[DeTomaso] # of surviving cars

Wed Apr 21 12:32:23 EDT 2010

I assume that those of us who are not POCA members would not have access to
the registry if it was run by POCA.

Tomas

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
[mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Tony DiGiovanna
Sent: den 21 april 2010 03:13
To: 'John Taphorn'; detomaso at realbig.com; 'Chuck Melton'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars

Nice summary.  This rings true to me.  Not unlike running a chapter, or
other volunteer organizations I am associated.

POCA is an important resource for the marque owners.  Actually, the real
resource is all of us.  The ideas, the labor, the power, comes from us.

I have noted thru the years, a few repeat, and a few occasional, folks take
an initiative to get something relevant done.  I do not expect that to
change much.

However, I think one thing needs to change:  We all need to lower any
personal aspirations, ego, expectations of intellectual property rights,
etc. and unify our collective inputs into the POCA organization/network.

Why do I think this important?  Because there are many pressures working
against the growth of this (and other such) organizations.  Without
increasing the relevance of the organization, it risks dying on the vine.
I, for one, think Pantera ownership would be so boring without the
infrastructure of all you at my access.

So, for example, drawing lines of ownership around something like the
various registries (whether its POCA, VanNess, or Melton) just serves to
dilute the efforts, confuse the masses, delay commitments.  We would be well
served to unify that data and make it available to POCA members.  I hope
Chuck finds the initiative to move it forward one step.  I hope POCA finds
the initiative to move it forward too.  I hope somebody else finds the
initiative to help them both move it forward another step.

If 1/4 of us do one thing in the name of the membership, we'll have 250 new
relevant things.

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of John Taphorn
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:25 PM
To: Ken Green; gow2 at rc-tech.net; JDeRyke at aol.com
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com; Chuck Melton
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars

While President of POCA, I tried in earnest to get a Registry sponsored and
hosted by POCA in place.  It is far more complicated than it sounds.  I
successfully negotiated with Bill VanNess, the original Pantera Registry
guy, and he eventually agreed to provide us with his database to seed it.
Although, admittedly, his data was dated and our website wasn't ready, yet.

Others came forward with data to support the initiative including a
gentleman in Canada, whose name escapes me, who maintained a private
registry of GT5s.

As our effort to launch a new POCA website was glacial in it's progress,
Chuck Melton stepped up to tackle the initiative on his own.  I will add, he

is tackling the effort with enthusiasm and doing , in my opinion, as well as

anyone could.

I contacted Chuck on behalf of POCA and offered to host it on the POCA
website, pay all the costs associated with it, and he would be the Registry
Director managing and supervising its content.

At the time, Chuck was uncomfortable making a long term commitment to POCA.
He had his reasons and I will respect his privacy and not disclose.  I do
hope that he would reconsider one day.

The reason POCA does not have a Registry is NOT a lack of funding, it is a
lack of personnel resources.  No one with the knowledge, time, energy or
fortitude has stepped up to volunteer.  I suppose that some believe POCA is
comprised of paid staff who should be adding this to their list of action
items.  When in actuality, it is a group of volunteers who donate a lot of
time and energy to keep POCA relevant.

I suspect that every member of the Board would emotionally support and cover

reasonable software and hosting responsibilities of any competent individual

or team that wished to set up a Registry on the POCA website.

Frankly, it is people who can execute that make a difference, we all have
good ideas.

JT

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: <gow2 at rc-tech.net>; <JDeRyke at aol.com>
Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>; "Chuck Melton" <Pantera007 at provamo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars

It seems like Chuck Milton has been trying to get people to participate in
his free online registry, and has been criticized by people because he's
using a little coercion to get participation? I'm not sure how well it has
worked, but at least he's doing something and on his own dime.

Ken

--- On Tue, 4/20/10, JDeRyke at aol.com <JDeRyke at aol.com> wrote:

From: JDeRyke at aol.com <JDeRyke at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
To: gow2 at rc-tech.net
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 11:07 AM

In a message dated 4/20/10 12:45:46 AM, gow2 at rc-tech.net writes:

> When POCA or some other club gets involved and makes a real official
> effort like the way the Corvettes and other groups have, it would make a
> difference.
>
Agreed; want to volunteer to form a group to do one? That's the main
problem, Bill- everyone wants access to such a registry but no one wants to
spend
the years it takes to compile one. Which is a moving target anyway since
details change daily due to sales, accidents, owner upgrades etc. And POCA
typically only offers encouragement- they're watching their pennies pretty
carefully these days. Finally, most good records reside in vendors files,
which
they guard pretty carefully. Good luck- J DeRyke
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