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Re: [DeTomaso] Sucking power of a Holly electric fuel pump?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 30 May '16

30 May '16

I'm convinced that you can and if not, just fill up the tank with new gas and you'll only have to pull a few inches. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Don Thomas [dtpantera(a)gmail.com] Sent: 30/5/2016 4:13:29 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Sucking power of a Holly electric fuel pump? What's the sucking power of an Electric fuel pump ? Do you think I can pull 29 inches with a Holley Electric Fuel Pump ? I'm just wondering if I drain all my gas out of the tank with the electric fuel pump... and then add new gas... if I am going to be SOL ... and have to re-prime the fuel lines? I don't think so... but then again.. I have no idea. Anyone have experience with priming the gas? Thank in advance. -dt I'm convinced that you can and if not, just fill up the tank with new gas and you'll only have to pull a few inches. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Don Thomas [dtpantera(a)gmail.com] Sent: 30/5/2016 4:13:29 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Sucking power of a Holly electric fuel pump? What's the sucking power of an Electric fuel pump ? Do you think I can pull 29 inches with a Holley Electric Fuel Pump ? I'm just wondering if I drain all my gas out of the tank with the electric fuel pump... and then add new gas... if I am going to be SOL ... and have to re-prime the fuel lines? I don't think so... but then again.. I have no idea. Anyone have experience with priming the gas? Thank in advance. -dt

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Fw: Re: POCA Membership Dues Analysis
by gonancy＠juno.com 30 May '16

30 May '16

Just remember that you usually get what you pay for. -------- Original message -------- From: Dick Koch <redcatman74(a)gmail.com> Now wait a minute Dick, what you write here is WAY too level-headed for this forum! Who is this really?? All joking aside, I obtain multiple bids for every one of a 'number' of projects that I need to conduct every year. If I found a company that could save me $8,000 a year on a particular project, I would have felt like I won the lottery! Sure, every once in a while the new company who submitted the lowest bid does not do as good of a job of the old one but when that happens, I go back to the next bid which sometimes was the same company I used previously and all is back to normal. $8,000 a year is an awful lot of money just to stay with the company that you have and had comfort with. The statement of adding color to the newsletter would of course cost a bit more money but when you consider that we would be saving $8,000 off the top, we have a touch more money to play with and the savings would still be very sizable. Plus, if any car club newsletter in this country is worthy of several color pages, it absolutely would be Jack DeRyke's!! This club is and will be indebted to you forever Jack! Thanks for the wonderful work you do to keep our colorful jalopies on the road!! Marshall Please note: forwarded message attached From: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> To: Dick Koch <redcatman74(a)gmail.com>, Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 16:05:17 -0700 ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216

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Sucking power of a Holly electric fuel pump?
by Don Thomas 30 May '16

30 May '16

What's the sucking power of an Electric fuel pump ? Do you think I can pull 29 inches with a Holley Electric Fuel Pump ? I'm just wondering if I drain all my gas out of the tank with the electric fuel pump... and then add new gas... if I am going to be SOL ... and have to re-prime the fuel lines? I don't think so... but then again.. I have no idea. Anyone have experience with priming the gas? Thank in advance. -dt What's the sucking power of an Electric fuel pump ? Do you thinkA I can pull 29 inches with a Holley Electric Fuel Pump ? I'm justA wondering if I drain all my gas out of the tank with the electric fuel pump... and then addA new gas... if I am going to be SOL ... andA have to re-prime the fuel lines? I don't think so... but then again.. I have no idea.A A Anyone have experience with priming the gas? Thank in advance. -dt

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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
by Mike Reilly 29 May '16

