[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 39, Issue 2
doug sedon
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Tue Oct 2 08:37:07 EDT 2007
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Upright Rebuilt.. but what the? (F&D Terry)
2. the first day (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
3. Re: the first day (Peter Kovacs)
4. Re: the first day (littofreakydevil at aol.com)
5. Re: Ammeter and voltage regulator question (Daniel C Jones)
6. Re: the first day (NUTS!) (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
7. Re: the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings (michael frazier)
8. Re: the first day (NUTS!) (Ken Green)
9. Re: the first day (NUTS!) (asajay at asajay.com)
10. Re: the first day (NUTS!) (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
11. Road & Track article featuring the Pantera (Garth Rodericks)
12. Re: Camshaft selection (Art Stephens)
13. Re: Camshaft selection (SOBill at aol.com)
14. Re: Upright Rebuilt.. but what the? (JDeRyke at aol.com)
15. Re: the first day (NUTS!) (JDeRyke at aol.com)
16. Re: the first day (NUTS!) (Tomas Gunnarsson)
17. Re: the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings (Tomas Gunnarsson)
18. Calling Bj?rn Carlsson (NPC) (www.ProvaMo.com)
19. Re: Camshaft selection (JDeRyke at aol.com)
20. Wheel Bearing and Spindle experience... (www.ProvaMo.com)
21. Minimum Battery Size? (Art Stephens)
22. Low end torque OR upper RPM power (Fredrik Gustavsson)
23. Re: Minimum Battery Size? (Sean Korb)
24. Parts for SALE > Best Offer! (Dave Jacobson)
25. Wheel Bearing and Spindle experience... (www.ProvaMo.com)
26. Re: Low end torque OR upper RPM power (Art Stephens)
27. Re: the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
28. Re: Low end torque OR upper RPM power (Sean Korb)
29. emails (poemer at comcast.net)
30. Re: the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings (Tomas Gunnarsson)
31. Re: Low end torque OR upper RPM power (G?ran Malmberg)
32. Re: the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings (asajay at asajay.com)
33. Re: Low end torque OR upper RPM power (Mark McWhinney)
34. Re: Compression ratio question (adin at frontier.net)
35. Re: Low end torque OR upper RPM power (Donny Williams)
36. Re: Low end torque OR upper RPM power (G?ran Malmberg)
37. Re: Camshaft selection (Daniel C Jones)
38. Re: the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings (Dagny Kristine Bakken)
39. the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings (Pantera 1887)
40. Re: the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings (www.ProvaMo.com)
41. Re: Parts for SALE > Best Offer! (www.ProvaMo.com)
42. Re: the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
43. Re: ? the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
44. Re: Low end torque OR upper RPM power (Forest Goodhart)
45. Re: the first day (NUTS!) (F&D Terry)
46. MANGUSTA 8MA-1118 (robert)
47. Flame Thrower in Fire Position Re: Camshaft selection
(Mad Dog Antenucci)
48. MANGUSTA 8MA-1118 (Garth Rodericks)
49. Pocono trip report (Mark McWhinney)
50. A guy named Gary Hall in a gunfight???? (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
51. Re: A guy named Gary Hall in a gunfight???? (Fastgrandma at aol.com)
52. Re: A guy named Gary Hall in a gunfight???? (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
53. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1 (Robert Almeida)
54. MANGUSTA 8MA-1118 (dyogi)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 07:42:39 -0400
From: F&D Terry <gt5s at bcpl.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Upright Rebuilt.. but what the?
To: JDeRyke at aol.com
Cc: 6d9gt500 at comcast.net, jwcinvestment at yahoo.com,
detomaso at realbig.com
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I would think threading the inserts would work better to insure they
stay in place.
Fred T.
JDeRyke at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 9/29/07 8:56:21 PM, jwcinvestment at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>
>>I think I read a post in the archives by Jack Deryke where he repaired a
>>simular modification using a short piece of pipe reamed to the proper inside
>>taper and epoxied into the drilled out upright. Jack am I remembering right/
>>
>>
>>
>Correct except I used red Lock-tite not epoxy to seal the reamed steel
>bushing into the upright. There were photos and full details in the Aug 07 POCA
>News. Cheers- J Deryke
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:01:22 -0400
From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] the first day
To: <MikeDrew at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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Mike,
I would like to be one of the first to salute LIEUTENANT COLONEL MIKE DREW
on his first day of being a Colonel. Mike I am very proud of your work and I
am honored to tell people that my friend is a Lieutenant Colonel today.
Thank you for the service to our country and God Bless.
Larry - Cleveland
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:05:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day
To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com, MikeDrew at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
Message-ID: <725245.2387.qm at web80615.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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We don't have to salute when we see him do we??
Congrats regardless
Peter Kovacs
Property Equity & Mortgage Mgmt
209 345-6708
209 523-4919 fx
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Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 7:01:22 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] the first day
Mike,
I would like to be one of the first to salute LIEUTENANT COLONEL MIKE DREW
on his first day of being a Colonel. Mike I am very proud of your work and I
am honored to tell people that my friend is a Lieutenant Colonel today.
Thank you for the service to our country and God Bless.
Larry - Cleveland
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:07:37 -0400
From: littofreakydevil at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day
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Congrats Mike!!! from the younger Larry ;) And thank you from us all!
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Sent: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 7:01 am
Subject: [DeTomaso] the first day
Mike,
I would like to be one of the first to salute LIEUTENANT COLONEL MIKE DREW
on his first day of being a Colonel. Mike I am very proud of your work and I
am honored to tell people that my friend is a Lieutenant Colonel today.
Thank you for the service to our country and God Bless.
Larry - Cleveland
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:13:24 -0500
From: "Daniel C Jones" <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ammeter and voltage regulator question
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I put the multimeter across the
battery teminals and it puts out 14 volts. The ammeter needle does move
when a large load is applied. When I start the car, the needle swings
negative but quickly returns to zero. Same with turning on the radiator
fans or interior fan. At idle, with the fans, the needle swings slightly
negative (within the needle width) and goes slightly positive as soon as
a little RPM is introduced. I put nearly 200 miles on the car this
weekend without any trouble so I guess I was just being paranoid.
Thanks Again,
Dan Jones
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:24:45 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)
To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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Thanks Larry!
Unfortunately I'll be spending my first day as a Lt Col thrashing on my
Pantera (and not behind the wheel).
Yesterday was a beautiful day, and as PCNC had been invited to display their
Panteras at the free comedy festival in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco, I
fired up my Pantera and headed that way. I have an old friend from college
who lives south of the city, so the plan was to pick him up and then join the
PCNC convoy to the park.
The drive was perfectly normal until I exited the freeway near his house.
Suddenly there was a painful SCRREEEEEE noise from the left front, and the
steering jerked to the left, as though the left brake had applied itself.
A second later it was fine.
Huh?
I continued along, and a few second later, the steering wheel jerked to the
left again, just for a second, and then all was normal. Or so it felt. But
I knew something was wrong. I was thinking that perhaps a bolt had fallen
out of the brake caliper or something?
I very carefully limped the two remaining blocks to my friend's house, ears
cocked and fingertips on the wheel to feel anything untoward. Near his house
I heard a wocka wocka wocka sound from the left front.
I pulled in front of his house, busted out his floor jack, raised the front
end and found the wheel flopping all around--deathly loose wheel bearing. I
pulled the wheel off, then the dust cap, and found this:
http://members.aol.com/mikeldrew/nut.jpg
The nut which secures the hub features a lip which is intended to be peened
into a slot milled into the spindle. The lip had shattered, allowing the nut
to back off until it hit the cotter pin, which is the only thing that kept the
whole assembly from falling apart.
Note that most Panteras (mine included) don't come with provisions for a
cotter pin--under advisement from this forum many years ago, I drilled my spindles
and added them. I'm sure glad I did!
In retrospect, I would have been better off inserting shims between the face
of the nut and the cotter pin, which would have prevented it from backing off
in the event of failure.
Anyway, I tightened the nut a little, removed the cotter pin, then removed
the nut. The rotor/hub were sloppy loose on the spindle and I hoped that I
could simply withdraw them, change the bearing, and be back on my way.
Unfortunately, when I pulled the metal retainer off and got a look at the
bearing, it looked pretty grim.
http://members.aol.com/mikeldrew/badbearing.jpg
The rollers in the bearing had literally MELTED and fused into solid masses
of metal. The inner portion of the outer bearing is stuck firmly to the
spindle. Fortunately the bearing had slipped outward from its proper location
about 1/4 inch before it happened, so the proper area of the spindle may be
untouched.
I buttoned everything back up, and we took my buddy's Toyota to the comedy
festival. That evening I called AAA for the tow home (gotta love the 100-mile
tow program!); it took two and a half hours for the tow truck to arrive, and
it was another two and a half hours before I was home. I gingerly drove the
car onto and off the truck, and into the garage.
