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by chris vanderbyl 28 May '16

28 May '16

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being bounced? RE: confirm
by Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. 28 May '16

28 May '16

Is there anything I can do to stop being bounced? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:23 AM To: byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Subject: confirm xxxxxxxxx Your membership in the mailing list DeTomaso has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 28-May-2016. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 8 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at.........

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Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 28 May '16

28 May '16

I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew [MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM To: guson(a)home.se Cc: guido_detomaso@prodigy.net;detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I don't really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done originally.... Cheers! Mike Sent from my iPad > On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> wrote: > > I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH > thread. > > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] > Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM > To: b.hower3400@yahoo.com;vinh.d.ly@gmail.com;larrys@panteraparts.com > Cc: MikeLDrew@aol.com;detomaso@detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Late to this party. > Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side lug > nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the lugs > kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera axle > nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a friction > feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough > friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity > changes. > The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where > there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good > example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going > around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft > "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be able to > predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread. > Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the wrong > side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the wheels > will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st person > accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it > walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of the > car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward the > rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I > believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle. > Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of > catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a LH > thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on the > thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside > bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the d-shape > washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature would > have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day, until > the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway. > On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car to > walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I can't > see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the > nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this is > the only reason for the handed thread in this application. > Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. > GD > From: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: Vinh Ly <vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com>; Larry Stock > <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> > Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" > <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > You would probably never notice a problem. > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not > be > ! ) > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Vinh Ly <vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com> > To: Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> > Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were > incorrectly > installed on the wrong side? > Thanks, > Vinh Ly > #7445 > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock > <[1][1]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: > S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when > dueling > with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side) > Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct > Larry > On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via > DeTomaso" > <[2][2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of > [3][3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the > new >> forum. >> >> The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right' > respectively. >> But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse > thread, >> left to tighten) >> >> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left > side > of >> the car but I can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or > deny? >> >> Thanks! >> >> And welcome back! >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [4][4]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> [5][5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > use >> the links above. >> > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [6][6]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [7][7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > use the links above. > References > 1. mailto:[8]larrys@panteraparts.com > 2. mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com > 3. mailto:[10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 4. mailto:[11]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 5. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew [MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM To: guson(a)home.se Cc: guido_detomaso@prodigy.net;detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I don't really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done originally.... Cheers! Mike Sent from my iPad > On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> wrote: > > I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH > thread. > > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] > Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM > To: b.hower3400@yahoo.com;vinh.d.ly@gmail.com;larrys@panteraparts.com > Cc: MikeLDrew@aol.com;detomaso@detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Late to this party. > Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side lug > nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the lugs > kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera axle > nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a friction > feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough > friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity > changes. > The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where > there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good > example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going > around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft > "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be able to > predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread. > Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the wrong > side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the wheels > will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st person > accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it > walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of the > car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward the > rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I > believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle. > Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of > catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a LH > thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on the > thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside > bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the d-shape > washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature would > have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day, until > the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway. > On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car to > walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I can't > see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the > nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this is > the only reason for the handed thread in this application. > Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. > GD > From: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: Vinh Ly <vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com>; Larry Stock > <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> > Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" > <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > You would probably never notice a problem. > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not > be > ! ) > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Vinh Ly <vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com> > To: Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> > Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were > incorrectly > installed on the wrong side? > Thanks, > Vinh Ly > #7445 > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock > <[1][1]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: > S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when > dueling > with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side) > Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct > Larry > On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via > DeTomaso" > <[2][2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of > [3][3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the > new >> forum. >> >> The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right' > respectively. >> But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse > thread, >> left to tighten) >> >> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left > side > of >> the car but I can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or > deny? >> >> Thanks! >> >> And welcome back! >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [4][4]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> [5][5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > use >> the links above. >> > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [6][6]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [7][7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > use the links above. > References > 1. mailto:[8]larrys@panteraparts.com > 2. mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com > 3. mailto:[10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 4. mailto:[11]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 5. 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Dome light fix needed.
by Fred Sweeney 27 May '16

27 May '16

My dome light won't turn off when I close the doors. I pulled the wires from the courtesy light toggle in the dash, but it didn't affect the dome light. How do I fix the problem? I am VERRRY tech challenged. Thanks in advance. Fred P.S. I had trouble with my red door lights, but that has been fixed. My seat belt light will turn off if I fasten both seat belts (even without a passenger). I wonder if there is a connection of these ills.