29 May '16

When I was in the Service we had the saying “Lead, Follow or Get Out of the Way!”. Seems like some folks in our community need to pick one of these three options. I GREATLY appreciate those who volunteer to help run our club and keep us focused on the awesome DeTomaso automobiles that created our community. Thanks to everyone who volunteers! Mike Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Effie Richards<mailto:erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 11:46 AM To: redcatman74(a)gmail.com<mailto:redcatman74@gmail.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis Thank you for your extremely intelligent and brave point of view! Your signing salutation is awesome! PEACE FELLOW CAT OWNERS! I second that! Sent from Effie's iPad > On May 29, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Dick Koch <redcatman74(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and > non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very > personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. > > It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to > present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, does > nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their > persona in the eyes of others. > > From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of > the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And > make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, > this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's > value add to it's customers. > > As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the > newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as > with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. > > I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have > folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and > provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our > government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a > reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. > > I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the > newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to take > 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. > > As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A > Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide > on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, > pointless. > > Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of > the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that > item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying > financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long > term financial health. > > Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a > constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature > irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. > > I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to > think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... > > By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their > comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle > with a blown header gasket for years. > > Peace, fellow "cat" owners. > > Dick Koch - Atlanta > Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky > enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. > > On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: > > See below. >>> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace > period >> A without notice. > False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at > 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, > Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules. >> >> A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 > increased >> A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first > place.A The >> A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A > Simply, use >> A the money to pay for our publication costs. > False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority > chapter presidents. >> A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the > $62.52 >> A publication estimate per MS. > That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive > quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that > is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using. >> >> A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A > Carrying >> A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into > 100,000 >> A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. > False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in > the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in > reserve. You can google there income statements. >> A OPINION: >> >> A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 > vote but >> A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has >> A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing > the >> A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions > for > False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we > have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in > fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best > interest of the club > This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and > should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look > bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, > preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as > in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone > instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. > It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. > If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and > many others before me, and run for office. > Kind regards >> A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [5]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:edducati@mac.com > 2. mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com > 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. When I was in the Service we had the saying "Lead, Follow or Get Out of the Way!". Seems like some folks in our community need to pick one of these three options. I GREATLY appreciate those who volunteer to help run our club and keep us focused on the awesome DeTomaso automobiles that created our community. Thanks to everyone who volunteers! Mike Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 From: [2]Effie Richards Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 11:46 AM To: [3]redcatman74(a)gmail.com Cc: [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis Thank you for your extremely intelligent and brave point of view! Your signing salutation is awesome! PEACE FELLOW CAT OWNERS! I second that! Sent from Effie's iPad > On May 29, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Dick Koch <redcatman74(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and > non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very > personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. > > It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to > present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, does > nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their > persona in the eyes of others. > > From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of > the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And > make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, > this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's > value add to it's customers. > > As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the > newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as > with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. > > I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have > folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and > provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our > government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a > reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. > > I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the > newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to take > 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. > > As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A > Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide > on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, > pointless. > > Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of > the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that > item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying > financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long > term financial health. > > Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a > constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature > irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. > > I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to > think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... > > By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their > comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle > with a blown header gasket for years. > > Peace, fellow "cat" owners. > > Dick Koch - Atlanta > Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky > enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. > > On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: > > See below. >>> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace > period >> A without notice. > False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at > 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, > Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules. >> >> A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 > increased >> A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first > place.A The >> A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A > Simply, use >> A the money to pay for our publication costs. > False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority > chapter presidents. >> A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the > $62.52 >> A publication estimate per MS. > That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive > quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that > is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using. >> >> A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A > Carrying >> A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into > 100,000 >> A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. > False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in > the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in > reserve. You can google there income statements. >> A OPINION: >> >> A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 > vote but >> A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has >> A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing > the >> A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions > for > False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we > have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in > fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best > interest of the club > This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and > should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look > bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, > preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as > in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone > instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. > It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. > If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and > many others before me, and run for office. > Kind regards >> A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 29 May '16

