[DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS

Will Demelo wdemelo at cogeco.ca
Sat Jan 22 19:23:26 EST 2011


All, can we drop the BJ thread?
Will
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm at qwest.net>
To: "scott black" <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>; <willnr at gmail.com>; 
<bflesland at gmail.com>; "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS


> Scott, with all due respect, your credibility ended with the statement: 
> "Yes, we are their PR firm". PR firms are, by definition, spin doctors and 
> BS spreaders. Entities with obvious moral and ethical scruples, don't need 
> someone to run interference for them. At least, you're up front concerning 
> your relationship with B-J.
>
> Doug Kelm
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: scott black
>  To: dakelm at qwest.net ; willnr at gmail.com ; bflesland at gmail.com ; Julian 
> Kift
>  Cc: De Tomaso List
>  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:02 AM
>  Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
>
>
>        1.  That is a slanderous statement
>        2.  That is BS
>        3.  Where in the world do you get such crap?  Not a CREDIBLE source
>        4.  Yes, we are their PR firm
>
>        Its really amazing.  You guys complain for years that Pantera's 
> don't fetch enough at BJAC and that no one should sell them there.  Then 
> when a couple of cars do, you don't that they really sold for those 
> prices.  And you throw in BS about shills.  What exactly do all of you 
> want?  Really....think about it.
>
>        Scott Black
>        TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing
>        Marketing Acceleration
>        www.tprm-usa.com
>
>        --- On Fri, 1/21/11, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>          From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>          Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
>          To: dakelm at qwest.net, timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com, willnr at gmail.com, 
> bflesland at gmail.com
>          Cc: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>          Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 11:49 PM
>
>
>          It is fairly common knowledge that BJ owns many of the cars under 
> auction, they bid them up and the cars return to BJ's warehouse, thus 
> driving up prices on similar such cars. Do some research and there is 
> article after article on BJ's questionable practices, like they say 
> "there's no smoke without fire".
>
>          > From: dakelm at qwest.net
>          > To: timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com; willnr at gmail.com; 
> bflesland at gmail.com
>          > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:12:35 -0600
>          > CC: DeTomaso at realbig.com
>          > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
>          >
>          > What makes you think there is no shill bidding at B-J, or any 
> other auction,
>          > for that matter. All the shill has to do to avoid paying the 
> commission(s)
>          > is to get out before the bidding stops. Worst case, your shill 
> ends up
>          > owning the (your) car and you're out both ends of the 
> commission, assuming
>          > there is both a buyers and sellers commission. If the bidding 
> goes high
>          > enough (beyond your evaluation of your car), you take it on 
> down the road to
>          > the next auction, or sell it privately, using the shill bid as 
> a
>          > justification for the inflated asking price.
>          >
>          > Doug Kelm
>          >
>          > ----- Original Message ----- 
>          > From: "scott black" <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
>          > To: "Will Radcliffe" <willnr at gmail.com>; "Bjoern Flesland"
>          > <bflesland at gmail.com>
>          > Cc: "DeTomaso Archives" <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
>          > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:49 PM
>          > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
>          >
>          >
>          > > There is no shill bidding at Barrett-Jackson. Yes, it was a 
> real sale at
>          > the all No Reserve auction.
>          > >
>          > > Scott Black
>          > > TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing
>          > > Marketing Acceleration
>          > > www.tprm-usa.com
>          > >
>          > >
>          > > --- On Fri, 1/21/11, Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>          > >
>          > > > From: Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com>
>          > > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
>          > > > To: "Will Radcliffe" <willnr at gmail.com>
>          > > > Cc: "DeTomaso Archives" <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
>          > > > Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 4:14 PM
>          > > > Interesting. Do you think this
>          > > > selling price is for real?
>          > > > There are lots of shill bidding and other strange things
>          > > > going on at these auctions!
>          > > > Cheers Bjoern
>          > > >
>          > > > Sent from my iPhone
>          > > >
>          > > >
>          > > > Den 21. jan. 2011 kl. 22:26 skrev Will Radcliffe 
> <willnr at gmail.com>:
>          > > >
>          > > > > Here are the details for those who missed it:
>          > > > >
>          > > > >
>          > 
> http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=952&aid=403&pop=1
>          > > > >
>          > > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Brian Hill 
> <mazdastuff at yahoo.com>
>          > > > wrote:
>          > > > >
>          > > > >> Well, think we had our first surprise of the
>          > > > day. 74 GTS Pantera just
>          > > > >> crossed
>          > > > >> the block at B-J for $90,000. What
>          > > > recession.
>          > > > >> Good grief.
>          > > > >>
>          > > > >> Brian
>          > > > >>
>          > > > >>
>          > > > >>
>          > > > >>
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