[DeTomaso] Sad day for a Norvegian owner

Sun May 16 11:59:28 EDT 2010

That seems like a very good system.
There is one organizer ( in France ) who has launched this system with some 
success last year, but these are " minor" races, understand with " not so 
expensive cars".
Do you realize that the value of the cars that are competing just in Plateau 
6 ( from 1972 to 1979 ) at Le Mans Classic this year is probably exceeding 
25.000.000 euros. What about Plateau 5, ( 1966 to 1971 ) with Lolas T70 and 
several Porsche 917, or Plateau 4 ( 1962 - 1965 ) with a bunch of real race 
289 AC Cobra, several factory E Type lightweight ( 12 ever made ) , 275 and 
250 SWB Ferrari, 330 GTO's ( 43 ever made, at minimum 15.000.000 euros a 
piece today, if you find one ) ... and so on. The insurance premium would be 
just .... astronomical !
Pat
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>
To: "Patrick Hals" <patrickhals at skynet.be>
Cc: "Jørn C. Olsen" <joernco at online.no>; <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>; 
<detomaso at realbig.com>; "DUBOIS Claude" <claudeduboisbelgium at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: Sad day for a Norvegian owner

The racing thing is strictly regulated in Sweden, and one better take part
of this before even think of arranging a race. They specify what a race
is, they specify who is responsible from the track owner to the orginizer.
And last but not least what is on the sholder of the one that drives the
car.
There is an insurance in the form of the racing licens, or if you not have
such license, a "one time licens" is to be had. The insurance is NOT on
the car as a normal insurance, it is about taking part in the TRACK
insurance.

Goran

> I agree with all the comments.
> I also understand that insurance aspect, but it is a bit hypocritic, isn't
> it ? Either you are taking driving lessons, ( which I should do, according
> to Mike Drew :>)) or getting to know your car under the wet ( which
> everyone
> should do, with or without a Pantera...) or you are speeding, and trying
> to
> make a decent lap time...
> I have NO insurance whatsoever on Candy ( which is worth some money, as
> everyone may guess.... ) . After all, may be "not to be insured" is MY
> best
> insurance , because I know I will take the bill if I hit... That makes me
> cool down immediately ( however when you are in the Mulsanne straight at
> Le
> Mans, you have no time to think of insurance, believe me !)
> I remember missing the apex at Tertre Rouge in Le Mans Classic 2006 with
> the
> Warhol car, and have the two left wheels in the gravels, and the two right
> wheels on the extreme outside limit of the rumble strips at 100 MPH if not
> more, just before entering the Mulsanne straight. No time to be afraid, it
> was just for one very small second maybe, no more, but, Jeeeez, I was
> PISSED
> AT ME  like you have no idea ! I could have ruined my car totally !
> See Vic Elford's comments in his GT40. Today, Candy has 100 HP more...and
> much better tyres
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmA01dUhdPY&feature=related
> Pat
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jørn C. Olsen" <joernco at online.no>
> To: <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>; "'Patrick Hals'" <patrickhals at skynet.be>
> Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:44 PM
> Subject: SV: [DeTomaso] Sad day for a Norvegian owner
>
>
> Track days can become a problem for the car owner if he has an accident.
> Here in Norway they define it as a driving skill training and then the
> normal insurance counts.
> But the catch is that the traffic regulations is in effect so of you have
> an
> accident the insurance companies can investigate you for reckless driving
> and have you claim denied.  Some insurance companies also have it with
> small
> letters in your insurance agreement that insurance is not in effect on
> tracks and they also specify not in effect when driving on Nürburgring
> Northsliefe.
>
> J.C.
>
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] På
> vegne av hemipanter at hemipanter.se
> Sendt: 16. mai 2010 14:13
> Til: Patrick Hals
> Kopi: detomaso at realbig.com
> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Sad day for a Norvegian owner
>
> I agree, I recognise that the thing with people getting suspicious during
> the initial driving point in the direction of that the driver is not
> having things under control. But this is also something the people that
> let him out on the track have to take part of.
> We have recently had a discussion in the board about arranging a "soft
> race" for the Pantera people, an I did notify the other members of the
> Board about regulations that apply to racing and insurance. It is very
> easy that an arangement is made without the necessary precautions.
> Goran
>
>
>> It is very sad, but unfortunately, not too much of a surprize to me...
>> when
>> I read the translation.( providing the original comments are accurate,
>> which
>> is not even sure when I read the end....) and Jorn's comments  " a
>> training
>> facility for secure driving, winter driving, wet conditions.
>> Dangerous track because big rigs, busses and road cars often spil gas or
>> diesel in corners. "
>>
>> First, I would NEVER EVER drive any P ( a fortiori a fast P with 500 HP)
>> on
>> a circuit that is not 100 % safe, i.e. large ( if not very large) escape
>> lanes, like on FIA Formula one tracks ( with the exception of Monaco ),
>> and
>> not overrun by buses and street cars, and why not, Massey Ferguson
>> tractors
>> or Mack trucks... which are leaving oil spills, mud, gravels, or
>> whatever
>> dirt... It is obviosuly a circuit that needs to be taken with respect,
>> for
>> secure driving, not speed and get a great lap time
>> Second, if the car does not handle well, or if I suspect ANYTHING  going
>> wrong, I would go right back to the pits, at slow speed, ...  don't puch
>> your luck, the car is damn quick ! Apparently, the driver already had
>> problems keeping the car on the track, and everyone noticed.
>> Third : the pilot : never over-drive or think you are a top driver
>> because
>> you are the first to start at the red light on the street on Sat night !
>> Always be VERY modest, wait that tyres are warm, have the correct tyre
>> pressure, get to know the track very well ( video games make it easier
>> when
>> it comes to famous tracks ) and tons and tons of other things before you
>> can
>> consider going flat out in " safe" conditions.
>> Bottom line : very very sad !
>> Pat
>>
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