[DeTomaso] GT4 wheels & Offset (was FOR Sale Rant)
pantdino at aol.com
pantdino at aol.com
Sat Sep 19 16:17:47 EDT 2009
Micheal,
What are the backspacing and width measurements of your 10 spoke Campys?
Do you have the same flares Will will be using?
If so, the measurements of your wheels will tell us exactly what Will should buy to prevent having to use a spacer.
Jim
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From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
To: pantdino at aol.com; pantera list <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Sat, Sep 19, 2009 12:03 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT4 wheels & Offset (was FOR Sale Rant)
Something to remember...those flares were designed for the race cars. They ran
14"
rear wheels. I don't know what the factory did when they used the flares with
the 13"
wheels on the GT5. Those flares are completely different than the Gp4 flares so
that probably takes care of the spacing. I have factory style riveted flares
with 10 spoke Campys. They fit great with a 1" spacer on the back.
Michael Frazier
Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:33:47 -0400
> From: pantdino at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT4 wheels & Offset (was FOR Sale Rant)
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> Ron L has just spent $5500 on GR4? wheels from a vendor and he requires 1"
> spacers in the
> rear. I know of another fellow with a factory GT5 and the GR4 wheels he
ordered
> with
> "factory" specs required 1 1/2" spacers in the rear and 3/4 in the front.
> I'll be damned if I am going to spend uwards of $5k to then have to replace
> studs and
> install spacers.
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> You are right. If you have to add spacers to wheels it means they were not
made to the proper specs.?
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> I don't have much experience with custom wheels, but this is not rocket
science.
> When I ordered my Coddington wheels for my stock car I was fortunate in that i
just used the backspacing for the stock 8 and 10" wide Campy wheels--? 5.25"
front and rear.-- and got 17" diameter wheels?
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> My recollection is that people who use 13" wide rear wheels use one inch more
backspacing. Each inch of backspacing moves the wheel 1 inch INWARD, so in
comparison to 10 inch, 13" wheels have 1 inch of that width inboard of the
mounting surface and 2" outboard.
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> There is a limit to how much backspacing you can do because the tire will hit
the suspension or body and you will not be able to drive the car (or maybe even
to mount the wheel and tire at all.)? From what I said re the 13" wheels, I
think 6.25" backspacing is the maximum you can use. BUT IF YOU WANT THE TIRE AND
WHEEL TO BE MORE OUTBOARD YOU WILL WANT LESS BACKSPACING.
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> This really shouldn't be that complicated regarding the wheel itself. How far
outboard from the mounting surface do you want the outside surface of the wheel
to be?? Unless you have some reason to change it, use the backspacing you have
on the wheels you have now and just add rim width to move the outside edge more
outboard.? So if you have 5.25" backspacing now and want the wheel edge 3" more
outboard then get wheels that are 3" wider.
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> Or you could find out what the specs are on the wheels you describe above that
need spacers and just order them with those amounts LESS backspacing.? Visually,
less backspacing will have the same effect as a spacer except that the wheel
will look more deep-dished because the vertical portion is further from the
outside edge.???
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> The latter choice would be the best one because you know that a wheel sitting
in that point in space in relation to your car does not hit the bodywork and
looks good.? If you plan to get different diameter wheels than those guys have
you have to make sure that there is a tire made that would give the same outside
diameter as what they have.
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> Jim Oddie
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> From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com
> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; detomaso at realbig.com; 'Will Demelo'
<wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
> Sent: Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:10 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT4 wheels & Offset (was FOR Sale Rant)
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> I'd be happy to host the drawings and photos. I might even supply a few of my
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> Chuck
> (The Registry Guy)
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> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Ken
> Green
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:01 AM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com; Will Demelo
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FOR Sale Rant
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> Will,
> ?
> ??? I think some simple drawings would really help, but you'd have to find
> someone or
> someplace to post them.
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> ??? Regarding backset, if that is the measurement from the wheel mounting
> surface that
> rests against the hub, to the inside tire mounting surface, why would it
change
> if you add
> flares?? Wouldn't that dimension remain the same and the wheel is just made
> wider?
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> ?? I need drawings to understand this.
> ?
> Ken
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> From: Will Demelo <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] FOR Sale Rant
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 6:56 AM
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> I appologise for last weeks post with the expletives.
> I am trying to convert my car to GR4. The fibreglass flares are going to be
> riveted on,
> just as from the factory.
> I ordered wheels from a vendor last fall and the agreed upon price was not
> charged to my
> card. Apparently there was more machining involved. After waiting 3-4 months,
I
> gave up
> and cancelled the order. The wheels had not beed started yet (confirmed by
> Kodiak). I had
> to threaten credit card fraud to get my money back.
> I recently placed another order to another vendor. I was told that they had
> converted many
> cars. I mounted the flares on my car using clamps and took measurements to the
> hub
> surface.
> After requesting the backspace measurements 3 times, I was finally told 4.5"F
> and 6.5"R.
> The reproduction Campys I have on my car now, with stock narrow body, have a
> 6.25"
> backspacing. Now I'm no math major, but how are new wheels, with almost the
same
> backspacing be correct after I extend the flares outward about 4"??
> I was told by the vendor that I was doing things backwards. I should get the
> wheels and
> then modify the flares to accomodate. I don't agree with this. There is zero
> movement with
> my flares. They have to meet front and rear body lines and then the upper
> portion gets
> pushed to meet the body.
> I don't inderstand how I can't mount my flares to the body, take measurements
> and order
> wheels with custom offsets.
> Ron L has just spent $5500 on GR4? wheels from a vendor and he requires 1"
> spacers in the
> rear. I know of another fellow with a factory GT5 and the GR4 wheels he
ordered
> with
> "factory" specs required 1 1/2" spacers in the rear and 3/4 in the front.
> I'll be damned if I am going to spend uwards of $5k to then have to replace
> studs and
> install spacers.
> I try my best to send all info and communicate to only have vendors ship me
> parts, at my
> expense.
> Will
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