29 May '16

I should have said: My bad, I didn't follow the thread from the start and replied to an off subject piece of info. Tomas I was replying to Guidos post that read: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a LH thread on the left side front spindle. I was not clear on that I admit. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew [MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] Sent: 28/5/2016 11:23:00 PM To: guson(a)home.se Cc: forestg@att.net;detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, Uh, no, we're not. Remember I'm the guy that started the thread by asking the question in the first place. We are talking about the axles. There are no axles in the front, only spindles. :) Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2016, at 13:23, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson(a)home.se> wrote: > We're talking about front wheel bearing nuts here. > > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Forest Goodhart [forestg(a)att.net] > Sent: 28/5/2016 3:34:04 AM > To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > I do not think it matters which side the axle is on. I've worked on > cars with two lefts and also cars with two rights. Neither ever had any > issue with axle nuts coming loose, they are torqued to 360 lb/ft plus > or minus > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> > Cc: "<detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Tomas, > You have to remove the driveshaft to see the nut.... > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2016, at 15:51, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1]guson(a)home.se> > wrote: > I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Mike Drew [[2]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] > Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM > To: [3]guson(a)home.se > Cc: [4]guido_detomaso@prodigy.net;[5]detomaso@detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Tomas, > I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the > original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I don't > really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done > originally.... > Cheers! > Mike > Sent from my iPad >> On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[6]guson(a)home.se> > wrote: >> >> I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH >> thread. >> >> Tomas >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> >> From: Guido deTomaso [[7]guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] >> Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM >> To: > > [8]b.hower3400@yahoo.com;[9]vinh.d.ly@gmail.com;[10]larrys@panteraparts > .com >> Cc: [11]MikeLDrew@aol.com;[12]detomaso@detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> Late to this party. >> Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side > lug >> nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the > lugs >> kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera > axle >> nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a > friction >> feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough >> friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity >> changes. >> The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where >> there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good >> example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going >> around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft >> "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be > able > to >> predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread. >> Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the > wrong >> side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the > wheels >> will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st > person >> accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it >> walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of > the >> car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward > the >> rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I >> believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle. >> Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of >> catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a > LH >> thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on > the >> thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside >> bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the > d-shape >> washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature > would >> have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day, > until >> the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway. >> On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car > to >> walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I > can't >> see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the >> nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this > is >> the only reason for the handed thread in this application. >> Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. >> GD >> From: B Hower via DeTomaso <[13]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> To: Vinh Ly <[14]vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com>; Larry Stock >> <[15]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> >> Cc: Mike Drew <[16]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; > "[17]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" >> <[18]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> You would probably never notice a problem. >> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not >> be >> ! ) >> __________________________________________________________________ >> From: Vinh Ly <[19]vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com> >> To: Larry Stock <[20]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> >> Cc: Mike Drew <[21]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; > [22]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were >> incorrectly >> installed on the wrong side? >> Thanks, >> Vinh Ly >> #7445 >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock >> <[1][1][23]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: >> S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when >> dueling >> with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side) >> Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct >> Larry >> On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via >> DeTomaso" >> <[2][2][24]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> [3][3][25]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the >> new >>> forum. >>> >>> The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right' >> respectively. >>> But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse >> thread, >>> left to tighten) >>> >>> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left >> side >> of >>> the car but I can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or >> deny? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> And welcome back! >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [4][4][26]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> [5][5][27]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) >> use >>> the links above. >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [6][6][28]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> [7][7][29]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) >> use the links above. >> References >> 1. mailto:[8][30]larrys@panteraparts.com >> 2. mailto:[9][31]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 3. mailto:[10][32]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 4. mailto:[11][33]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 5. 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[54]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [55]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> [56]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) >> use the links above. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [57]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> [58]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > References > 1. mailto:guson@home.se > 2. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com > 3. mailto:guson@home.se > 4. mailto:guido_detomaso@prodigy.net > 5. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 6. mailto:guson@home.se > 7. mailto:guido_detomaso@prodigy.net > 8. mailto:b.hower3400@yahoo.com > 9. mailto:vinh.d.ly@gmail.com > 10. mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com > 11. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com > 12. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 13. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 14. mailto:vinh.d.ly@gmail.com > 15. mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com > 16. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com > 17. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 18. