[DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
Thomas Tornblom
thomas at Hax.SE
Wed Aug 25 15:27:16 EDT 2010
Having tested two different HID-kits, I saw that the starting current
is quite high, while the running current is less than ordinary halogens.
25 aug 2010 kl. 21.04 skrev "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>:
> Boyd,
>
> Actually he wrote halogen lights which is very different from HID
> lights.
> Halogen lights draw more power (perhaps as much as twice the
> current) than
> sealed beams do.
>
> snip
>>>> Particularly with the later cars, if the owners leave them alone,
>>>> they
> are perfectly reliable as they came from the factory. Normally
> it's the
> owner modifications that introduce electrical faults--install super-
> duper
> Halogen headlights, sizzle the headlight switch. Install monster
> radiator
> fans,
> sizzle the fusebox. If you're going to modify your car
> electrically, be
> sure to do it right. And if you don't do it right, don't blame the
> car
> when
> it sputters to a stop or bursts into flame.
> eosnip
>
> Tomas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of boyd casey
> Sent: den 25 augusti 2010 05:36
> To: fastgrandma at aol.com
> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
>
>
> He may be saying this now-
>
> "My criticisms about certain Panteras don't involve aesthetic
> considerations, but rather low-class "There, I fixed it" mechanical
> hackery."
>
> But that's not what he has said in the past.
> He was critical of HID lights in his post to Peter the newbie by some
> unrelated coincidence my car has HID cats eye lights.
> Mine are far from Mechanical hackery they were made by Chris Difani
> who is
> probably one of the most skilled craftsmen on the list
> He also implied HID lights were a contributing factor to electrical
> problems and fuse box problems. The facts are that HID lights
> actually draw
> less current then sealed beam lights.( I didn't put HID lights on my
> car
> until after I installed the new fuse box.)
> He told me my choice in wheels would make my car or me "Look like a
> Ghetto
> master" or something to that effect
> He said the the fuse box is perfectly fine and adequate for the car
> But he
> has replace d his, replaced his wiring harness, modified his fan
> circuits,
> added relays and added a secondary fuse box. Why do those things if
> the fuse
> box is so good? To me that's hypocrisy.
> I'm not going to repeat every example of criticisms that have
> nothing to do
> with quality of work and everything to do with "aesthetics"
> I have a Pantera electronics fuse box. I bought it because the fuses
> with
> the exposed copper strip are antiquated and the glass tube fuses
> that made
> the fuse box some what serviceable were getting impossible for me to
> find.
> When I would slam my passenger door my lights would go out (my
> sealed beam
> lights) I had numerous and repeated electrical problems all directly
> related
> to the fuse box.
> Then My headlight relay went bad. SO Bill said he had never seen one
> fail .
> Mine did , I sent it to him to study. I replaced the relay with a
> Pantera
> electronics headlight controller. Now my headlight doors always work
> and
> with my HID lights I can actually drive at night. I did the fan relay
> installation that is outlined in the " Pantera place" web site . The
> web
> site I suggested peter the newbie familiarize himself with. Showing
> someone
> where to find the answers to their questions makes them self
> sufficent and
> helps them to actually learn about their car, instead of just being
> told how
> to fix it.
> By the way Mike gave the same advice right after I did, I told the
> guy about
> the schematics and SO Bill , so did mike, right after I did.
> He made disparaging remarks about the suggestions I made to Peter
> (with out
> mentioning my name but it was so obvious it made me sick. If you
> are going
> to be a prick be a prick to my face don't make veiled insults have
> some
> balls!.
> Last week he said the Brembo brake modification I just put on my car
> was"
> home made and hobbled together" He doesn't know anything about it.
> But he is
> knocking the work of an entire group of people and making judgemental
> statements that are baseless. The thing that bothered me was not his
> baseless opinion but the possiability that some other newbie or
> someone who
> thinks Mike Drew actually knows what he is talking about may take his
> comments seriously and that could hurt the efforts and years of work
> that
> went into this project. That's why I have said and asked repeatedly
> for him
> to stop mixing his opinions up with facts. He does know allot about
> panteras. Why not stick to the factual information and save the
> editorials
> for the peanut gallery.
> This is the last thing I am going to say about the subject. Unless
> someone
> starts making unsubstantiated, baseless, insulting, derogatory or
> racist
> comments again and portraying them as anything other then their own
> narrow
> minded opinions.
> Boyd
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:49 PM, <fastgrandma at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe your sign off reflects your knowledge.
>>
>>
>> Mke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> To: fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 6:30 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 8/24/10 9 56 27, fresnofinches at aol.com writes:
>>
>>
>>> Agreed, Mike is a bit biased to the more stock looking car. His
>>> choice.
>>> And mine.
>>>
>>>>> In my column however, you'll see that while I note that
>> Ferrari/Porsche/etc. purists look down on modified Panteras, I
> specifically
>> said
>> that *I*
>> don't, and in fact I appreciate the breadth and depth of the
>> Pantera; it's
>> what makes it completely unique.
>>
>> My criticisms about certain Panteras don't involve aesthetic
>> considerations, but rather low-class "There, I fixed it" mechanical
>> hackery.
>> For
>> instance, when I bought my car, it was rusted to shreds on the
>> right side
>> wheelhouse. You know the little hole where the parking brake cable
>> passes
>> through
>> the sheetmetal between the inside of the car, and the caliper? My
>> wheelhouse
>> had a crack completely through it, that started at that hole and
>> ran all
>> the way up to the turn signal bucket! The car was literally
>> splitting
>> apart
>> there. So Jethro 'fixed' it by getting a piece of sheetmetal
>> about the
>> size of the playing card, drilling four holes in it, then bolting
>> it on
>> either
>> side of the crack about halfway up!
>>
>> The wheelhouse tubes were completely gone for the bottom two inches
>> or so;
>> Jethro 'fixed' it by getting a piece of steel strap, about 2 inches
>> wide,
>> drilling a couple of holes, and running it between the upper A-arm
> mounting
>> bolt and the lower A-arm mounting bolt!
>>
>> The radiator fans were evidently acting up on him, so he 'fixed' it
>> by
>> bypassing the relays, and wiring each fan directly to its own 1-amp
>> (!)
>> switch
>> mounted in the bottom opening on the instrument panel. But hey,
>> they
> were
>> illuminated! When I took it apart (the day after taking
>> possession of
> the
>> car), I found the wires burned and the switches melted.
>>
>> THIS is the kind of hackery that I object to. Boyd, you can
>> criticize me
>> all you want for my stance on this particular topic, but I think
>> most will
>> agree that there are some lines, particularly mechanical lines, that
>> shouldn't be crossed.
>>
>> Aesthetics are a much more subjective thing, but I would be hard-
>> pressed
> to
>> find anybody who believes that putting fake sidepipes from the front
>> fenders, shag carpeting (to include the headliner), and an avocado
>> green
>> vinyl
>> top
>> on a Pantera is an appropriate thing to do. Again, Boyd, if you
>> choose
> to
>> go that route, knock yourself out. :>)
>>>
>>>> But the gist of his column was, as usual, worthy of endorsement.
>>>
>>>>> I'm glad you agree. I did receive numerous private e-mails from
>> various people when that column first appeared, all of which said
>> variations of
>> "Amen brother!" Boyd is the first person I know of who expresses a
>> contrary
>> view and defends those sorts of actions. But it takes all kinds, I
>> guess....
>>
>> Mke
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