[DeTomaso] Sad day for a Norvegian owner

Sun May 16 12:11:20 EDT 2010

One problem that may arise is that the participants should know that the
organizers really paid its part and is connected to the "motor sports
association", since this is not statutory, but over time have worked
anyway with serious organizers. So you can not just come to an event and
"attend", it can if the organizer is unserious pose problems for the
participant.

Moost protection is about what we in Sweden call "the third person", which
could be a child gettinhg hitt by a car.
Goran

> Le Mans Classic : see the list of participating cars on
> http://www.lemansclassic.com/userfiles/pdfs/LMC_2010_liste_des_engages.pdf
> Pat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>
> To: "Patrick Hals" <patrickhals at skynet.be>
> Cc: "Jørn C. Olsen" <joernco at online.no>; <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>;
> <detomaso at realbig.com>; "DUBOIS Claude" <claudeduboisbelgium at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Sad day for a Norvegian owner
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> The racing thing is strictly regulated in Sweden, and one better take part
> of this before even think of arranging a race. They specify what a race
> is, they specify who is responsible from the track owner to the orginizer.
> And last but not least what is on the sholder of the one that drives the
> car.
> There is an insurance in the form of the racing licens, or if you not have
> such license, a "one time licens" is to be had. The insurance is NOT on
> the car as a normal insurance, it is about taking part in the TRACK
> insurance.
>
> Goran
>
>
>
>> I agree with all the comments.
>> I also understand that insurance aspect, but it is a bit hypocritic,
>> isn't
>> it ? Either you are taking driving lessons, ( which I should do,
>> according
>> to Mike Drew :>)) or getting to know your car under the wet ( which
>> everyone
>> should do, with or without a Pantera...) or you are speeding, and trying
>> to
>> make a decent lap time...
>> I have NO insurance whatsoever on Candy ( which is worth some money, as
>> everyone may guess.... ) . After all, may be "not to be insured" is MY
>> best
>> insurance , because I know I will take the bill if I hit... That makes
>> me
>> cool down immediately ( however when you are in the Mulsanne straight at
>> Le
>> Mans, you have no time to think of insurance, believe me !)
>> I remember missing the apex at Tertre Rouge in Le Mans Classic 2006 with
>> the
>> Warhol car, and have the two left wheels in the gravels, and the two
>> right
>> wheels on the extreme outside limit of the rumble strips at 100 MPH if
>> not
>> more, just before entering the Mulsanne straight. No time to be afraid,
>> it
>> was just for one very small second maybe, no more, but, Jeeeez, I was
>> PISSED
>> AT ME  like you have no idea ! I could have ruined my car totally !
>> See Vic Elford's comments in his GT40. Today, Candy has 100 HP
>> more...and
>> much better tyres
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmA01dUhdPY&feature=related
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jørn C. Olsen" <joernco at online.no>
>> To: <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>; "'Patrick Hals'" <patrickhals at skynet.be>
>> Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:44 PM
>> Subject: SV: [DeTomaso] Sad day for a Norvegian owner
>>
>>
>> Track days can become a problem for the car owner if he has an accident.
>> Here in Norway they define it as a driving skill training and then the
>> normal insurance counts.
>> But the catch is that the traffic regulations is in effect so of you
>> have
>> an
>> accident the insurance companies can investigate you for reckless
>> driving
>> and have you claim denied.  Some insurance companies also have it with
>> small
>> letters in your insurance agreement that insurance is not in effect on
>> tracks and they also specify not in effect when driving on Nürburgring
>> Northsliefe.
>>
>> J.C.
>>
>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>> Fra: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>> På
>> vegne av hemipanter at hemipanter.se
>> Sendt: 16. mai 2010 14:13
>> Til: Patrick Hals
>> Kopi: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Sad day for a Norvegian owner
>>
>> I agree, I recognise that the thing with people getting suspicious
>> during
>> the initial driving point in the direction of that the driver is not
>> having things under control. But this is also something the people that
>> let him out on the track have to take part of.
>> We have recently had a discussion in the board about arranging a "soft
>> race" for the Pantera people, an I did notify the other members of the
>> Board about regulations that apply to racing and insurance. It is very
>> easy that an arangement is made without the necessary precautions.
>> Goran
>>
>>
>>> It is very sad, but unfortunately, not too much of a surprize to me...
>>> when
>>> I read the translation.( providing the original comments are accurate,
>>> which
>>> is not even sure when I read the end....) and Jorn's comments  " a
>>> training
>>> facility for secure driving, winter driving, wet conditions.
>>> Dangerous track because big rigs, busses and road cars often spil gas
>>> or
>>> diesel in corners. "
>>>
>>> First, I would NEVER EVER drive any P ( a fortiori a fast P with 500
>>> HP)
>>> on
>>> a circuit that is not 100 % safe, i.e. large ( if not very large)
>>> escape
>>> lanes, like on FIA Formula one tracks ( with the exception of Monaco ),
>>> and
>>> not overrun by buses and street cars, and why not, Massey Ferguson
>>> tractors
>>> or Mack trucks... which are leaving oil spills, mud, gravels, or
>>> whatever
>>> dirt... It is obviosuly a circuit that needs to be taken with respect,
>>> for
>>> secure driving, not speed and get a great lap time
>>> Second, if the car does not handle well, or if I suspect ANYTHING
>>> going
>>> wrong, I would go right back to the pits, at slow speed, ...  don't
>>> puch
>>> your luck, the car is damn quick ! Apparently, the driver already had
>>> problems keeping the car on the track, and everyone noticed.
>>> Third : the pilot : never over-drive or think you are a top driver
>>> because
>>> you are the first to start at the red light on the street on Sat night
>>> !
>>> Always be VERY modest, wait that tyres are warm, have the correct tyre
>>> pressure, get to know the track very well ( video games make it easier
>>> when
>>> it comes to famous tracks ) and tons and tons of other things before
>>> you
>>> can
>>> consider going flat out in " safe" conditions.
>>> Bottom line : very very sad !
>>> Pat
>>>
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