Now I have to pull the spindle/rotor off, and I'm going to take it to Chris
Difani's barn where he will use a variety of sophisticated tools and techniques
to extract everything without damaging the rare and expensive spindle--I
hope!!!
Mike
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:48:57 -0500
From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings
To: <mikeldrew at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-W24A1117735D813C1E860A2B9AD0 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
On my cars I use the stock nut and remove the raised lip which is meant to be peened into the slot on the spindle. The raised part is thin and will easily erode like yours did if something is not right. Just a few minutes with a grinder and a file produces a regular nut. I get a stamped steel castle retainer like that used on most cars from NAPA. Fit everthing back together so you know the right location to drill a hole in the spindle for the cotter pin. The metal is pretty soft and easy to drill. It's a really simple mod, you can do both sides in a hour. Works for me.
Michael
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:51:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)
To: MikeLDrew at aol.com, larry at ohiotimecorp.com, detomaso at realbig.com
Message-ID: <108012.63620.qm at web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I've seen split spindle nuts with a screw across the split so they can be tightened to retain the spindle nut's position. Does anyone know if that is a generally accepted solution?
Ken
MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
Thanks Larry!
Unfortunately I'll be spending my first day as a Lt Col thrashing on my
Pantera (and not behind the wheel).
Yesterday was a beautiful day, and as PCNC had been invited to display their
Panteras at the free comedy festival in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco, I
fired up my Pantera and headed that way. I have an old friend from college
who lives south of the city, so the plan was to pick him up and then join the
PCNC convoy to the park.
The drive was perfectly normal until I exited the freeway near his house.
Suddenly there was a painful SCRREEEEEE noise from the left front, and the
steering jerked to the left, as though the left brake had applied itself.
A second later it was fine.
Huh?
I continued along, and a few second later, the steering wheel jerked to the
left again, just for a second, and then all was normal. Or so it felt. But
I knew something was wrong. I was thinking that perhaps a bolt had fallen
out of the brake caliper or something?
I very carefully limped the two remaining blocks to my friend's house, ears
cocked and fingertips on the wheel to feel anything untoward. Near his house
I heard a wocka wocka wocka sound from the left front.
I pulled in front of his house, busted out his floor jack, raised the front
end and found the wheel flopping all around--deathly loose wheel bearing. I
pulled the wheel off, then the dust cap, and found this:
http://members.aol.com/mikeldrew/nut.jpg
The nut which secures the hub features a lip which is intended to be peened
into a slot milled into the spindle. The lip had shattered, allowing the nut
to back off until it hit the cotter pin, which is the only thing that kept the
whole assembly from falling apart.
Note that most Panteras (mine included) don't come with provisions for a
cotter pin--under advisement from this forum many years ago, I drilled my spindles
and added them. I'm sure glad I did!
In retrospect, I would have been better off inserting shims between the face
of the nut and the cotter pin, which would have prevented it from backing off
in the event of failure.
Anyway, I tightened the nut a little, removed the cotter pin, then removed
the nut. The rotor/hub were sloppy loose on the spindle and I hoped that I
could simply withdraw them, change the bearing, and be back on my way.
Unfortunately, when I pulled the metal retainer off and got a look at the
bearing, it looked pretty grim.
http://members.aol.com/mikeldrew/badbearing.jpg
The rollers in the bearing had literally MELTED and fused into solid masses
of metal. The inner portion of the outer bearing is stuck firmly to the
spindle. Fortunately the bearing had slipped outward from its proper location
about 1/4 inch before it happened, so the proper area of the spindle may be
untouched.
I buttoned everything back up, and we took my buddy's Toyota to the comedy
festival. That evening I called AAA for the tow home (gotta love the 100-mile
tow program!); it took two and a half hours for the tow truck to arrive, and
it was another two and a half hours before I was home. I gingerly drove the
car onto and off the truck, and into the garage.
Now I have to pull the spindle/rotor off, and I'm going to take it to Chris
Difani's barn where he will use a variety of sophisticated tools and techniques
to extract everything without damaging the rare and expensive spindle--I
hope!!!
Mike
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:08:47 -0700
From: asajay at asajay.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)
To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
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Quoting MikeLDrew at aol.com:
> I heard a wocka wocka wocka sound from the left front.
That would have been a Fozzie Bear stuck in the caliper assembly.
Asa Jay
<sorry, just couldn't resist.>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:12:51 -0400
From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)
To: "'Ken Green'" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <S5255934AbXJAQSl/20071001161844Z+467 at realbig.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Ken
I would not use a set screw as a locking nut. I would use real castle nuts
or do what Michael Frazier just said to do.
Larry ("nuts") - Cleveland
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From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:52 AM
To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; larry at ohiotimecorp.com; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)
I've seen split spindle nuts with a screw across the split so they can be
tightened to retain the spindle nut's position. Does anyone know if that is
a generally accepted solution?
Ken
MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
Thanks Larry!
Unfortunately I'll be spending my first day as a Lt Col thrashing on my
Pantera (and not behind the wheel).
Yesterday was a beautiful day, and as PCNC had been invited to display their
Panteras at the free comedy festival in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco, I
fired up my Pantera and headed that way. I have an old friend from college
who lives south of the city, so the plan was to pick him up and then join
the
PCNC convoy to the park.
The drive was perfectly normal until I exited the freeway near his house.
Suddenly there was a painful SCRREEEEEE noise from the left front, and the
steering jerked to the left, as though the left brake had applied itself.
A second later it was fine.
Huh?
I continued along, and a few second later, the steering wheel jerked to the
left again, just for a second, and then all was normal. Or so it felt. But
I knew something was wrong. I was thinking that perhaps a bolt had fallen
out of the brake caliper or something?
I very carefully limped the two remaining blocks to my friend's house, ears
cocked and fingertips on the wheel to feel anything untoward. Near his house
I heard a wocka wocka wocka sound from the left front.
I pulled in front of his house, busted out his floor jack, raised the front
end and found the wheel flopping all around--deathly loose wheel bearing. I
pulled the wheel off, then the dust cap, and found this:
http://members.aol.com/mikeldrew/nut.jpg
The nut which secures the hub features a lip which is intended to be peened
into a slot milled into the spindle. The lip had shattered, allowing the nut
to back off until it hit the cotter pin, which is the only thing that kept
the
whole assembly from falling apart.
Note that most Panteras (mine included) don't come with provisions for a
cotter pin--under advisement from this forum many years ago, I drilled my
spindles
and added them. I'm sure glad I did!
In retrospect, I would have been better off inserting shims between the face
of the nut and the cotter pin, which would have prevented it from backing
off
in the event of failure.
Anyway, I tightened the nut a little, removed the cotter pin, then removed
the nut. The rotor/hub were sloppy loose on the spindle and I hoped that I
could simply withdraw them, change the bearing, and be back on my way.
Unfortunately, when I pulled the metal retainer off and got a look at the
bearing, it looked pretty grim.
http://members.aol.com/mikeldrew/badbearing.jpg
The rollers in the bearing had literally MELTED and fused into solid masses
of metal. The inner portion of the outer bearing is stuck firmly to the
spindle. Fortunately the bearing had slipped outward from its proper
location
about 1/4 inch before it happened, so the proper area of the spindle may be
untouched.
I buttoned everything back up, and we took my buddy's Toyota to the comedy
festival. That evening I called AAA for the tow home (gotta love the
100-mile
tow program!); it took two and a half hours for the tow truck to arrive, and
it was another two and a half hours before I was home. I gingerly drove the
car onto and off the truck, and into the garage.
Now I have to pull the spindle/rotor off, and I'm going to take it to Chris
Difani's barn where he will use a variety of sophisticated tools and
techniques
to extract everything without damaging the rare and expensive spindle--I
hope!!!
Mike
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:42:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track article featuring the Pantera
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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Nice article in the November '07 issue of Road & Track (at your newsstand now) about the Pantera. Overall flattering and good press for our marque. Value range for prospective buyers is grossly optimistic though.
Cheers!
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:48:21 -0700
From: "Art Stephens" <artstephens at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camshaft selection
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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"Compression ratio: ~10.5:1 with flat pistons (I'm not sure if 10.5:1 is
enough)"
Fredrik,
Some would say that 10.5:1 is too much. I think it depends a lot on
how you intend to use the car. You can review the recent thread,
"Compression Ratio Question", for more info.
Art
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:56:46 EDT
From: SOBill at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camshaft selection
To: artstephens at charter.net, detomaso at realbig.com
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Art,
The article at >>>>>http://www.empirenet.com/pkelley2/DynamicCR.html is
really worth studying.
It describes the relationship between static and dynamic compression ratios.
Unfortunately, I can't recall who posted the link. Could you pass the link
on to Fredrik?
Have fun,
SOBill Taylor
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:58:52 EDT
From: JDeRyke at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Upright Rebuilt.. but what the?
