[DeTomaso] # of surviving cars

Wed Apr 21 12:58:43 EDT 2010

This forum is now run by POCA and appears to be open to everyone,

But having said that, in the plan that I suggest, the Registry would be open
to those who are in it
and who have paid to support it.

Pay the fee, get the password, get the DPR document and have your car
notated from that point forward.

Same as Shelby, Cobra, and others.

I mean y'all pay for a Marti report, why not a DPR?

I have no idea where FREE became a right,

Don't get me started on US Politics.

It costs money to gather information, post it, and maintain it.

The Panteras cost money to buy, own and maintain, I don't expect gas for
FREE,
I don't expect Precision ProFormance to send me parts for FREE.

If I paid to get a DPR document and be listed on the Registry, then I would
expect to pay for the
service.  If only members of the Registry could have access or request a 24
password for a
guest to use ( potential buyers perhaps ) that could work and again,
everybody gets something and we start to build a permanent database
that will outlive us all.  Remember, for the most part, we are guardians of
these cars,
unless wrecked or neglected, they will outlast all of us.

Go to any auto museum or car show, 99% of the people who bought those cars
when NEW are DEAD.

Michael Shortt

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:

> I assume that those of us who are not POCA members would not have access to
> the registry if it was run by POCA.
>
> Tomas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>  [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Tony DiGiovanna
> Sent: den 21 april 2010 03:13
> To: 'John Taphorn'; detomaso at realbig.com; 'Chuck Melton'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
>
>
> Nice summary.  This rings true to me.  Not unlike running a chapter, or
> other volunteer organizations I am associated.
>
> POCA is an important resource for the marque owners.  Actually, the real
> resource is all of us.  The ideas, the labor, the power, comes from us.
>
> I have noted thru the years, a few repeat, and a few occasional, folks take
> an initiative to get something relevant done.  I do not expect that to
> change much.
>
> However, I think one thing needs to change:  We all need to lower any
> personal aspirations, ego, expectations of intellectual property rights,
> etc. and unify our collective inputs into the POCA organization/network.
>
> Why do I think this important?  Because there are many pressures working
> against the growth of this (and other such) organizations.  Without
> increasing the relevance of the organization, it risks dying on the vine.
> I, for one, think Pantera ownership would be so boring without the
> infrastructure of all you at my access.
>
> So, for example, drawing lines of ownership around something like the
> various registries (whether its POCA, VanNess, or Melton) just serves to
> dilute the efforts, confuse the masses, delay commitments.  We would be
> well
> served to unify that data and make it available to POCA members.  I hope
> Chuck finds the initiative to move it forward one step.  I hope POCA finds
> the initiative to move it forward too.  I hope somebody else finds the
> initiative to help them both move it forward another step.
>
> If 1/4 of us do one thing in the name of the membership, we'll have 250 new
> relevant things.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> Behalf Of John Taphorn
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:25 PM
> To: Ken Green; gow2 at rc-tech.net; JDeRyke at aol.com
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com; Chuck Melton
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
>
> While President of POCA, I tried in earnest to get a Registry sponsored and
> hosted by POCA in place.  It is far more complicated than it sounds.  I
> successfully negotiated with Bill VanNess, the original Pantera Registry
> guy, and he eventually agreed to provide us with his database to seed it.
> Although, admittedly, his data was dated and our website wasn't ready, yet.
>
> Others came forward with data to support the initiative including a
> gentleman in Canada, whose name escapes me, who maintained a private
> registry of GT5s.
>
> As our effort to launch a new POCA website was glacial in it's progress,
> Chuck Melton stepped up to tackle the initiative on his own.  I will add,
> he
>
> is tackling the effort with enthusiasm and doing , in my opinion, as well
> as
>
> anyone could.
>
> I contacted Chuck on behalf of POCA and offered to host it on the POCA
> website, pay all the costs associated with it, and he would be the Registry
> Director managing and supervising its content.
>
> At the time, Chuck was uncomfortable making a long term commitment to POCA.
> He had his reasons and I will respect his privacy and not disclose.  I do
> hope that he would reconsider one day.
>
> The reason POCA does not have a Registry is NOT a lack of funding, it is a
> lack of personnel resources.  No one with the knowledge, time, energy or
> fortitude has stepped up to volunteer.  I suppose that some believe POCA is
> comprised of paid staff who should be adding this to their list of action
> items.  When in actuality, it is a group of volunteers who donate a lot of
> time and energy to keep POCA relevant.
>
> I suspect that every member of the Board would emotionally support and
> cover
>
> reasonable software and hosting responsibilities of any competent
> individual
>
> or team that wished to set up a Registry on the POCA website.
>
> Frankly, it is people who can execute that make a difference, we all have
> good ideas.
>
> JT
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: <gow2 at rc-tech.net>; <JDeRyke at aol.com>
> Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>; "Chuck Melton" <Pantera007 at provamo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
>
>
> It seems like Chuck Milton has been trying to get people to participate in
> his free online registry, and has been criticized by people because he's
> using a little coercion to get participation? I'm not sure how well it has
> worked, but at least he's doing something and on his own dime.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Tue, 4/20/10, JDeRyke at aol.com <JDeRyke at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: JDeRyke at aol.com <JDeRyke at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
> To: gow2 at rc-tech.net
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 11:07 AM
>
>
> In a message dated 4/20/10 12:45:46 AM, gow2 at rc-tech.net writes:
>
> > When POCA or some other club gets involved and makes a real official
> > effort like the way the Corvettes and other groups have, it would make a
> > difference.
> >
> Agreed; want to volunteer to form a group to do one? That's the main
> problem, Bill- everyone wants access to such a registry but no one wants to
> spend
> the years it takes to compile one. Which is a moving target anyway since
> details change daily due to sales, accidents, owner upgrades etc. And POCA
> typically only offers encouragement- they're watching their pennies pretty
> carefully these days. Finally, most good records reside in vendors files,
> which
> they guard pretty carefully. Good luck- J DeRyke
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