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Suspension Bushing Fit
by Ken Green 27 May '16

27 May '16

I'm mocking up control arms and shocks, and some seem to be a really tight fit using after market bushings. Is that common? Does someone have the specs for the gap between ears the control arm and shock bushings fit into? Ken I'm mocking up control arms and shocks, and some seem to be a really tight fit using after market bushings. Is that common? Does someone have the specs for the gap between ears the control arm and shock bushings fit into? Ken

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Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 27 May '16

27 May '16

I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH thread. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM To: b.hower3400@yahoo.com;vinh.d.ly@gmail.com;larrys@panteraparts.com Cc: MikeLDrew@aol.com;detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Late to this party. Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side lug nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the lugs kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera axle nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a friction feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity changes. The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be able to predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread. Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the wrong side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the wheels will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st person accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of the car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward the rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle. Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a LH thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on the thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the d-shape washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature would have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day, until the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway. On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car to walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I can't see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this is the only reason for the handed thread in this application. Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. GD From: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> To: Vinh Ly <vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com>; Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? You would probably never notice a problem. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: Vinh Ly <vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com> To: Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were incorrectly installed on the wrong side? Thanks, Vinh Ly #7445 On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock <[1][1]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when dueling with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side) Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct Larry On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <[2][2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [3][3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >Hi guys, > >I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the new >forum. > >The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right' respectively. >But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse thread, >left to tighten) > >It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left side of >the car but I can't remember for sure. 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I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH thread. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM To: b.hower3400@yahoo.com;vinh.d.ly@gmail.com;larrys@panteraparts.com Cc: MikeLDrew@aol.com;detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Late to this party. Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side lug nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the lugs kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera axle nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a friction feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity changes. The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be able to predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread. Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the wrong side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the wheels will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st person accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of the car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward the rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle. Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a LH thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on the thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the d-shape washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature would have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day, until the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway. On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car to walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I can't see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this is the only reason for the handed thread in this application. Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. GD From: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> To: Vinh Ly <vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com>; Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? You would probably never notice a problem. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: Vinh Ly <vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com> To: Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were incorrectly installed on the wrong side? Thanks, Vinh Ly #7445 On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock <[1][1]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when dueling with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side) Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct Larry On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <[2][2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [3][3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >Hi guys, > >I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the new >forum. > >The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right' respectively. >But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse thread, >left to tighten) > >It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left side of >the car but I can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or deny? > >Thanks! > >And welcome back! > >Mike > >Sent from my iPhone >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >[4][4]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >[5][5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [6][6]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [7][7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Re: [DeTomaso] List copyrights
by cengles＠cox.net 27 May '16

27 May '16

Dear Kurt, So.......for those of us who are not lawyers, the problem is solved, because there is no problem?? I realize my reasoning may be too simple for real world legalities, though. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Kurt Byrnes wrote: > I checked the internet archives at > https://web.archive.org/web/20160328002452/http://poca.com/index.php/forums… > > Please note it states "Content of this email list is not copyrighted > by any individual or entity, including POCA." > > > Looks like it's pretty clear, no one owned the list data or the data > posted to it. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Another boring old Space City Panteras Pig Roast
by Asa Jay Laughton 27 May '16

27 May '16

I need to move to Texas! Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >Great looking shop.....don't see any pigs! > > > >> On May 25, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/MeetingMinutes/styled-2/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I need to move to Texas! Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Great looking shop.....don't see any pigs! > On May 25, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/MeetingMinutes/styled-2/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Which axles on which side?
by Mike Drew 27 May '16

27 May '16

Hi guys, I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the new forum. The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right' respectively. But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse thread, left to tighten) It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left side of the car but I can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or deny? Thanks! And welcome back! Mike Sent from my iPhone

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help searching (powder coat campys)
by Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. 27 May '16

27 May '16

I was doing research whether or not to powder coat my original campy's. The new search for the list gave reference to [Restoring Magnesium Campagnolo Wheels the Right Way http://www.poca.com/detomaso/2000-06/1205.html by Mike Drew and Jack DeRykeI]. But I can't find it. Besides decoding the ".200-06/1205", any comments on whether to powder coat or paint would be welcomed Joseph F Byrd Jr I was doing research whether or not to powder coat my original campy's. The new search for the list gave reference to [Restoring Magnesium Campagnolo Wheels the Right Way http://www.poca.com/detomaso/2000-06/1205.html by Mike Drew and Jack DeRykeI]. But I can't find it. Besides decoding the "...200-06/1205", any comments on whether to powder coat or paint would be welcomed Joseph F Byrd Jr

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