To: gt5s at bcpl.net, JDeRyke at aol.com
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In a message dated 10/1/07 4:43:06 AM, gt5s at bcpl.net writes:
> I would think threading the inserts would work better to insure they stay
> in place.
>
Correct. As I said in the article, the bushing was threaded 1/2- pipe, then
sealed with red Lock-tite for insurance. Cheers- JdeRyke
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:07:38 EDT
From: JDeRyke at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com, MikeLDrew at aol.com, larry at ohiotimecorp.com,
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In a message dated 10/1/07 8:52:45 AM, kenn_green at yahoo.com writes:
> I've seen split spindle nuts with a screw across the split so they can be
> tightened to retain the spindle nut's position.? Does anyone know if that is a
> generally accepted solution?
> ??
> Sure is; Porsche uses it in millions of their street cars. Problem is,
Porsche uses a smaller spindle thread so their off-the-shelf nuts won't fit the
heftier Pantera spindle. Jerry Pentalieri in S Carolina made a bunch of
heat-treated split nuts for his Pantera and a few of his friends, but when he sold his
machine shop, any more extras went away. FWIW, Pantera spindles are threaded
18x 1.5 metric. Cheers-J DeRyke
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:02:23 +0200
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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I have those on my Mercedes W124. It's the first time I've seen that solution but of that model alone some 2.5 million cars were built. If it was an issue it'd probably be known by now.
Tomas
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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)
> I've seen split spindle nuts with a screw across the split so they can be tightened to retain the spindle nut's position. Does anyone know if that is a generally accepted solution?
>
> Ken
>
> MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
> Thanks Larry!
>
> Unfortunately I'll be spending my first day as a Lt Col thrashing on my
> Pantera (and not behind the wheel).
>
> Yesterday was a beautiful day, and as PCNC had been invited to display their
> Panteras at the free comedy festival in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco, I
> fired up my Pantera and headed that way. I have an old friend from college
> who lives south of the city, so the plan was to pick him up and then join the
> PCNC convoy to the park.
>
> The drive was perfectly normal until I exited the freeway near his house.
> Suddenly there was a painful SCRREEEEEE noise from the left front, and the
> steering jerked to the left, as though the left brake had applied itself.
>
> A second later it was fine.
>
> Huh?
>
> I continued along, and a few second later, the steering wheel jerked to the
> left again, just for a second, and then all was normal. Or so it felt. But
> I knew something was wrong. I was thinking that perhaps a bolt had fallen
> out of the brake caliper or something?
>
> I very carefully limped the two remaining blocks to my friend's house, ears
> cocked and fingertips on the wheel to feel anything untoward. Near his house
> I heard a wocka wocka wocka sound from the left front.
>
> I pulled in front of his house, busted out his floor jack, raised the front
> end and found the wheel flopping all around--deathly loose wheel bearing. I
> pulled the wheel off, then the dust cap, and found this:
>
> http://members.aol.com/mikeldrew/nut.jpg
>
> The nut which secures the hub features a lip which is intended to be peened
> into a slot milled into the spindle. The lip had shattered, allowing the nut
> to back off until it hit the cotter pin, which is the only thing that kept the
> whole assembly from falling apart.
>
> Note that most Panteras (mine included) don't come with provisions for a
> cotter pin--under advisement from this forum many years ago, I drilled my spindles
> and added them. I'm sure glad I did!
>
> In retrospect, I would have been better off inserting shims between the face
> of the nut and the cotter pin, which would have prevented it from backing off
> in the event of failure.
>
> Anyway, I tightened the nut a little, removed the cotter pin, then removed
> the nut. The rotor/hub were sloppy loose on the spindle and I hoped that I
> could simply withdraw them, change the bearing, and be back on my way.
>
> Unfortunately, when I pulled the metal retainer off and got a look at the
> bearing, it looked pretty grim.
>
> http://members.aol.com/mikeldrew/badbearing.jpg
>
> The rollers in the bearing had literally MELTED and fused into solid masses
> of metal. The inner portion of the outer bearing is stuck firmly to the
> spindle. Fortunately the bearing had slipped outward from its proper location
> about 1/4 inch before it happened, so the proper area of the spindle may be
> untouched.
>
> I buttoned everything back up, and we took my buddy's Toyota to the comedy
> festival. That evening I called AAA for the tow home (gotta love the 100-mile
> tow program!); it took two and a half hours for the tow truck to arrive, and
> it was another two and a half hours before I was home. I gingerly drove the
> car onto and off the truck, and into the garage.
>
> Now I have to pull the spindle/rotor off, and I'm going to take it to Chris
> Difani's barn where he will use a variety of sophisticated tools and techniques
> to extract everything without damaging the rare and expensive spindle--I
> hope!!!
>
> Mike
>
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:11:44 +0200
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings
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I have the peen type spindles too on my car. I bought new nuts and had them milled with six slots in the lip. I then drilled the spindle twice 90 degrees apart like I've had on other cars I've owned. The resulting step in adjustment is small enough for me.
What seems to have gone wrong in Mike's case is that the washer between the nut and the bearing looks like it's begun to spin. Unless that washer comes loose there is no turning force on the nut and hence no shearing load on the nut. It's important to A: have a healthy tounge on that washer to fit the spindle axle groove and B: not have an oversize washer which flops around on the axle.
Tomas
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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:48 PM
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>
> On my cars I use the stock nut and remove the raised lip which is meant to be peened into the slot on the spindle. The raised part is thin and will easily erode like yours did if something is not right. Just a few minutes with a grinder and a file produces a regular nut. I get a stamped steel castle retainer like that used on most cars from NAPA. Fit everthing back together so you know the right location to drill a hole in the spindle for the cotter pin. The metal is pretty soft and easy to drill. It's a really simple mod, you can do both sides in a hour. Works for me.
> Michael
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:22:52 -0700
From: "www.ProvaMo.com"; <Pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Calling Bj?rn Carlsson (NPC)
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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Bj?rn Carlsson,
Please contact me directly.
Chuck Melton
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:38:25 EDT
From: JDeRyke at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camshaft selection
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10-1/2:1 should be fine with the hi-octane gas you mention and the aluminum
CHI cylinder heads, but I wouldn't go higher or you could wind up being forced
to run aviation fuel or expensive racing gas, or severely retarded ignition
timing. If a std lift roller cam and notched lifters is put into a 351-C,
you'll get 16 massive oil leaks each time the cam revolves! So, some retrofit
roller cams use cut down cam cores to keep the roller wheels from protruding into
the huge oil galleries behind the tappet bosses. The thinner camshaft will
then be a little weaker than normal and will twist under heavy valve spring
loads, which unfortunately must be used with the 351-C's big valves and heavy
hydraulic roller lifters. Running such a cam at high revs might cause camshaft
breakage or at least give flexible camshaft timing to confuse your tuning
efforts.
What seems to work better for street cars is shrouded-roller hydraulic
lifters that use slightly smaller rollers with a lifter body that is cylindrical all
the way down past the roller wheel. So normal cam lift doesn't cause an oil
leak and a stronger normal-thickness camshaft can be used. Crane uses such
lifters on some retrofit roller cams. As always, for a specific cam for an engine,
I recommend calling a few cam grinders on their Tech Lines and asking the
people who build the things for advice.
A last note- my Ford-SVO A-3 aluminum cylinder heads specify no more than 175
lbs closed valve spring pressure. Any heavier and the hard valve seats will
begin to sink into the soft aluminum. Open pressure is not a problem. Good luck
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:49:09 -0700
From: "www.ProvaMo.com"; <Pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheel Bearing and Spindle experience...
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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Mike,
I?m putting together the details (to go with my images) of my bad bearing
experience.
I think you will find them rather enlightening (if not also amusing, or
scary!).
I?ll send you the link shortly.
Chuck
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:09:38 -0700
From: "Art Stephens" <artstephens at charter.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Minimum Battery Size?
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Ever since installing a new ground cable from my trans to the chassis, my battery has been unstoppable. In the interest of keeping the weight down, I would like to run the lightest battery that will get the job done. My current battery is a group 65 Bosch, rated at 875 CCA. Ok, whose got the smallest battery?
Thanks,
Art
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:15:49 +0200
From: "Fredrik Gustavsson" <pantera at kommevalla.se>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Low end torque OR upper RPM power
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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When building a street engine; what is the goal? Low end torque or upper
RPM power?
Stupid question maybe but I'm still learning!
Thanks
Fredrik
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:15:27 -0400
From: "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Minimum Battery Size?
To: "Art Stephens" <artstephens at charter.net>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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5.1lbs.
http://www.ev-battery.com/Batteries/PricesDoc.html
It's a little pricey.
On 10/1/07, Art Stephens <artstephens at charter.net> wrote:
>
> Ever since installing a new ground cable from my trans to the
> chassis, my battery has been unstoppable. In the interest of keeping the
> weight down, I would like to run the lightest battery that will get the job
> done. My current battery is a group 65 Bosch, rated at 875
> CCA. Ok, whose got the smallest battery?