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 19. mailto:vinh.d.ly@gmail.com > 20. mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com > 21. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com > 22. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 23. mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com > 24. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com > 25. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 26. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 27. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 28. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 29. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 30. mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com > 31. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com > 32. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 33. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 34. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 35. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 36. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 37. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 38. http://server.detomas === message truncated === I should have said: My bad, I didn't follow the thread from the start and replied to an off subject piece of info. Tomas I was replying to Guidos post that read: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a LH thread on the left side front spindle. I was not clear on that I admit. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew [MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] Sent: 28/5/2016 11:23:00 PM To: guson(a)home.se Cc: forestg@att.net;detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, Uh, no, we're not. Remember I'm the guy that started the thread by asking the question in the first place. We are talking about the axles. There are no axles in the front, only spindles. :) Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2016, at 13:23, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson(a)home.se> wrote: > We're talking about front wheel bearing nuts here. > > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Forest Goodhart [forestg(a)att.net] > Sent: 28/5/2016 3:34:04 AM > To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > I do not think it matters which side the axle is on. I've worked on > cars with two lefts and also cars with two rights. Neither ever had any > issue with axle nuts coming loose, they are torqued to 360 lb/ft plus > or minus > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> > Cc: "<detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Tomas, > You have to remove the driveshaft to see the nut.... > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2016, at 15:51, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1]guson(a)home.se> > wrote: > I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Mike Drew [[2]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] > Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM > To: [3]guson(a)home.se > Cc: [4]guido_detomaso@prodigy.net;[5]detomaso@detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Tomas, > I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the > original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I don't > really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done > originally.... > Cheers! > Mike > Sent from my iPad >> On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[6]guson(a)home.se> > wrote: >> >> I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH >> thread. >> >> Tomas >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> >> From: Guido deTomaso [[7]guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] >> Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM >> To: > > [8]b.hower3400@yahoo.com;[9]vinh.d.ly@gmail.com;[10]larrys@panteraparts > .com >> Cc: [11]MikeLDrew@aol.com;[12]detomaso@detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> Late to this party. >> Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side > lug >> nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the > lugs >> kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera > axle >> nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a > friction >> feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough >> friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity >> changes. >> The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where >> there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good >> example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going >> around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft >> "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be > able > to >> predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread. >> Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the > wrong >> side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the > wheels >> will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st > person >> accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it >> walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of > the >> car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward > the >> rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I >> believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle. >> Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of >> catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a > LH >> thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on > the >> thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside >> bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the > d-shape >> washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature > would >> have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day, > until >> the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway. >> On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car > to >> walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I > can't >> see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the >> nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this > is >> the only reason for the handed thread in this application. >> Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. >> GD >> From: B Hower via DeTomaso <[13]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> To: Vinh Ly <[14]vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com>; Larry Stock >> <[15]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> >> Cc: Mike Drew <[16]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; > "[17]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" >> <[18]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> You would probably never notice a problem. >> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not >> be >> ! ) >> __________________________________________________________________ >> From: Vinh Ly <[19]vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com> >> To: Larry Stock <[20]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> >> Cc: Mike Drew <[21]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; > [22]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were >> incorrectly >> installed on the wrong side? >> Thanks, >> Vinh Ly >> #7445 >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock >> <[1][1][23]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: >> S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when >> dueling >> with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side) >> Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct >> Larry >> On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via >> DeTomaso" >> <[2][2][24]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> [3][3][25]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the >> new >>> forum. >>> >>> The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right' >> respectively. >>> But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse >> thread, >>> left to tighten) >>> >>> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left >> side >> of >>> the car but I can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or >> deny? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> And welcome back! >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [4][4][26]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> [5][5][27]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) >> use >>> the links above. >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [6][6][28]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> [7][7][29]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) >> use the links above. >> References >> 1. mailto:[8][30]larrys@panteraparts.com >> 2. mailto:[9][31]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 3. mailto:[10][32]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 4. mailto:[11][33]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 5. 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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
by cuvee 29 May '16

