[DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration

Tue Aug 3 14:54:54 EDT 2010

At one point I considered installing NACA ducts in the rear of the rocker panels to increase air flow.... it could be done realtively easily, but how much air it would provide I'm not sure.

Nathan Giles had a radical build with a roof cut out air scoop and a GT40 style front hood. IIRC it was far forward enough it avoided having to cut through the double walled structural hoop at the rear of the roof section. The car was dubbed the EX3 Pantera after his company, but it seems his website is no longer operational. It was featured in a PI article some time back.

The factory Group 5/C car had a NACA duct in the roof feeding an airbox (but this isn't exactly a standard Pantera shell)......

http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=24501

Julian

> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:21:06 -0700
> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
> To: lotus0005 at hotmail.com; rob at dumoulins.net
> CC: michael at michaelshortt.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
> 
> Could air be carried through the rocker panels?
>  
> Ken
> 
> --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com, mbefthomas at comcast.net, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 9:56 AM
> 
> 
> Placing a scoop or grill on top of the car would ruin the lines.  Maybe a
> tunnel through the middle of the windshield exiting out the back glass.
> Padded, it might make a good Hans device for Dawg.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > How about a "gill" on top of the car - lots of ram air there.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 07:33:57 -0600
> > > From: gow2 at rc-tech.net
> > > To: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
> > > CC: michael at michaelshortt.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net;
> > detomaso at realbig.com
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
> > >
> > > John I have applications which use fans to bring the air in; oil cooler
> > > and such. I also have an idea about bringing the boundry layer back in
> > > passing the a-piller:
> > >
> > > http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/paint1/sv3.jpg
> > >
> > > http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/index.htm
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John Taphorn wrote:
> > > > I intend to eventually install a system on my GT5 to draw air in
> > through the
> > > > side windows/vents.  My aim is to have a source of cooler denser air
> > for the
> > > > engine.  The current flow pattern has us extracting air from the engine
> > bay
> > > > that is heated as it passes by the headers first.
> > > >
> > > > I have listened to the debate for years about the 4" ear requirement on
> > the
> > > > side of the car.  The advocates say it is necessary for the ram air
> > effect.
> > > > That may be so, however, I am not seeking to ram air into the
> > carburetor.
> > > > We certainly are not benefiting from ram air in the stock
> > configuration, so
> > > > I don't see why it is postulated as a requirement when ever someone
> > inquires
> > > > about ingesting air from the side.
> > > >
> > > > I am confident that if the intakes tract is extended to an opening in
> > the
> > > > side gill/window even without an ear, the engine will suck in all the
> > cooler
> > > > denser air that it needs despite the theoretical boundary layer.  Lord
> > > > knows, it certainly rushes into my car when I roll down the driver's
> > window
> > > > without the benefit of anything, like an intake stroke, creating a
> > lower
> > > > vacuum.
> > > >
> > > > JT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> > > > To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" <rob at dumoulins.net>; <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> > > > Cc: "'pantera list'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:21 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Remember that there has been quite a number of strings regarding the
> > > >> merits
> > > >> of side scoops and whether they really do any good unless they stick
> > out
> > > >> far
> > > >> enough to extend beyond the boundary layer created by the car.  If I
> > > >> recall
> > > >> the figure was 6" to 8" out from the side of the car to actually
> > "scoop"
> > > >> some air.  'Like Michael said, it's your car, but I sure wouldn't want
> > > >> mine
> > > >> looking like Dumbo on wheels . . .
> > > >>
> > > >> Something else I would think about too: if your car is an early '71, I
> > > >> assume it has all the bright work on it (bumpers, mirrors, window
> > trim,
> > > >> etc.).  I recently saw an ad on EBay for an early '71 with steel group
> > IV
> > > >> flares, center exhaust from 180's, etc, and somehow all that just
> > didn't
> > > >> look right on a chrome bumpered car, having seen most Grp IV clones
> > with
> > > >> bumpers off or all trim blacked out.
> > > >>
> > > >> K, that's my .02.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mike Thomas
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:
> > detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > > >> On
> > > >> Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin
> > > >> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:56 PM
> > > >> To: michael at michaelshortt.com
> > > >> Cc: pantera list
> > > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks, Mike.  Why do I get the feeling you are preparing for a career
> > in
> > > >> politics with those two answers?  Seriously though, I like the hood
> > vent
> > > >> look, want to cut down on under car air pressure while gaining ducts
> > for
> > > >> brake air, and want a closed box cold air system.  I also considered
> > > >> cutting
> > > >> a hole in my engine cover and placing the K&N in colder air above it.
> >  I
> > > >> am
> > > >> about function on just about everything on the car except the hood
> > vents.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Aug 2, 2010 8:59 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Guys, working out of state is killing my restoration plans and spare
> > > >>> time.
> > > >>>  I hoped to be farthe...
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