>
> Thanks,
> Art
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:33:33 -0700
From: "Dave Jacobson" <boxxboys at socal.rr.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Parts for SALE > Best Offer!
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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Still have a few original parts from my 1972 Pre L.
Steering wheel (complete)
Radio delete plate (black-new-never used)
Brake booster & master
Half-shafts (h-d)
Chrome sway bars with poly/logo bushings (front-rear/pitted-paint for use)
Charcoal canister for venting fuel vapors
I can send pictures to anyone interested. best offer + UPS Ground to you.
Thanks for looking...
Dave # 3463
818.807.4289
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:36:13 -0700
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheel Bearing and Spindle experience...
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Mike,
I?m putting together the details (to go with my images) of my bad bearing
experience.
I think you will find them rather enlightening (if not also amusing, or
scary!).
I?ll send you the link shortly.
Chuck
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:37:09 -0700
From: "Art Stephens" <artstephens at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Low end torque OR upper RPM power
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Fredrik,
My preference for the street would be an engine with good low/mid range
torque. I test drove a Pantera one time with a claimed HP peak of 600. It
was fun once you got to 5500 rpm, below that, it was a real dog. I got
back into my car that had about 315 HP and maybe 350-360 lbs of torque, and
it was way more fun to drive.
Art
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> When building a street engine; what is the goal? Low end torque or upper
> RPM power?
>
> Stupid question maybe but I'm still learning!
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Fredrik
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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:37:38 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings
To: guson at home.se, detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 10/1/07 10 17 42, guson at home.se writes:
>
>
> What seems to have gone wrong in Mike's case is that the washer between the
> nut and the bearing looks like it's begun to spin. Unless that washer comes
> loose there is no turning force on the nut and hence no shearing load on the
> nut. It's important to A: have a healthy tounge on that washer to fit the
> spindle axle groove and B: not have an oversize washer which flops around on the
> axle.
>
>>>That's exactly right. In fact the tongue on that washer was stripped
away also. Rotation of the bearing could thus spin the washer, which in turn
could turn the nut.
Curiously, the left spindle is reverse thread so that any unwanted rotation
would tend to tighten, not loosen the nut. I can only assume that the nut
loosened while backing out of the garage, and then was loose for the whole drive
down to San Francisco? Odd that there were no indications for over an hour
of driving though.
Mike
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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:39:56 -0400
From: "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Low end torque OR upper RPM power
To: panteralist <detomaso at realbig.com>
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On 10/1/07, Fredrik Gustavsson <pantera at kommevalla.se> wrote:
>
> When building a street engine; what is the goal? Low end torque or upper
> RPM power?
>
> Stupid question maybe but I'm still learning!
It's not a stupid question. If you're a Pantera person, you want it all, so
why not both?
You do have to figure out what is useful to you, and realize that whatever
you settle on, you'll want more. I find it useful to think of Horsepower as
what I need to go very fast, and Torque is what I need to get there. Since
torque is a component of power, it gets confusing and we start using math so
it gets a little dreary sometimes.
The answer is different depending on what you want to do. A 500HP engine
can be a peaky beast, and traffic can be unpleasant since you need to keep
the revs up, but you'll do fantastic if you don't have any traffic (at a
track event, of course). I just like to take people for a ride to about
120MPH and back down to 80 fairly quickly due to my allergy to Crown
Victoria back seats. That's also the range I expect to use at a Solo II
event, so a high torque motor is what I want; I only expect about 350HP.
Of course, with boost or large displacement... you can have both :)
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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:46:53 +0000
From: poemer at comcast.net
Subject: [DeTomaso] emails
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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I have been away from my computer for 5 days and there have been no postings from the forum. Has my server decided that I no longer need the information ? I hope not.
Tom
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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:50:45 +0200
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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The setup is normally such that the nut loosens with forward direction wheel rotation which indicates that your car has a RH thread on the left spindle, correct?
Tomas
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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings
>
> In a message dated 10/1/07 10 17 42, guson at home.se writes:
>>
>>
>> What seems to have gone wrong in Mike's case is that the washer between the
>> nut and the bearing looks like it's begun to spin. Unless that washer comes
>> loose there is no turning force on the nut and hence no shearing load on the
>> nut. It's important to A: have a healthy tounge on that washer to fit the
>> spindle axle groove and B: not have an oversize washer which flops around on the
>> axle.
>>
>
>>>>That's exactly right. In fact the tongue on that washer was stripped
> away also. Rotation of the bearing could thus spin the washer, which in turn
> could turn the nut.
>
> Curiously, the left spindle is reverse thread so that any unwanted rotation
> would tend to tighten, not loosen the nut. I can only assume that the nut
> loosened while backing out of the garage, and then was loose for the whole drive
> down to San Francisco? Odd that there were no indications for over an hour
> of driving though.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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Message: 31
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:54:02 +0200
From: G?ran Malmberg <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Low end torque OR upper RPM power
To: "Fredrik Gustavsson" <pantera at kommevalla.se>,
<detomaso at realbig.com>
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Just a little correction here.
The question is if we want low or high rpm torque.
Then, if we want hig power torque must be higher up
on the rpm scale.
Goran
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fredrik Gustavsson" <pantera at kommevalla.se>
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Low end torque OR upper RPM power
> When building a street engine; what is the goal? Low end torque or upper
> RPM power?
>
> Stupid question maybe but I'm still learning!
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Fredrik
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Message: 32
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:03:28 -0700
From: asajay at asajay.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings
To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
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Quoting MikeLDrew at aol.com:
> I can only assume that the nut
> loosened while backing out of the garage, and then was loose for the
> whole drive
> down to San Francisco? Odd that there were no indications for over an hour
> of driving though.
I for one, am thankful it didn't go out on the freeway, as that could
have been catastrophic to both the Pantera, -and- you. Glad you are
safe.
Asa Jay
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Message: 33
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:03:46 -0700
From: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Low end torque OR upper RPM power
To: "'Fredrik Gustavsson'" <pantera at kommevalla.se>,
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Hi Fredrik,
In the US where the speed limit is about 100 kph, we generally like big,
loud engines that can spin the tires and can go quickly from 0 to 100 kph.
We like low end torque.
The question is what do you want? How do you drive?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:16 AM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Low end torque OR upper RPM power
When building a street engine; what is the goal? Low end torque or upper
RPM power?
Stupid question maybe but I'm still learning!
Thanks
Fredrik
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Message: 34
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:29:22 -0600
From: adin at frontier.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Compression ratio question
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Try:
http://www.kb-silvolite.com/article.php?action=read&A_id=36
http://www.kb-silvolite.com/calc.php?action=comp2
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Message: 35
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:35:19 -0700
From: "Donny Williams" <Donnylee at ccwebster.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Low end torque OR upper RPM power
To: "Fredrik Gustavsson" <pantera at kommevalla.se>,
<detomaso at realbig.com>
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The Cleveland does not make a ton of bottom to begin with in the stock
configuration it really is best suited as a high revving engine IMHO with
the huge breathing heads. I built mine with excellent mid-top pull
3400-6800 right were I like to spend my time, and the sound spinning it out,
nothing quite like it! Its very driveable and not to terrible lazy below
that, as built about like stock on the bottom end. Yes if I drop my clutch
its a smoke show on the 13 inch wide radials (Do not recommend either) For
me nothing worse then an engine power curve dumping quickly downward at
4,800 RPM!
But you were right, you will get varying opinions and likes....The 351 is no
torque monster to begin with its a small block bore with gaping heads able
to pump some serious CFM (Mine 320 at 600).....When you try to build one for
bottom end..you will end up with a poor upper end pooch! Its a road car,
not for stoplight terror.....Theres better cars for that. On a 30 MPH roll
an engine like mine is serious business from there on out.
With Goran....All bets are off.......He's BB Hemi'fied himself.....Different
ANIMAL!
My experience opinions with it.....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fredrik Gustavsson" <pantera at kommevalla.se>
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Low end torque OR upper RPM power
> When building a street engine; what is the goal? Low end torque or upper
> RPM power?
>
> Stupid question maybe but I'm still learning!
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Fredrik
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Message: 36
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:06:43 +0200
From: G?ran Malmberg <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Low end torque OR upper RPM power
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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Maybe I am expressing myself wrong. If we build an engine for low rpm
efficency it is said to have good Tq and if its built for high rpm efficency
we call it Hp. I wonder why that is? What we are doing in both cases
is to get the best possible Ve, only at different rpm:s.
Goran
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Message: 37
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:33:00 -0500
From: "Daniel C Jones" <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camshaft selection
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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To get 500 HP from a naturally aspirated 351 cubic inch engine is
pushing the streetable envelope. You'll want a solid lifter flat
tappet cam in the 0.600" lift range, 290+ degrees on the seat (240+
degrees @ 0.050" lift, 108 LSA) and probably a bit more compression.