29 May '16

Be interesting to see how many people do not renew with POCA? Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> </div><div>Date:05/28/2016 11:53 AM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com </div><div>Cc: </div><div>Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis </div><div> </div> It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate – per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the President’s Blog.) It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Be interesting to see how many people do not renew with POCA? Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S(R)4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> Date:05/28/2016 11:53 AM (GMT-08:00) To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Cc: Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate - per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the President's Blog.) It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 28 May '16

28 May '16

I was replying to Guidos post that read: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a LH thread on the left side front spindle. I was not clear on that I admit. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew [MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] Sent: 28/5/2016 11:23:00 PM To: guson(a)home.se Cc: forestg@att.net;detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, Uh, no, we're not. Remember I'm the guy that started the thread by asking the question in the first place. We are talking about the axles. There are no axles in the front, only spindles. :) Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2016, at 13:23, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson(a)home.se> wrote: > We're talking about front wheel bearing nuts here. > > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Forest Goodhart [forestg(a)att.net] > Sent: 28/5/2016 3:34:04 AM > To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > I do not think it matters which side the axle is on. I've worked on > cars with two lefts and also cars with two rights. Neither ever had any > issue with axle nuts coming loose, they are torqued to 360 lb/ft plus > or minus > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> > Cc: "<detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Tomas, > You have to remove the driveshaft to see the nut.... > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2016, at 15:51, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1]guson(a)home.se> > wrote: > I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Mike Drew [[2]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] > Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM > To: [3]guson(a)home.se > Cc: [4]guido_detomaso@prodigy.net;[5]detomaso@detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Tomas, > I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the > original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I don't > really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done > originally.... > Cheers! > Mike > Sent from my iPad >> On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[6]guson(a)home.se> > wrote: >> >> I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH >> thread. >> >> Tomas >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> >> From: Guido deTomaso [[7]guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] >> Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM >> To: > > [8]b.hower3400@yahoo.com;[9]vinh.d.ly@gmail.com;[10]larrys@panteraparts > .com >> Cc: [11]MikeLDrew@aol.com;[12]detomaso@detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> Late to this party. >> Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side > lug >> nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the > lugs >> kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera > axle >> nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a > friction >> feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough >> friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity >> changes. >> The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where >> there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good >> example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going >> around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft >> "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be > able > to >> predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread. >> Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the > wrong >> side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the > wheels >> will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st > person >> accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it >> walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of > the >> car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward > the >> rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I >> believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle. >> Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of >> catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a > LH >> thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on > the >> thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside >> bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the > d-shape >> washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature > would >> have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day, > until >> the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway. >> On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car > to >> walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I > can't >> see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the >> nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this > is >> the only reason for the handed thread in this application. >> Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. >> GD >> From: B Hower via DeTomaso <[13]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> To: Vinh Ly <[14]vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com>; Larry Stock >> <[15]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> >> Cc: Mike Drew <[16]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; > "[17]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" >> <[18]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> You would probably never notice a problem. >> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not >> be >> ! ) >> __________________________________________________________________ >> From: Vinh Ly <[19]vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com> >> To: Larry Stock <[20]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> >> Cc: Mike Drew <[21]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; > [22]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were >> incorrectly >> installed on the wrong side? >> Thanks, >> Vinh Ly >> #7445 >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock >> <[1][1][23]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: >> S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when >> dueling >> with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side) >> Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct >> Larry >> On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via >> DeTomaso" >> <[2][2][24]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> [3][3][25]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the >> new >>> forum. >>> >>> The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right' >> respectively. >>> But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse >> thread, >>> left to tighten) >>> >>> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left >> side >> of >>> the car but I can't remember for sure. 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I was not clear on that I admit. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew [MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] Sent: 28/5/2016 11:23:00 PM To: guson(a)home.se Cc: forestg@att.net;detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, Uh, no, we're not. Remember I'm the guy that started the thread by asking the question in the first place. We are talking about the axles. There are no axles in the front, only spindles. :) Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2016, at 13:23, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson(a)home.se> wrote: > We're talking about front wheel bearing nuts here. > > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Forest Goodhart [forestg(a)att.net] > Sent: 28/5/2016 3:34:04 AM > To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > I do not think it matters which side the axle is on. I've worked on > cars with two lefts and also cars with two rights. Neither ever had any > issue with axle nuts coming loose, they are torqued to 360 lb/ft plus > or minus > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> > Cc: "<detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Tomas, > You have to remove the driveshaft to see the nut.... > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2016, at 15:51, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1]guson(a)home.se> > wrote: > I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Mike Drew [[2]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] > Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM > To: [3]guson(a)home.se > Cc: [4]guido_detomaso@prodigy.net;[5]detomaso@detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Tomas, > I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the > original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I don't > really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done > originally.... > Cheers! > Mike > Sent from my iPad >> On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[6]guson(a)home.se> > wrote: >> >> I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH >> thread. >> >> Tomas >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> >> From: Guido deTomaso [[7]guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] >> Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM >> To: > > [8]b.hower3400@yahoo.com;[9]vinh.d.ly@gmail.com;[10]larrys@panteraparts > .com >> Cc: [11]MikeLDrew@aol.com;[12]detomaso@detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> Late to this party. >> Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side > lug >> nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the > lugs >> kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera > axle >> nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a > friction >> feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough >> friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity >> changes. >> The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where >> there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good >> example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going >> around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft >> "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be > able > to >> predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread. >> Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the > wrong >> side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the > wheels >> will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st > person >> accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it >> walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of > the >> car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward > the >> rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I >> believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle. >> Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of >> catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a > LH >> thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on > the >> thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside >> bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the > d-shape >> washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature > would >> have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day, > until >> the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway. >> On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car > to >> walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I > can't >> see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the >> nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this > is >> the only reason for the handed thread in this application. >> Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. >> GD >> From: B Hower via DeTomaso <[13]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> To: Vinh Ly <[14]vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com>; Larry Stock >> <[15]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> >> Cc: Mike Drew <[16]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; > "[17]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" >> <[18]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> You would probably never notice a problem. >> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not >> be >> ! ) >> __________________________________________________________________ >> From: Vinh Ly <[19]vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com> >> To: Larry Stock <[20]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> >> Cc: Mike Drew <[21]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; > [22]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were >> incorrectly >> installed on the wrong side? >> Thanks, >> Vinh Ly >> #7445 >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock >> <[1][1][23]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: >> S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when >> dueling >> with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side) >> Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct >> Larry >> On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via >> DeTomaso" >> <[2][2][24]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> [3][3][25]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the >> new >>> forum. >>> >>> The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right' >> respectively. >>> But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse >> thread, >>> left to tighten) >>> >>> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left >> side >> of >>> the car but I can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or >> deny? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> And welcome back! >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [4][4][26]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> [5][5][27]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) >> use >>> the links above. >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [6][6][28]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> [7][7][29]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) >> use the links above. >> References >> 1. mailto:[8][30]larrys@panteraparts.com >> 2. mailto:[9][31]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 3. mailto:[10][32]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 4. mailto:[11][33]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 5. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 28 May '16

