[DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket

Mon Nov 30 18:26:50 EST 2009

Kjetil,

Can you clarify you switched from the comined mechanical + EWP 110 to a mechanical plus 55gpm Mezier or just the Meziere as a standalone?

Thanks,

Julian

> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:15:53 +0100
> From: kjetfinn at online.no
> To: Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
> 
> The Davies Craig EWP 80 is only listed for engines upto 3 litres on the Davies Craig website.
> The EWP 110 is the one listed for V8's. I have been using a EWP 110 in conjuction with the mecahnical pump before I switched to the Meziere 55gallon pump.
> My engine was dynoed at 500HP before switching to ball bearing turbo's. Now it s probably closer to 700hp. No problem with cooling anymore.
> 
> Kjetil
> 
> > From: Thomas Tornblom [Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se]
> > Sent: 2009-11-30 22:41:36 CET
> > To: De Tomaso List [detomaso at realbig.com]
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
> > 
> > Kirby Schrader skrev:
> > > My 55gpm remote Meziere is working very well, so far.
> > 
> > I just received information about Stefans pump, which were not up to the 
> > task on autobahn, and it is this one:
> > 
> > http://www.daviescraig.com.au/Electric_Water_Pumps-EWP80__12V__ELECTRIC_WATER_PUMP___PART_No__8005-details.aspx
> > 
> > About 20 gpm.
> > 
> > He said it worked fine at idle, and in town, but at high speed for long 
> > time it wasn't sufficient.
> > 
> > He also had the old mechanical pump still in place, so it was easy to 
> > just put the belt back on.
> > 
> > So the 55 gpm Meziere is probably OK for a street driven Pantera.
> > 
> > Thomas
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 28 Nov 2009, at 7:33 AM, Thomas Tornblom wrote:
> > > 
> > >> Tomas Gunnarsson skrev:
> > >>> If you're talking about Stefan J's pump it was a Meziere AFAIK. I don't know what the rated capacity was.
> > >> Yes, it was Stefan, but I also received comments from others that had 
> > >> seen cars having cooling problems due to the electric pump they were using.
> > >>
> > >>> Tomas
> > >> Thomas
> > >>
> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >>> From: "Thomas Tornblom" <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>
> > >>> To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > >>> Cc: <rkmosier at aol.com>; <fnoonan at gmail.com>; "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>; <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; <sobill at aol.com>; <thomas.tornblom at hax.se>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:55 AM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Julian Kift skrev:
> > >>>>> Yes, it would be good to know/document what brand pump and what went wrong.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I know people will argue that that there are far fewer electric pumps on 
> > >>>>> Pantera's out there, but I heard of many a mechanical water pump failing 
> > >>>>> and that's the first electric.
> > >>>> It didn´t fail, it just wasn´t up to the task on the autobahn, and I 
> > >>>> don´t know what brand/model it was.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I also have no idea about the other failures I received private mails 
> > >>>> for, but that too appears to have been capacity problems. Working fine 
> > >>>> in daily traffic, but insufficient at high speed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> There's a parallel discussion on the PI forum regarding an electric 
> > >>>>> water pump and flat firewall. The remote electric pump in that 
> > >>>>> application was a) installed in 2000 and still going and b) set up with 
> > >>>>> shut off valves and could be changed out on the side of the road if 
> > >>>>> necessary. Would you change a mechanical pump at the side of the road?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Discussion can be found here;
> > >>>>> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/511108853/p/1
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Julian
> > >>>> Thomas
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:43:46 -0800
> > >>>>> From: davel at emspace.com
> > >>>>> To: Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
> > >>>>> CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; rkmosier at aol.com; fnoonan at gmail.com; 
> > >>>>> detomaso at realbig.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; sobill at aol.com
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Do you happen to know the make & model that failed Thomas?
> > >>>>> dave
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thomas Tornblom wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Julian Kift skrev:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thomas,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Why not just install a remote electric water pump?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I´m not convinced about the reliability and capacity of that. I received 
> > >>>>> some private comments to this effect when there was talk about this a 
> > >>>>> few weeks ago. A Swedish Pantera using an electric pump without problems 
> > >>>>> in Sweden ran into problems on a trip through Germany and had to go back 
> > >>>>> to the mechanical pump.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Julian
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thomas
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:30:20 +0100
> > >>>>>> From: Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE <mailto:Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE>
> > >>>>>> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > >>>>>> CC: RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>; SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>; fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com>; 
> > >>>>> detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Does anyone know where one can get shorter waterpump bearings?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I've been thinking about the possibility to drasticly shorten a pump
> > >>>>>> so that one can eliminate the hump.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I tried mailing Edelbrock, but they don't do support over email and I
> > >>>>>> haven't mustered the energy to call them.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>> Thomas
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> 27 nov 2009 kl. 22.01 skrev Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I think IPS also sells a mount to move the alternator for a flatter
> > >>>>>>> fire wall.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20alt%20bracket.htm
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Ken
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --- On Fri, 11/27/09, SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> <SOBill at aol.com> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> <SOBill at aol.com> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
> > >>>>>>> To: fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com>, detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>, RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>
> > >>>>>>> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 12:35 PM
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Is this what you're looking for?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> _http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm_
> > >>>>>>> (http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I believe it adapts the rotary pump to the OEM York mounting bracket.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> SOBill Taylor
> > >>>>>>> sobill at aol.com <mailto:sobill at aol.com>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> In a message dated 11/27/2009 10:15:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > >>>>>>> fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com> writes:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hello,
> > >>>>>>> I was wondering if anybody has photos of this bracket, or knows
> > >>>>>>> where I could info on it?
> > >>>>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Air Conditioning & Heating
> > >>>>>>> Rotary Compressor Upgrade
> > >>>>>>> Sanden Rotary Compressor
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>
> > >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:57:36 EDT
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden A/Cs
> > >>>>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
> > >>>>>>> From the Pantera Database:
> > >>>>>>> Sanden SD-508 R-12 Rotary AC Compressor is sold by Pantera East,
> > >>>>>>> also sold
> > >>>>>>> is a machined aluminum
> > >>>>>>> adapter bracket to replace a York.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ____________________________________
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> From: NSakulen at aol.com <mailto:NSakulen at aol.com>
> > >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:15:30 EDT
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] a/c
> > >>>>>>> To: RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>, _detomaso at realbig.com_ 
> > >>>>> (mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
> > >>>>>>> )
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The bracket is from Pantera Performance Center in Colorado. The
> > >>>>>>> Compressor
> > >>>>>>> is a Sanden 508 type. I
> > >>>>>>> got one recommended by an A/C shop I deal with. It?s made by ZEXEL
> > >>>>>>> in
> > >>>>>>> Japan P/N 500630-7830.
> > >>>>>>> Distributed by International Components Engineering. I.C.E. P/N 
> > >>>>> 2521152
> > >>>>>>> .
> > >>>>>>> The alternator mounts to the
> > >>>>>>> right of the compressor and drives off the inside groove on the
> > >>>>>>> compressor. I have some pictures. I don?t
> > >>>>>>> have a web site, but I can send them if you email me.
> > >>>>>>> Nick
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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