You mention EFI. Make sure it is speed density or alpha-n, not mass
air with that sort of overlap and lobe centers.
You need a really good exhaust with a narrow lobe center cam.
You mention Euro GTS mufflers. We lost 50 HP through those on a
470 HP engine. 3" inlet/outlet Magnaflows got it all back.
You'll probably be happier with a little less cam, say 230 to 236
degrees @ 0.050" with 108 lobe centers. I can get more specific
with a recommendation if you can tell me whether you want to use
a hydraulic or a solid cam and either roller or flat tappets.
BTW, the 185 cc heads aren't going to behave like 4V Cleveland
heads. They will not have that comes on at 3000+ RPM. They
will ramp up more smoothly.
Dan Jones
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Message: 38
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:10:08 +0200
From: "Dagny Kristine Bakken" <dagny-kr at online.no>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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Curiously, the left spindle is reverse thread so that any unwanted rotation
would tend to tighten, not loosen the nut. I can only assume that the nut
loosened while backing out of the garage, and then was loose for the whole
drive
down to San Francisco? Odd that there were no indications for over an hour
of driving though.
Mike
The tapered roller bearing set up in the pantera,is the most common,and a
good set up for the front wheels,on a rear drive car.However they need a
different treatment than many other bearing solutions.As the bearings expand
from heat when driving,its imperativ that the bearings are tightend until no
slack are felt from wiggeling the wheel,and then backed of until a little
amount of slack is felt.This will allow the bearing to expand withought the
bearing going too tight,causing more heat,and finally locking the
bearingraces together,with the small innerrace spinning around on the
shaft,as it only have a small contact area with a slide fit,in opposition to
the outer race that are pressed in the hub.Due to these facts,its important
to have a nut that can be used to adjust the right play,and a proper locking
device that not only hold the nut almost rocksteady,but can withstand the
turning forses applied if a inner race are spinning.As a double
security,some manufacture their spindle with proper threads,so that if it
against all odds slipps,the nut will tighten to lock the wheel up,causing
drag to warn the driver,instead of the option to in worst case,loose the
wheel.Its also good to have the bearings out now and then ,to clean them
from old grease,inspect for wear and repack them with new grease,as this
make them last longer,and prevent bearing collapse.And Mike,if your spindle
are badly damaged,pleace let me know,as i have an extra for you if you need
:)
Best regards
?yvind Bakken
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Message: 39
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:02:27 -0400
From: "Pantera 1887" <panteraplace at hotmail.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com
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Mike,
Sounds like you may have over tightened the nut and put pre-load on the
bearing. There was a article in one of the Pantera mags or websites that
had the adjustment procedure incorrect. Can't remember for sure but I think
someone else wiped out a spindle from not having free play in the bearing.
Mike
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Message: 40
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:34:38 -0700
From: "www.ProvaMo.com"; <Pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings
To: "'Pantera 1887'" <panteraplace at hotmail.com>,
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com
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Mike Drew,
Well I just checked the procedure on my website, and it is correct.
I do remember seeing a procedure elsewhere I didn't agree with.
A common mistake is to torque to foot pounds. The setting is in INCH
pounds. (I clearly emphasize that point!)
The old guy technique was to spin the wheel by hand and insure that it would
rotate freely. (But how hard does one spin it?) I can't recommend just
this method.
I prefer to torque it to spec. Then test it's free spin just for back up or
for the fun of it. With a decent spin mine would roll for a long-long time.
I had a bearing failure, but it was well past the last maintenance task,
thousands of miles actually, so pre-load was not the cause.
Mike (Drew), how long (in miles) has it been since you did any bearing
maintenance? (Idle years don't count!)
Chuck
Mike,
Sounds like you may have over tightened the nut and put pre-load on the
bearing. There was a article in one of the Pantera mags or websites that
had the adjustment procedure incorrect. Can't remember for sure but I think
someone else wiped out a spindle from not having free play in the bearing.
Mike
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Message: 41
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:40:33 -0700
From: "www.ProvaMo.com"; <Pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Parts for SALE > Best Offer!
To: "'Dave Jacobson'" <boxxboys at socal.rr.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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Here is a good example of the need for a DeTomaso swap meet!
The west coast tradition was started by the San Diego club, and Bill
Honhorst and Alan Foster. That was a great event. I went many times.
(Traveling hundreds of miles one way.)
PCNC hosted more than one swap meet, which was well received, even in Nor
Cal.
TPOC hosted two or three, which I thoroughly enjoyed.
It didn't happen this past summer, too many other things going on perhaps.
I look forward to "someone" picking up the torch, and carrying on the
tradition.
Chuck Melton
Still have a few original parts from my 1972 Pre L.
Steering wheel (complete)
Radio delete plate (black-new-never used)
Brake booster & master
Half-shafts (h-d)
Chrome sway bars with poly/logo bushings (front-rear/pitted-paint for use)
Charcoal canister for venting fuel vapors
I can send pictures to anyone interested. best offer + UPS Ground to you.
Thanks for looking...
Dave # 3463
818.807.4289
boxxboys at socal.rr.com
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Message: 42
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:00:11 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings
To: guson at home.se, detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 10/1/07 11 51 35, guson at home.se writes:
> The setup is normally such that the nut loosens with forward direction
> wheel rotation which indicates that your car has a RH thread on the left spindle,
> correct?
>
Actually, the setup is normally that the nut TIGHTENS with forward motion.
The right side has standard threads, the left side has reverse threads.
My Cobra's knock-off hubs are set up exactly opposite to this.
Could it be that when my car was reassembled the spindles were switched
side-to-side? Seems highly unlikely....
Mike
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Message: 43
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:14:46 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ? the first day (NUTS!)Wheel bearings
To: Pantera007 at sbcglobal.net, detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 10/1/07 15 35 0, Pantera007 at sbcglobal.net writes:
> Mike (Drew), how long (in miles) has it been since you did any bearing
> maintenance?? (Idle years don't count!)
>
Hmm. Probably about 3000 miles or so?
Once I tear the system apart I'll be able to do some analysis and try to
determine if the failure was caused by inadquate lubrication, improper torque, or
????
Mike
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Message: 44
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:11:12 -0700
From: "Forest Goodhart" <forestg at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Low end torque OR upper RPM power
To: "panteralist" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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Ah yes, there is no replacement for displacement.
forest
> Of course, with boost or large displacement... you can have both :)
>
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Message: 45
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:02:14 -0400
From: F&D Terry <gt5s at bcpl.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] the first day (NUTS!)
To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
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VW used this method for years.
Fred T.
Ken Green wrote:
>I've seen split spindle nuts with a screw across the split so they can be tightened to retain the spindle nut's position. Does anyone know if that is a generally accepted solution?
>
> Ken
>
>MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
> Thanks Larry!
>
>Unfortunately I'll be spending my first day as a Lt Col thrashing on my
>Pantera (and not behind the wheel).
>
>Yesterday was a beautiful day, and as PCNC had been invited to display their
>Panteras at the free comedy festival in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco, I
>fired up my Pantera and headed that way. I have an old friend from college
>who lives south of the city, so the plan was to pick him up and then join the
>PCNC convoy to the park.
>
>The drive was perfectly normal until I exited the freeway near his house.
>Suddenly there was a painful SCRREEEEEE noise from the left front, and the
>steering jerked to the left, as though the left brake had applied itself.
>
>A second later it was fine.
>
>Huh?
>
>I continued along, and a few second later, the steering wheel jerked to the
>left again, just for a second, and then all was normal. Or so it felt. But
>I knew something was wrong. I was thinking that perhaps a bolt had fallen
>out of the brake caliper or something?
>
>I very carefully limped the two remaining blocks to my friend's house, ears
>cocked and fingertips on the wheel to feel anything untoward. Near his house
>I heard a wocka wocka wocka sound from the left front.
>
>I pulled in front of his house, busted out his floor jack, raised the front
>end and found the wheel flopping all around--deathly loose wheel bearing. I
>pulled the wheel off, then the dust cap, and found this:
>
>http://members.aol.com/mikeldrew/nut.jpg
>
>The nut which secures the hub features a lip which is intended to be peened
>into a slot milled into the spindle. The lip had shattered, allowing the nut
>to back off until it hit the cotter pin, which is the only thing that kept the
>whole assembly from falling apart.
>
>Note that most Panteras (mine included) don't come with provisions for a
>cotter pin--under advisement from this forum many years ago, I drilled my spindles
>and added them. I'm sure glad I did!
>
>In retrospect, I would have been better off inserting shims between the face
>of the nut and the cotter pin, which would have prevented it from backing off
>in the event of failure.
>
>Anyway, I tightened the nut a little, removed the cotter pin, then removed
>the nut. The rotor/hub were sloppy loose on the spindle and I hoped that I
>could simply withdraw them, change the bearing, and be back on my way.
>
>Unfortunately, when I pulled the metal retainer off and got a look at the
>bearing, it looked pretty grim.
