
>
>
> 1.  That is a slanderous statement
> 2.  That
> is BS
> 3.  Where in the world do you get such crap?  Not a
> CREDIBLE source
> 4.  Yes, we are their PR firm
>
> Its really
> amazing.  You guys complain for years that Pantera's don't fetch
> enough at BJAC and that no one should sell them there.  Then when a
> couple of cars do, you don't that they really sold for those
> prices.  And you throw in BS about shills.  What exactly do
> all of you want?  Really....think about it.
>
> Scott Black
>
> TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing
> Marketing
> Acceleration
> www.tprm-usa.com
>
> --- On
> Fri, 1/21/11, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From:
> Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso]
> Barrett Jackson GTS
> To: dakelm at qwest.net, timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com,
> willnr at gmail.com, bflesland at gmail.com
> Cc: "De Tomaso List"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 11:49
> PM
>
>
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> It is fairly common knowledge that BJ owns many of the cars
> under auction, they bid them up and the cars return to BJ's
> warehouse, thus driving up prices on similar such cars. Do some
> research and there is article after article on BJ's questionable
> practices, like they say "there's no smoke without
> fire".
>
>> From: dakelm at qwest.net
>> To:
> timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com; willnr at gmail.com; bflesland at gmail.com
>>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:12:35 -0600
>> CC:
> DeTomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson
> GTS
>>
>> What makes you think there is no shill bidding at
> B-J, or any other auction,
>> for that matter. All the shill has
> to do to avoid paying the commission(s)
>> is to get out before
> the bidding stops. Worst case, your shill ends up
>> owning the
> (your) car and you're out both ends of the commission,
> assuming
>> there is both a buyers and sellers commission. If the
> bidding goes high
>> enough (beyond your evaluation of your car),
> you take it on down the road to
>> the next auction, or sell it
> privately, using the shill bid as a
>> justification for the
> inflated asking price.
>>
>> Doug Kelm
>>
>>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "scott black"
> <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Will Radcliffe"
> <willnr at gmail.com>; "Bjoern Flesland"
>>
> <bflesland at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "DeTomaso Archives"
> <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011
> 8:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
>>
>
>>
>> > There is no shill bidding at Barrett-Jackson.
> Yes, it was a real sale at
>> the all No Reserve auction.
>>
> >
>> > Scott Black
>> > TimePiece Public Relations
> & Marketing
>> > Marketing Acceleration
>> >
> www.tprm-usa.com
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Fri,
> 1/21/11, Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
> >
>> > > From: Bjoern Flesland
> <bflesland at gmail.com>
>> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
> Barrett Jackson GTS
>> > > To: "Will Radcliffe"
> <willnr at gmail.com>
>> > > Cc: "DeTomaso Archives"
> <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
>> > > Date: Friday, January
> 21, 2011, 4:14 PM
>> > > Interesting. Do you think
> this
>> > > selling price is for real?
>> > >
> There are lots of shill bidding and other strange things
>> >
> > going on at these auctions!
>> > > Cheers
> Bjoern
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my iPhone
>>
> > >
>> > >
>> > > Den 21. jan. 2011 kl.
> 22:26 skrev Will Radcliffe <willnr at gmail.com>:
>> >
> >
>> > > > Here are the details for those who missed
> it:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>>
>
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=952&aid=403&pop=1
>>
> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM,
> Brian Hill <mazdastuff at yahoo.com>
>> > >
> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Well, think
> we had our first surprise of the
>> > > day. 74 GTS Pantera
> just
>> > > >> crossed
>> > > >> the
> block at B-J for $90,000. What
>> > > recession.
>>
> > > >> Good grief.
>> > > >>
>> >
> > >> Brian
>> > > >>
>> > >
> >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>>
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