[DeTomaso] supercharger question

Fri Aug 14 09:31:51 EDT 2009

Whipple use less drag on the engine and flow more with less heat production than Eatons.

Kenne Bell also does this.

They are a different style than the Eatons roots SC.

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:45:43 -0400
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] supercharger question
From: boyd411 at gmail.com
To: claywillmott at hotmail.com
CC: kirby.schrader at gmail.com; wkooiman at earthlink.net; detomaso at realbig.com

So you are saying a whipple cranks out the ponies?. Does anyone know the formula to determine the supper charger displacement relative to the engine displacement? I know a turbo charger is supposed to put out more horsepower but I don't like the lag and the heat that's why I am asking about a super charger.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:36 PM, clay willmott <claywillmott at hotmail.com> wrote:

I agree the SVT with Eaton are amazing for the money.  I just picked up a 2004 Cobra with light mods and almost 500 RWHP and still has an Eaton.  Would Whipple it but already roasts upgraded wheels and tires at speed.  Not many cars with that much power and dependable for the money.
Although it is way faster than my pantera (71) I still think the pcar handles better on curves and is more fun for driving.  The cobra is more fun for raw acceleration and power though.

Didnt PIM sell a silver 5.4 lightning engined pantera that Steve W constructed awhile back for some big money?

Clay

> From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com
> To: wkooiman at earthlink.net
> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:27:34 -0500
> CC: detomaso at realbig.com

> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] supercharger question
>
>
> OK, Will... I disagree!
>
> My Lightning could ALWAYS use more HP. Except when I'm pulling a 24'
> trailer through the rain uphill...
> :-)
>
> At 122,000 miles, I think I need to experience some extra ponies.
> You wouldn't believe what some guys are getting out of a 'stock' 5.4
> Lightning....
>
>
> On 13 Aug 2009, at 9:19 PM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>
> > Yes - a big can of worms.
> >
> > I've posted before that I had a 93 Mustang Cobra.  It had a warmed
> > over 5.0.
> > Nothing fancy, but plenty fast enough for getting around on the
> > street.
> >
> > After I had it for several years, I finally decided that it would be
> > fun to
> > try a Vortech.  I got the kit designed for about 9lbs of boost.  I
> > forget
> > the model #.  With the Vortech, it was like driving on ice.  The
> > tires spun
> > easily.  Gas mileage did not go down.  It did not have an
> > intercooler/aftercooler.
> >
> > Another data point:  My brother has a 2003 Cobra.  It has a 4.6 dohc
> > with
> > the factory Eaton.  He has done minor mods, mostly just a smaller
> > pulley and
> > a custom tune.  He makes about 430hp to the rear wheels - from
> > 231".  That's
> > impressive.  It has an air-water cooler under the blower.  Some of
> > the 03
> > Cobra guys are getting over 500hp, and probably even 600hp to the rear
> > wheels with fairly simple mods (ported stock blower or upgrade to a
> > Kenne
> > Bell)
> >
> > My opinion - any blower will make more HP than you will use.  A twin
> > screw
> > would be easier to mount.  A centrifugal is a challenge.  A big GMC/
> > BDS
> > would be interesting if you could make it fit.  But... turbos would
> > probably
> > be even easier to mount, plus they'd make more hp.  If you're going
> > to be a
> > bear...
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > ] On
> > Behalf Of Kirby Schrader
> > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:09 PM
> > To: boyd casey
> > Cc: De Tomaso List
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] supercharger question
> >
> >
> > Oh my, Boyd! You've opened ANOTHER can of worms!
> > :-)
> >
> > Just kidding.
> >
> > What little I know...
> >
> > The Eaton rotor type works well with a nice performance increase, but
> > it adds heat as you go for more boost.
> > After all, there are a ton of them out there. I have one on my
> > Lightning.
> >
> > Most everyone going for the ultimate HP gets rid of the Eaton.
> >
> > I now bow to 'those who know'.
> >
> > Kirby
> >
> > On 13 Aug 2009, at 8:52 PM, boyd casey wrote:
> >
> >> Aside from the obvious issues ofhood clearence and rear visability
> >> whic is
> >> the best type of super harger for a cleveland or windsor engine  , a
> >> Paxton
> >> Turbine type , or a top mounted with rotors. If someone can
> >> reccomend a
> >> spscefic brand and the specs ( model #) or size relative to
> >> displacement.
> >>
> >> Boyd
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