>
>http://members.aol.com/mikeldrew/badbearing.jpg
>
>The rollers in the bearing had literally MELTED and fused into solid masses
>of metal. The inner portion of the outer bearing is stuck firmly to the
>spindle. Fortunately the bearing had slipped outward from its proper location
>about 1/4 inch before it happened, so the proper area of the spindle may be
>untouched.
>
>I buttoned everything back up, and we took my buddy's Toyota to the comedy
>festival. That evening I called AAA for the tow home (gotta love the 100-mile
>tow program!); it took two and a half hours for the tow truck to arrive, and
>it was another two and a half hours before I was home. I gingerly drove the
>car onto and off the truck, and into the garage.
>
>Now I have to pull the spindle/rotor off, and I'm going to take it to Chris
>Difani's barn where he will use a variety of sophisticated tools and techniques
>to extract everything without damaging the rare and expensive spindle--I
>hope!!!
>
>Mike
>
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Message: 46
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 22:14:21 -0600
From: robert <boise at qwest.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] MANGUSTA 8MA-1118
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Hello.
Please allow me to re-introduce myself. I have not been on this list in
a
long time and have not attended the Vegas Convention (officially) since
the
move from the Plaza. As a matter of fact I am not a member of POCA or PI
anymore but I have been a multiple De Tomaso owner since 1989.
I would like to bring to your attention that the Mangusta International
Registry has obtained photos of my 1971 Mangusta from my website and has
used them erroneously to illustrate a Vehicle Identification Number and
description that does not belong to the 1971 Mangusta in the photos.
Please check out the following websites.
The first is Mangusta International Registry which uses the photos of my
1971 Mangusta (900 series) to describe a 1970 Mangusta with the Vehicle
Identification Number 8MA-1118:
http://www.mangustainternational.com/registry_detail.php?id=55&PHPSESSID=380f77ad44377ebaddd0192e54dab67e
The second is a link to my web site (please note no changes made since
2004):
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/581900
These identical photos are of my 1971 Mangusta (A 900 SERIES car NOT
1118)
taken by me in Black Canyon City, Arizona around 2002.
Now here is the problem. 8MA-1118 was sold at the the Barrett Jackson
Auction in 1998 and shipped to Hawaii never to be heard from again. I
was at
the Barrett Jackson auction that year. I saw the car and talked to the
new
owner who was buying it to complement his other Italian exotic
automobiles
that he owned. He told me that the car was being shipped to Hawaii and I
remember being somewhat disappointed knowing it would not be at the
Plaza
anymore. But I never thought it was going to disappear and never be
heard
from again.
Let's review the facts:
1.The photographs that the Mangusta International Registry published as
being 8MA-1118 are in fact MY CAR in Arizona which is a 900 series car
(check with any AZ POCA member).
2. The real 8MA-1118 was owned by a guy named Jim Vawter of California
and
was on the 3rd floor ballroom for many conventions in the early 90's
(check
with any old timers).
3. The car was sold at the Scottsdale Barrett Jackson auction in 1998
and
sent to Hawaii by the resort owner that bought it to complement his
Italian
car collection. (Barrett Jackson has the sale records)
I have emailed Dana Hansen to have him make corrections to his site.
After
three attempts with no response so I have decided to bring the matter to
the
attention of De Tomaso COMMUNITY and Friends.
8MA-1118 was last seen in Hawaii and is not going to be wrongly
associated
with photos of my 1971 Mangusta..... 8MA-1118 has gone missing in
Hawaii.
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Message: 47
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:24:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Flame Thrower in Fire Position Re: Camshaft
selection
To: JDeRyke at aol.com, pantera at kommevalla.se, detomaso at realbig.com
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Flamethrower in ON position
OKAY FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, someone needs to say it since you are all kissing one anothers bumpers on this cam and max 10.5:1 compression issue...living in the past or retiring in the future.
Since 99.9% of you will NEVER see any kind of competitive open track or open road race in a Pantera and nothing near WOT none of you need a performance build since it sounds like all of you want an engine that will last 250,000 miles. ;-]> Better check with your mommies first though on running too much compression or cam! ;-]>
I'm running 11.4:1 compression with a mild Comp Cam Hyd. roller with .600+ lift with mild ported and massaged 302B alum heads and mild 90-91 octane pump gas.....no problem GI.
Both Dan Jones and Russ Fulps convinced me after allot of discussion that this build would work and it has worked well. I trust Dan and Russ on this real world advise. I don't have detonation on the street but I also do NOT race or run WOT without adding race fuel before I run the motor hard. Race fuel is always available at open road and open track events. But 90% of my engines run time is on the street. Its not a race engine build and its running on pump gas 90-95% of the time.
Looking forward to adding Mike Trusty's IR-EFI system this winter and seeing if we can push 'streetable RWHP over 450, running on the street and running a lot faster in open road race events.
Recently heard at a TPOC meeting here in SoCal:
"Mommy, can you build an engine that will make 500HP that will last 250,000 miles?"
You babies and gramma's are scared of your own shadows.
BOO!
Mad Dawg
JDeRyke at aol.com wrote:
10-1/2:1 should be fine with the hi-octane gas you mention and the aluminum
CHI cylinder heads, but I wouldn't go higher or you could wind up being forced
to run aviation fuel or expensive racing gas, or severely retarded ignition
timing. If a std lift roller cam and notched lifters is put into a 351-C,
you'll get 16 massive oil leaks each time the cam revolves! So, some retrofit
roller cams use cut down cam cores to keep the roller wheels from protruding into
the huge oil galleries behind the tappet bosses. The thinner camshaft will
then be a little weaker than normal and will twist under heavy valve spring
loads, which unfortunately must be used with the 351-C's big valves and heavy
hydraulic roller lifters. Running such a cam at high revs might cause camshaft
breakage or at least give flexible camshaft timing to confuse your tuning
efforts.
What seems to work better for street cars is shrouded-roller hydraulic
lifters that use slightly smaller rollers with a lifter body that is cylindrical all
the way down past the roller wheel. So normal cam lift doesn't cause an oil
leak and a stronger normal-thickness camshaft can be used. Crane uses such
lifters on some retrofit roller cams. As always, for a specific cam for an engine,
I recommend calling a few cam grinders on their Tech Lines and asking the
people who build the things for advice.
A last note- my Ford-SVO A-3 aluminum cylinder heads specify no more than 175
lbs closed valve spring pressure. Any heavier and the hard valve seats will
begin to sink into the soft aluminum. Open pressure is not a problem. Good luck
with your build- J DeRyke
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Message: 48
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:44:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] MANGUSTA 8MA-1118
To: detomaso at realbig.com, Dennis Yogi <dyogi at hawaii.rr.com>,
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Dennis Yogi's Goose in Hawaii looks a lot like yours too. I don't know what his vin is, but the 2nd owner apparently owned the car for 28 years.
http://home.hawaii.rr.com/pantera1/page6.htm
Dennis - Have you stumbled across 8MA-1118 on the islands anywhere?
Cheers!
Garth
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Message: 49
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:52:42 -0700
From: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pocono trip report
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I know that this is a little late, well, especially since this is the 2005
trip report. I had it about 90% finished then well... anyway.
I had the good fortune that year to be able to attend both Pocono events as
well as the big Ford event at Carlyle. I heartily recommend that everyone
in the area attend both Pocono events. There are world class people and
cars all around.
With a 4 AM wakeup call Saturday morning, I stumbled out of bed and headed
up the well-worn path from DC to the Poconos in the northern part of
Pennsylvania. I arrived at the Skytop Lodge at 9:30 just as the concorso
was getting under way. Like the concorso in Monterey, they were running on
Italian time.
I headed over to the registration and I got a two-day pass and tickets for
some very nice meals for the reasonable price of $95. With the tickets
safely tucked away, I headed up the hill to checkout the Panteras.
I found 20 Panteras including a 1975 Euro GTS and some nicely preserved
stockers. There were no geese or other DeTomaso models. Due to the schism,
the numbers were down from what they used to be according to the veterans.
(BTW, everyone including the instigators told me they thought the schism was
stupid, but like a high school dance, no one was brave enough to cross the
floor to talk to the girls/boys on the other side.)
I got to see a number of people that I had met at the other Pantera events
and well as some new faces. Las Vegas regulars, Bob Reid and Jay Curreri
were there. This is Bob Reid and me checking out the cars.
www.portata.com/panteraadventure/images/pocono_bob_mark.jpg
Jay brought his yellow Pantera still with the scrape from the Las Vegas
ballroom. Jay's wife brought an Alfa Graduate. EPA president Zack Lembo,
now in better health, was able to bring his black Pantera. Pocono
crossovers Rick Carrol and Mark Evens were there. Mark had won the award
for best stocker last month at Pocono (again) and would win again this
weekend. Ken Brown and his son were who I had met last month at the EPA
dyno day were there with their aqua colored "stocker" that put better than
300 HP on the ground. Ken had just purchased his fifteenth Pantera last
week. Yup, 15th.
www.portata.com/panteraadventure/images/pocono_panteras.jpg
Due to my inability to run and hide quickly enough among the reeds, I was
nabbed to be one of the judges. So, with Zack, Ken, Jay, and a couple
others, I went from car to car trying to compare apples and oranges. With
Ferraris, it would have been easy to spot and deduct points for non-original
items, but with Panteras, it was a guessing game. What do you do if someone
makes a change that makes it better than original? What is someone makes it
better but aesthetically tackier? Also, even with the laidback Pantera
owners, there were too many delicate egos. "No really, 98 is a good score.
