[DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
Thomas Tornblom
Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
Sun Nov 29 14:04:35 EST 2009
Kirby Schrader skrev:
> gpm!
>Doh!< Sorry 'bout that ;-)
>
> :-)
>
> On 28 Nov 2009, at 12:57 PM, Thomas Tornblom wrote:
>
>> Ken Green skrev:
>>> This is intereesting reading:
>>>
>>> http://www.stewartcomponents.com/tech_tips/Tech_Tips_6.htm
>> Yes, 100gph appears to be required, so one 55gph pump per head. Seems
>> consistent with the comments I've received.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>> To: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>> Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 9:42 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmm, well Kirby, I think you're going to have to enter the Big Bend Open
>>> Road Race this next year in order to test it at ORR speeds for extended
>>> periods of time "autobahn style" in order for us to really know.
>>>
>>> But in seriousness, I think Jack's question is the most relevant. What
>>> is rated capacity of a stock mechanical pump being driven by a belt at
>>> 6,000 engine RPM. If we knew that number, we could do a side by side
>>> comparison of the electric which we know has an advertised capacity of
>>> 55 GPM. After that, empirical testing is required.
>>>
>>> Asa Jay
>>>
>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>
>>> & Shelley Marie
>>> Spokane, WA
>>>
>>> 1971 Mach I Mustang [ASA JAY]
>>> 1973 Pantera L 5533 [ASASCAT]
>>>
>>> ******************************
>>> http://www.asajay.com
>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kirby Schrader wrote:
>>>> My 55gpm remote Meziere is working very well, so far.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 28 Nov 2009, at 7:33 AM, Thomas Tornblom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Tomas Gunnarsson skrev:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're talking about Stefan J's pump it was a Meziere AFAIK. I don't know what the rated capacity was.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it was Stefan, but I also received comments from others that had
>>>>> seen cars having cooling problems due to the electric pump they were using.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomas
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Thomas Tornblom" <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>
>>>>>> To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: <rkmosier at aol.com>; <fnoonan at gmail.com>; "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>; <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; <sobill at aol.com>; <thomas.tornblom at hax.se>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:55 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julian Kift skrev:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, it would be good to know/document what brand pump and what went wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know people will argue that that there are far fewer electric pumps on
>>>>>>>> Pantera's out there, but I heard of many a mechanical water pump failing
>>>>>>>> and that's the first electric.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It didn´t fail, it just wasn´t up to the task on the autobahn, and I
>>>>>>> don´t know what brand/model it was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also have no idea about the other failures I received private mails
>>>>>>> for, but that too appears to have been capacity problems. Working fine
>>>>>>> in daily traffic, but insufficient at high speed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's a parallel discussion on the PI forum regarding an electric
>>>>>>>> water pump and flat firewall. The remote electric pump in that
>>>>>>>> application was a) installed in 2000 and still going and b) set up with
>>>>>>>> shut off valves and could be changed out on the side of the road if
>>>>>>>> necessary. Would you change a mechanical pump at the side of the road?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Discussion can be found here;
>>>>>>>> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/511108853/p/1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:43:46 -0800
>>>>>>>> From: davel at emspace.com
>>>>>>>> To: Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
>>>>>>>> CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; rkmosier at aol.com; fnoonan at gmail.com;
>>>>>>>> detomaso at realbig.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; sobill at aol.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you happen to know the make & model that failed Thomas?
>>>>>>>> dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thomas Tornblom wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julian Kift skrev:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thomas,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why not just install a remote electric water pump?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I´m not convinced about the reliability and capacity of that. I received
>>>>>>>> some private comments to this effect when there was talk about this a
>>>>>>>> few weeks ago. A Swedish Pantera using an electric pump without problems
>>>>>>>> in Sweden ran into problems on a trip through Germany and had to go back
>>>>>>>> to the mechanical pump.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:30:20 +0100
>>>>>>>>> From: Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE <mailto:Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE>
>>>>>>>>> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>> CC: RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>; SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>; fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com>;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know where one can get shorter waterpump bearings?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about the possibility to drasticly shorten a pump
>>>>>>>>> so that one can eliminate the hump.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tried mailing Edelbrock, but they don't do support over email and I
>>>>>>>>> haven't mustered the energy to call them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 27 nov 2009 kl. 22.01 skrev Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think IPS also sells a mount to move the alternator for a flatter
>>>>>>>>>> fire wall.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20alt%20bracket.htm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- On Fri, 11/27/09, SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> <SOBill at aol.com> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> <SOBill at aol.com> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>>>>>> To: fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com>, detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>, RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 12:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is this what you're looking for?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm_
>>>>>>>>>> (http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I believe it adapts the rotary pump to the OEM York mounting bracket.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> SOBill Taylor
>>>>>>>>>> sobill at aol.com <mailto:sobill at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/27/2009 10:15:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>>>>>>>>>> fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if anybody has photos of this bracket, or knows
>>>>>>>>>> where I could info on it?
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Air Conditioning & Heating
>>>>>>>>>> Rotary Compressor Upgrade
>>>>>>>>>> Sanden Rotary Compressor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:57:36 EDT
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden A/Cs
>>>>>>>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>>>>>>> From the Pantera Database:
>>>>>>>>>> Sanden SD-508 R-12 Rotary AC Compressor is sold by Pantera East,
>>>>>>>>>> also sold
>>>>>>>>>> is a machined aluminum
>>>>>>>>>> adapter bracket to replace a York.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: NSakulen at aol.com <mailto:NSakulen at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:15:30 EDT
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] a/c
>>>>>>>>>> To: RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>, _detomaso at realbig.com_
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The bracket is from Pantera Performance Center in Colorado. The
>>>>>>>>>> Compressor
>>>>>>>>>> is a Sanden 508 type. I
>>>>>>>>>> got one recommended by an A/C shop I deal with. It's made by ZEXEL
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Japan P/N 500630-7830.
>>>>>>>>>> Distributed by International Components Engineering. I.C.E. P/N
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2521152
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>> The alternator mounts to the
>>>>>>>>>> right of the compressor and drives off the inside groove on the
>>>>>>>>>> compressor. I have some pictures. I don't
>>>>>>>>>> have a web site, but I can send them if you email me.
>>>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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