[DeTomaso] # of surviving cars

Wed Apr 21 13:06:32 EDT 2010

*Michael Shortt wrote:*
*
Go to any auto museum or car show, 99% of the people who bought those cars
when NEW are DEAD.*

Gee, Mike, when you put it that way, it sounds so depressing.  I'll never be
able to enjoy another car show again.

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:58 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:

> This forum is now run by POCA and appears to be open to everyone,
>
> But having said that, in the plan that I suggest, the Registry would be
> open
> to those who are in it
> and who have paid to support it.
>
> Pay the fee, get the password, get the DPR document and have your car
> notated from that point forward.
>
> Same as Shelby, Cobra, and others.
>
> I mean y'all pay for a Marti report, why not a DPR?
>
> I have no idea where FREE became a right,
>
> Don't get me started on US Politics.
>
> It costs money to gather information, post it, and maintain it.
>
> The Panteras cost money to buy, own and maintain, I don't expect gas for
> FREE,
> I don't expect Precision ProFormance to send me parts for FREE.
>
> If I paid to get a DPR document and be listed on the Registry, then I would
> expect to pay for the
> service.  If only members of the Registry could have access or request a 24
> password for a
> guest to use ( potential buyers perhaps ) that could work and again,
> everybody gets something and we start to build a permanent database
> that will outlive us all.  Remember, for the most part, we are guardians of
> these cars,
> unless wrecked or neglected, they will outlast all of us.
>
> Go to any auto museum or car show, 99% of the people who bought those cars
> when NEW are DEAD.
>
> Michael Shortt
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>
> > I assume that those of us who are not POCA members would not have access
> to
> > the registry if it was run by POCA.
> >
> > Tomas
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >  [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Tony DiGiovanna
> > Sent: den 21 april 2010 03:13
> > To: 'John Taphorn'; detomaso at realbig.com; 'Chuck Melton'
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
> >
> >
> > Nice summary.  This rings true to me.  Not unlike running a chapter, or
> > other volunteer organizations I am associated.
> >
> > POCA is an important resource for the marque owners.  Actually, the real
> > resource is all of us.  The ideas, the labor, the power, comes from us.
> >
> > I have noted thru the years, a few repeat, and a few occasional, folks
> take
> > an initiative to get something relevant done.  I do not expect that to
> > change much.
> >
> > However, I think one thing needs to change:  We all need to lower any
> > personal aspirations, ego, expectations of intellectual property rights,
> > etc. and unify our collective inputs into the POCA organization/network.
> >
> > Why do I think this important?  Because there are many pressures working
> > against the growth of this (and other such) organizations.  Without
> > increasing the relevance of the organization, it risks dying on the vine.
> > I, for one, think Pantera ownership would be so boring without the
> > infrastructure of all you at my access.
> >
> > So, for example, drawing lines of ownership around something like the
> > various registries (whether its POCA, VanNess, or Melton) just serves to
> > dilute the efforts, confuse the masses, delay commitments.  We would be
> > well
> > served to unify that data and make it available to POCA members.  I hope
> > Chuck finds the initiative to move it forward one step.  I hope POCA
> finds
> > the initiative to move it forward too.  I hope somebody else finds the
> > initiative to help them both move it forward another step.
> >
> > If 1/4 of us do one thing in the name of the membership, we'll have 250
> new
> > relevant things.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On
> > Behalf Of John Taphorn
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:25 PM
> > To: Ken Green; gow2 at rc-tech.net; JDeRyke at aol.com
> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com; Chuck Melton
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
> >
> > While President of POCA, I tried in earnest to get a Registry sponsored
> and
> > hosted by POCA in place.  It is far more complicated than it sounds.  I
> > successfully negotiated with Bill VanNess, the original Pantera Registry
> > guy, and he eventually agreed to provide us with his database to seed it.
> > Although, admittedly, his data was dated and our website wasn't ready,
> yet.
> >
> > Others came forward with data to support the initiative including a
> > gentleman in Canada, whose name escapes me, who maintained a private
> > registry of GT5s.
> >
> > As our effort to launch a new POCA website was glacial in it's progress,
> > Chuck Melton stepped up to tackle the initiative on his own.  I will add,
> > he
> >
> > is tackling the effort with enthusiasm and doing , in my opinion, as well
> > as
> >
> > anyone could.
> >
> > I contacted Chuck on behalf of POCA and offered to host it on the POCA
> > website, pay all the costs associated with it, and he would be the
> Registry
> > Director managing and supervising its content.
> >
> > At the time, Chuck was uncomfortable making a long term commitment to
> POCA.
> > He had his reasons and I will respect his privacy and not disclose.  I do
> > hope that he would reconsider one day.
> >
> > The reason POCA does not have a Registry is NOT a lack of funding, it is
> a
> > lack of personnel resources.  No one with the knowledge, time, energy or
> > fortitude has stepped up to volunteer.  I suppose that some believe POCA
> is
> > comprised of paid staff who should be adding this to their list of action
> > items.  When in actuality, it is a group of volunteers who donate a lot
> of
> > time and energy to keep POCA relevant.
> >
> > I suspect that every member of the Board would emotionally support and
> > cover
> >
> > reasonable software and hosting responsibilities of any competent
> > individual
> >
> > or team that wished to set up a Registry on the POCA website.
> >
> > Frankly, it is people who can execute that make a difference, we all have
> > good ideas.
> >
> > JT
> >
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > To: <gow2 at rc-tech.net>; <JDeRyke at aol.com>
> > Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>; "Chuck Melton" <Pantera007 at provamo.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
> >
> >
> > It seems like Chuck Milton has been trying to get people to participate
> in
> > his free online registry, and has been criticized by people because he's
> > using a little coercion to get participation? I'm not sure how well it
> has
> > worked, but at least he's doing something and on his own dime.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Tue, 4/20/10, JDeRyke at aol.com <JDeRyke at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: JDeRyke at aol.com <JDeRyke at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
> > To: gow2 at rc-tech.net
> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 11:07 AM
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 4/20/10 12:45:46 AM, gow2 at rc-tech.net writes:
> >
> > > When POCA or some other club gets involved and makes a real official
> > > effort like the way the Corvettes and other groups have, it would make
> a
> > > difference.
> > >
> > Agreed; want to volunteer to form a group to do one? That's the main
> > problem, Bill- everyone wants access to such a registry but no one wants
> to
> > spend
> > the years it takes to compile one. Which is a moving target anyway since
> > details change daily due to sales, accidents, owner upgrades etc. And
> POCA
> > typically only offers encouragement- they're watching their pennies
> pretty
> > carefully these days. Finally, most good records reside in vendors files,
> > which
> > they guard pretty carefully. Good luck- J DeRyke
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