You should be happy." "It wasn't 100 points when it left the factory."
Besides the Panteras, there were the usual suspects: Lambos, Ferraris,
Maseratis, Lancias, Fiats, and Alfas. (My quest to be able to spell
"Lamborghini" without having to look it has not met with success so far.)
There was also a prototype Shelby Sports Car (no relation to Carroll) as
well as some Ducatis and Moto Guzzis.
My favorite was this 1967 Alfa Tipo 33/2.
www.portata.com/panteraadventure/images/pocono_alfa.jpg
Later in 2005 Mike Drew reported seeing this same Alfa driving on the street
in Monterey late at night.
I also loved this Bizzarrini 5300 Spyder SI prototype.
www.portata.com/panteraadventure/images/pocono_biz.jpg
Notice the headers in the Bizzarrini's front wheel well. (BTW, why is it
that Lambo owners, like this guy in the background, drive $300,000 cars,
sport $600 shoes, and wear wife beater shirts?)
The highlight of the show was annual return of the flock of Maserati
Birdcages. The owner of a nearby two-deck hauler was kind enough to put me
up on the lift to get a set of aerial pictures. One of the cars ran on the
track the following day.
www.portata.com/panteraadventure/images/birdcage_flock.jpg
This is why they are called Birdcages.
www.portata.com/panteraadventure/images/birdcage_inside.jpg
Tom Tjaarda was supposed to be at the event but could not travel at the last
minute due to a health problem.
After a wonderful day of looking at Italian metal art and listening to 17
renditions of Hey Mambo over the PA, I headed over to my hotel for a quick
shower and change into formal clothes. (The Skytop runs more than $300 per
night, so the curry-redolent Days Inn looked like the better deal.)
Back at the Skytop, we were treated to another nice meal with a display of
the best of show cars on the lawn. This was followed by an interminable set
of speeches thanking the sponsors, every Lambo dealer in the country, and
everyone in the room individually. The one funny moment in the evening was
when they thanked one of the event sponsors, Michelin, who is widely blamed
for the debacle at Indy the prior week. The crowd erupted into boos then
laughter as they thought about the silliness of booing their own sponsor.
Side note: I met a woman there who is a pilot for JetBlue (like Mike Drew
but in heals) that brought an award winning Alfa 164 to both Pocono events
(How does one win first place in the Alfa Closed Car category with a 164
daily driver?) She had taken her Ferrari to Indy last week for some 90 mph
"parade laps." While there, she saw the Formula 1 race. She said it was
even worse than reported. She had to go to the top of the stands to avoid
being hit by errant beer bottles being thrown onto the track. Track workers
were having to run onto the track to fetch the bottles during the race! Now
there's a reality show: F-1 Dodge Ball -- pick up track debris while trying
to outrun F-1 cars on foot.
After the sponsor thank-yous, Valentino Balboni and Piero Rivolta gave short
speeches. Valentino did his classic bit: "Lamborghini, its ah nice car.
You like it." Piero talked about his frustration with the
design-by-committee in the automotive business as the reason that he is now
designing his own boats.
As the lengthy awards presentations started, I slipped out to the Tap Room
down the hall. After downing a glass of Chardonnay at prices airport
bartenders could only dream about, I headed out for the night. On the way,
I gave Piero Rivolta a ride in my Ford Taurus. "The Taurus, its ah nice
car." It was a strange and somewhat unsettling feeling to have the designer
of such beautiful cars ferried about in my pleasant but rather common rental
car.
After a short night at Days Inn, I headed out on the back roads to the
Pocono race track. After winding through 20 miles of dense countryside
where I started expecting to see Ned Beatty and hear banjo music, I came
upon outstanding race complex with a huge 5/8 mile long grandstand with
countless garages and a wide track with high-banked turns and a tight
infield.
As many Lambos and Ferraris that had been at the concorso, there were that
many more at the track. It was heartening to see these owners do more than
drive their cars onto transports.
There were a number of Panteras there, but only a fraction of the numbers
that had been there in past years. The drivers varied from the novice to
the more serious weekend warriors. There were no hard-core racers of the
likes of Puckett, Qualla, MD, etc. that we get a Las Vegas To their credit,
though, they were not too far behind the 360s and the Gallardos on the
track.
Interestingly, I did not see anyone wearing a coolsuit with their Nomex
suits despite the 90+ degree heat and humidity that was killing me in shorts
and a tee-shirt.
I spent the morning wandering up and down the pits speaking with the various
Pantera owners.
Just before lunch, I hopped into (well, folded myself into) a Lamborghini
Murci?lago for some hot laps with Valentino Balboni at the wheel. Just
before I got in, Valentino expressed some concerns about the tires but
decided to go out anyway. Despite visions of the Space Shuttle o-rings and
heat tiles in the back of my mind, I got in, after all this was the
Valentino Balboni.
www.portata.com/panteraadventure/images/balboni_tire.jpg
Valentino does not like to wear a helmet despite his wild, high-speed
driving style, so they had his head examined. If you look closely, you can
see a blue inspection sticker on the side of his face, which he actually
wore all day. He also sported red, white, and blue arm bands -- he knows
his audience.
Even with a helmet, I was able to squeeze into the Murci?lago then buckle up
with the center-mounted seatbelts with not too much trouble.
While we were waiting for the hand signal to go, Valentino checked out the
curves ahead as any good Italian driver would.
www.portata.com/panteraadventure/images/balboni_curves.jpg
We rolled through the pits and queued up in a long line to get on the track.
This gave us a chance to talk about the Murci?lago and about Panteras (Ah,
they are ah nice ah car.)
When we got the signal, we effortlessly rollout onto the track at 100 mph
and into a high banked turn. While other cars got high up on the bank,
Valentino actually just apexed the turn as is if were a gentle sweeper.
After hitting 170 on the back straight, we unexpectedly (at least to me)
came to a chicane with a 90-degree turn that abruptly took us from the very
wide oval track onto what looked like a golf cart road in the infield.
If you have seen Balboni in person or on the Top Gear episode, you know that
he likes to drift the corners. The scary part is not the drifting. It's
not the drifting at insane speeds. It's the passing cars in the corner at
insane speeds with all four tires disconnected from the pavement.
After surviving that ride, I headed through the pits to talk to the various
Pantera drivers and to see Ed Bielski's close encounter of the concrete
kind. (Note that the passenger side mirror actual passed above the wall
unscathed.)
www.portata.com/panteraadventure/images/ed_bielski.jpg
With this California boy wilting in the heat and humidity in the pits, Bob
Reid and Forest Majors suggested that we retreat back to the hospitality
suite for some cold beers and tall tales.
Ah, Pocono, its ah nice ah event.
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Message: 50
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:20:40 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] A guy named Gary Hall in a gunfight????
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Hi guys,
My girlfriend (who lives in Orange County) just sent me this:
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I just saw a story on the news.? A guy named Gary Hall was shot in the
shoulder by his neighbor over an argument regarding a shrub.? They never showed the
guy...just the older woman getting carted away in handcuffs.
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I am seriously hoping that it was not OUR Gary Hall who was involved in this
altercation?! Geez, the guy has already proven that he has nine lives! We
don't need him having one more test of his fortitude!
My best wishes are always with Gary--whether he was involved in this incident
or not!
Mike
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Message: 51
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:28:56 EDT
From: Fastgrandma at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A guy named Gary Hall in a gunfight????
To: MikeLDrew at aol.com, DeTomaso at realbig.com
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I think you might check this out before posting on the forum; there are more
than one Gary Hall's in the world so not good to post this before checking out
the facts.
Judy VP
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Message: 52
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:34:17 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A guy named Gary Hall in a gunfight????
To: Fastgrandma at aol.com, DeTomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 10/1/07 23 29 33, Fastgrandma at aol.com writes:
> I think you might check this out before posting on the forum; there are
> more
> than one Gary Hall's in the world
>
>>>Well, *I* have only heard of, and care about, one of them.
> so not good to post this before checking out
> the facts.
>
Well, that's the whole point--trying to get the facts from somebody down
there who might know! I am seriously hoping it's not our Gary Hall! He was
practically my first introduction to the Pantera world (in fact I bought my
Pantera from him, and he was 100% honest about it's (many) faults) and I am very
hopeful that he is not involved in this.
If anybody hears one way or the other, please let us know.
