[DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket

Kirby Schrader kirby.schrader at gmail.com
Sat Nov 28 14:05:32 EST 2009 

gpm!

:-)

On 28 Nov 2009, at 12:57 PM, Thomas Tornblom wrote:

> Ken Green skrev:
>> This is intereesting reading:
>> 
>> http://www.stewartcomponents.com/tech_tips/Tech_Tips_6.htm
> 
> Yes, 100gph appears to be required, so one 55gph pump per head. Seems 
> consistent with the comments I've received.
> 
> Thomas
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>> To: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 9:42 AM
>> 
>> 
>> Hmm, well Kirby, I think you're going to have to enter the Big Bend Open 
>> Road Race this next year in order to test it at ORR speeds for extended 
>> periods of time "autobahn style" in order for us to really know.
>> 
>> But in seriousness, I think Jack's question is the most relevant.  What 
>> is rated capacity of a stock mechanical pump being driven by a belt at 
>> 6,000 engine RPM.  If we knew that number, we could do a side by side 
>> comparison of the electric which we know has an advertised capacity of 
>> 55 GPM.  After that, empirical testing is required.
>> 
>> Asa Jay
>> 
>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> 
>> & Shelley Marie
>> Spokane, WA
>> 
>> 1971 Mach I Mustang  [ASA JAY]
>> 1973 Pantera L 5533  [ASASCAT]
>> 
>> ******************************     
>> http://www.asajay.com
>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kirby Schrader wrote:
>>> My 55gpm remote Meziere is working very well, so far.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Nov 2009, at 7:33 AM, Thomas Tornblom wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Tomas Gunnarsson skrev:
>>>> 
>>>>> If you're talking about Stefan J's pump it was a Meziere AFAIK. I don't know what the rated capacity was.
>>>>> 
>>>> Yes, it was Stefan, but I also received comments from others that had 
>>>> seen cars having cooling problems due to the electric pump they were using.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Tomas
>>>>> 
>>>> Thomas
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Thomas Tornblom" <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>
>>>>> To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: <rkmosier at aol.com>; <fnoonan at gmail.com>; "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>; <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; <sobill at aol.com>; <thomas.tornblom at hax.se>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:55 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julian Kift skrev:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, it would be good to know/document what brand pump and what went wrong.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I know people will argue that that there are far fewer electric pumps on 
>>>>>>> Pantera's out there, but I heard of many a mechanical water pump failing 
>>>>>>> and that's the first electric.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It didn´t fail, it just wasn´t up to the task on the autobahn, and I 
>>>>>> don´t know what brand/model it was.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I also have no idea about the other failures I received private mails 
>>>>>> for, but that too appears to have been capacity problems. Working fine 
>>>>>> in daily traffic, but insufficient at high speed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There's a parallel discussion on the PI forum regarding an electric 
>>>>>>> water pump and flat firewall. The remote electric pump in that 
>>>>>>> application was a) installed in 2000 and still going and b) set up with 
>>>>>>> shut off valves and could be changed out on the side of the road if 
>>>>>>> necessary. Would you change a mechanical pump at the side of the road?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Discussion can be found here;
>>>>>>> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/511108853/p/1
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julian
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:43:46 -0800
>>>>>>> From: davel at emspace.com
>>>>>>> To: Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
>>>>>>> CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; rkmosier at aol.com; fnoonan at gmail.com; 
>>>>>>> detomaso at realbig.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; sobill at aol.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do you happen to know the make & model that failed Thomas?
>>>>>>> dave
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thomas Tornblom wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Julian Kift skrev:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>        Thomas,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>        Why not just install a remote electric water pump?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    I´m not convinced about the reliability and capacity of that. I received 
>>>>>>>    some private comments to this effect when there was talk about this a 
>>>>>>>    few weeks ago. A Swedish Pantera using an electric pump without problems 
>>>>>>>    in Sweden ran into problems on a trip through Germany and had to go back 
>>>>>>>    to the mechanical pump.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>        Julian
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Thomas
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:30:20 +0100
>>>>>>>> From: Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE <mailto:Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE>
>>>>>>>> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> CC: RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>; SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>; fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com>; 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>        detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Does anyone know where one can get shorter waterpump bearings?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about the possibility to drasticly shorten a pump
>>>>>>>> so that one can eliminate the hump.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I tried mailing Edelbrock, but they don't do support over email and I
>>>>>>>> haven't mustered the energy to call them.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 27 nov 2009 kl. 22.01 skrev Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think IPS also sells a mount to move the alternator for a flatter
>>>>>>>>> fire wall.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20alt%20bracket.htm
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --- On Fri, 11/27/09, SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> <SOBill at aol.com> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> <SOBill at aol.com> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>>>>> To: fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com>, detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>, RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 12:35 PM
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Is this what you're looking for?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> _http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm_
>>>>>>>>> (http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I believe it adapts the rotary pump to the OEM York mounting bracket.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> SOBill Taylor
>>>>>>>>> sobill at aol.com <mailto:sobill at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/27/2009 10:15:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>>>>>>>>> fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if anybody has photos of this bracket, or knows
>>>>>>>>> where I could info on it?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Air Conditioning & Heating
>>>>>>>>> Rotary Compressor Upgrade
>>>>>>>>> Sanden Rotary Compressor
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:57:36 EDT
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden A/Cs
>>>>>>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>>>>>> From the Pantera Database:
>>>>>>>>> Sanden SD-508 R-12 Rotary AC Compressor is sold by Pantera East,
>>>>>>>>> also sold
>>>>>>>>> is a machined aluminum
>>>>>>>>> adapter bracket to replace a York.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: NSakulen at aol.com <mailto:NSakulen at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:15:30 EDT
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] a/c
>>>>>>>>> To: RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>, _detomaso at realbig.com_ 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>        (mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The bracket is from Pantera Performance Center in Colorado. The
>>>>>>>>> Compressor
>>>>>>>>> is a Sanden 508 type. I
>>>>>>>>> got one recommended by an A/C shop I deal with. It's made by ZEXEL
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> Japan P/N 500630-7830.
>>>>>>>>> Distributed by International Components Engineering. I.C.E. P/N 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>        2521152
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>> The alternator mounts to the
>>>>>>>>> right of the compressor and drives off the inside groove on the
>>>>>>>>> compressor. I have some pictures. I don't
>>>>>>>>> have a web site, but I can send them if you email me.
>>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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