Fingers crossed!
Mike
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Message: 53
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:37:14 +0000
From: Robert Almeida <roofit at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> From: detomaso-request at realbig.com> Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1> To: detomaso at realbig.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 06:00:02 -0500> > Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to> detomaso at list.realbig.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> detomaso-request at list.realbig.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> detomaso-owner at list.realbig.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: window installation, 1974 L (F&D Terry)> 2. Re: window installation, 1974 L (MikeLDrew at aol.com)> 3. Camshaft selection (Fredrik Gustavsson)> 4. test (Ian H)> 5. 351 SVO heads on CL (6d9gt500 at comcast.net)> 6. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 38, Issue 28 (tbaranek at earthlink.net)> 7. Test post (Sailfast)> 8. Anybody know a
number for Dwayne Koll (Sailfast)> 9. Parts needed (Dagny Kristine Bakken)> 10. Re: Upright Rebuilt.. but what the? (JDeRyke at aol.com)> 11. Re: Camshaft selection (MikeLDrew at aol.com)> 12. Re: looking for parts (roofit at hotmail.com)> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:49:24 -0400> From: F&D Terry <gt5s at bcpl.net>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] window installation, 1974 L> To: JDeRyke at aol.com> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com> Message-ID: <46FF8D44.7050102 at bcpl.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed> > Being over 30 years old, an original gasket is probably no longer > pliable and has also taken a set to its present location. The odds on > reinstalling the gasket to its former location are slim and none. Trying > to do so will result in a poor seal and the gasket will most likely > leak. A new and pliable gasket requires no silicone to seal. The > stainless molding must
be installed prior to replacing the glass, but > any competent glass shop will know this. It is a shame that the cost of > a gasket is so high but that is the cost of doing the job properly. Been > there done that many times.> > > Fred T.> > JDeRyke at aol.com wrote:> > >In a message dated 9/29/07 9:10:02 AM, msjaan at sbcglobal.net writes:> >> > > >> >>I'm about to have my window installed by a local glass shop. Is there > >>anything they/I need to know for this to go smoothly and without it breaking or > >>rusting later?> >>> >> > >>> >First, don't let them cut the gasket- the cost of a new one is now over $250. > >A pro glass guy once removed mine in 10 seconds by putting a heavy blanket on > >the hood, setting in the passenger seat and kicking the windshield out! Hey, > >if you don't plan on using it, the old glass is worthless. Doing it this way > >does not require removing the chrome trim, which is very easy to twist and very > >difficult to replace.
Second, the window channel in the body at the bottom is > >often rusted and pitted and likely can be repaired by cleaning & carefully > >brazing without stripping the dash. Finally, have them FULLY silicone the gasket > >to the body all across the bottom, up the sides and at least a foot across > >the top on each side, or the odds are your new glass will leak. Windshield > >silicone is the type that does NOT smell like vinegar when the cap is removed; > >hardware-store silicone does and will corrode the steel body worse than the water > >you're trying to keep out! Ours has been out twice using these methods, still > >uses the original gasket and does not leak. Good luck- J DeRyke> >> >> >> >**************************************> > See what's new at http://www.aol.com> >_______________________________________________> >> >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA> >> >Archive Search Engine Now Available at http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/> >> >DeTomaso mailing
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<000001c80384$88b55250$9a1ff6f0$@se>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Hi,> > Any opinions? I plan to use a hydraulic roller. There are some data for the> build I'm not sure of yet and for sure some that I have forgot to mention.> > > > Use: Performance street ~500hk> > Engine: 351C, Aussie 2-bolt> > Bore: 4.030"> > Stroke: 3.5"> > Heads: CHI 3V 185cc (http://www.chiheads.com/3v_185cc.php) bottom of page> > Valves: 2.070", 1.650"> > Rocker arms: Full roller> > Rocker arms ratio: ???> > Compression ratio: ~10.5:1 with flat pistons (I'm not sure if 10.5:1 is> enough)> > RPM range: 3000-6500 ???> > Max RPM: 6500> > Headers: GTS (new)> > Mufflers: GTS (full flow)> > Fuel system: EFI (port injection)> > Fuel: pump gas 95-98 oct.> > Ignition system: Ford EDIS> > Gear box: ZF with stock ratio> > > > Thanks> > Fredrik Gustavsson> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:29:29 -0500> From: "Ian H"
<ihannington286720mi at comcast.net>> Subject: [DeTomaso] test> To: "'panteras'" <detomaso at realbig.com>> Message-ID: <000801c8038f$d79ce710$7ed72b44 at IansPC>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > test> > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:12:07 +0000> From: 6d9gt500 at comcast.net> Subject: [DeTomaso] 351 SVO heads on CL> To: detomaso at list.realbig.com> Message-ID:> <093020071912.334.46FFF507000639100000014E2212020784CFCFCA9B09C70BC0 at comcast.net>> > Content-Type: text/plain> > I have no interest in this..just saw the add today> http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/pts/435704456.html> > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:38:55 -0400> From: "tbaranek at earthlink.net" <tbaranek at earthlink.net>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 38, Issue 28> To: detomaso at realbig.com, detomaso at realbig.com,> artstephens at charter.net> Message-ID: <380-220079030213855826 at M2W021.mail2web.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> > Nov 2007> ----- Original Message ---- > From: Art Stephens <artstephens at charter.net> > To: detomaso at realbig.com > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:01:47 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road and Track article > > > Tom, > What issue? > > Thanks, > Art > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Baranek-Home To: List-Subscribe:" > <tbaranek at earthlink.netdetomaso@realbig.comhttp://list.realbig.com/mailman/l> istinfo/detomaso>; > "Sender: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com" > <mailto:detomaso-request at list.realbig.com?subject=subscribe> > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:49 AM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road and Track article > > > > Road & Track article. > > Very nice 3-4 page spread on Panteras! > ****************************************> > --------------------------------------------------------------------> mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology -> http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE> > > >
> ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:09:30 -0500> From: "Sailfast" <sail4speed at verizon.net>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Test post> To: <detomaso at list.realbig.com>> Message-ID: <001101c803ae$94fcafc0$0201a8c0 at leftcomputer>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Test post> > Jack Tunnell> > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:48:40 -0500> From: "Sailfast" <sail4speed at verizon.net>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Anybody know a number for Dwayne Koll> To: <detomaso at list.realbig.com>> Message-ID: <001801c803b4$0c264390$0201a8c0 at leftcomputer>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > I have some parts for Dwayne with the silver Pantera in Dallas. I have lost track and need a number for him. Please e-mail of you have the number.> > Thanks, Jack Tunnell> > ------------------------------> > Message: 9> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 06:16:33 +0200> From: "Dagny Kristine Bakken"
<dagny-kr at online.no>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Parts needed> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>> Message-ID: <200710010413.l914DCZm011968 at mail49.nsc.no>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Im in need of front grill,rear condenser grill,switch assembly turn> indicator and gearshift assembly for our Pantera #6383.Anyone with a used> part(s),for sale,please contact me off forum :)> Thanks> > ?yvind Bakken> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 10> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 00:34:07 EDT> From: JDeRyke at aol.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Upright Rebuilt.. but what the?> To: jwcinvestment at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com,> 6d9gt500 at comcast.net> Message-ID: <c66.1b3cf976.3431d2bf at aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > In a message dated 9/29/07 8:56:21 PM, jwcinvestment at yahoo.com writes:> > > I think I read a post in the archives by Jack Deryke where he repaired a > > simular modification using a short piece of pipe reamed to the proper
inside > > taper and epoxied into the drilled out upright. Jack am I remembering right/> > > Correct except I used red Lock-tite not epoxy to seal the reamed steel > bushing into the upright. There were photos and full details in the Aug 07 POCA > News. Cheers- J Deryke> > > > > > **************************************> See what's new at http://www.aol.com> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 11> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 02:03:07 EDT> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camshaft selection> To: pantera at kommevalla.se, detomaso at realbig.com> Message-ID: <cee.1c51c0ad.3431e79b at aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > > In a message dated 9/30/07 10 09 6, pantera at kommevalla.se writes:> > > > > > Fuel: pump gas 95-98 oct.> > > > Note--this is 89-92 US octane rating....> > Mike> > > **************************************> See what's new at > http://www.aol.com> > > ------------------------------> Message: 12
looking for a front valance for a 73 pantera L #5172
Also looking for a front hood, delta wing
I am thinking on adding some wheel flares
So I can install larger rims and tires are there any problems that I should look for
suspension, spacers, rubbing ect.
Thanks
Robert
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Message: 54
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:45:21 -1000
From: "dyogi" <dyogi at hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] MANGUSTA 8MA-1118
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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As far as I know, there are only two 'geese in Hawaii and 1118 is not among
them. I own 1108 and I believe that the other is an early 'goose still
owned by the original owner, orange in color. I am in contact with him and
will check with him for his VIN
Aloha From Hawaii,
Dennis
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