28 May '16

We're talking about front wheel bearing nuts here. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Forest Goodhart [forestg(a)att.net] Sent: 28/5/2016 3:34:04 AM To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? I do not think it matters which side the axle is on. I've worked on cars with two lefts and also cars with two rights. Neither ever had any issue with axle nuts coming loose, they are torqued to 360 lb/ft plus or minus From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> Cc: "<detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, You have to remove the driveshaft to see the nut.... Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2016, at 15:51, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1]guson(a)home.se> wrote: I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew [[2]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM To: [3]guson(a)home.se Cc: [4]guido_detomaso@prodigy.net;[5]detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I don't really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done originally.... Cheers! Mike Sent from my iPad > On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[6]guson(a)home.se> wrote: > > I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH > thread. > > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Guido deTomaso [[7]guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] > Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM > To: [8]b.hower3400@yahoo.com;[9]vinh.d.ly@gmail.com;[10]larrys@panteraparts .com > Cc: [11]MikeLDrew@aol.com;[12]detomaso@detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Late to this party. > Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side lug > nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the lugs > kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera axle > nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a friction > feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough > friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity > changes. > The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where > there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good > example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going > around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft > "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be able to > predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread. > Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the wrong > side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the wheels > will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st person > accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it > walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of the > car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward the > rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I > believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle. > Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of > catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a LH > thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on the > thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside > bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the d-shape > washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature would > have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day, until > the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway. > On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car to > walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I can't > see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the > nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this is > the only reason for the handed thread in this application. > Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. > GD > From: B Hower via DeTomaso <[13]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: Vinh Ly <[14]vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com>; Larry Stock > <[15]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> > Cc: Mike Drew <[16]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; "[17]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" > <[18]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > You would probably never notice a problem. > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not > be > ! ) > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Vinh Ly <[19]vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com> > To: Larry Stock <[20]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> > Cc: Mike Drew <[21]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; [22]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were > incorrectly > installed on the wrong side? > Thanks, > Vinh Ly > #7445 > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock > <[1][1][23]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: > S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when > dueling > with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side) > Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct > Larry > On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via > DeTomaso" > <[2][2][24]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of > [3][3][25]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the > new >> forum. >> >> The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right' > respectively. >> But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse > thread, >> left to tighten) >> >> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left > side > of >> the car but I can't remember for sure. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. < === message truncated === We're talking about front wheel bearing nuts here. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Forest Goodhart [forestg(a)att.net] Sent: 28/5/2016 3:34:04 AM To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? I do not think it matters which side the axle is on. I've worked on cars with two lefts and also cars with two rights. Neither ever had any issue with axle nuts coming loose, they are torqued to 360 lb/ft plus or minus From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> Cc: "<detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, You have to remove the driveshaft to see the nut.... Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2016, at 15:51, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1]guson(a)home.se> wrote: I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew [[2]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM To: [3]guson(a)home.se Cc: [4]guido_detomaso@prodigy.net;[5]detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I don't really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done originally.... Cheers! Mike Sent from my iPad > On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[6]guson(a)home.se> wrote: > > I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH > thread. > > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Guido deTomaso [[7]guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] > Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM > To: [8]b.hower3400@yahoo.com;[9]vinh.d.ly@gmail.com;[10]larrys@panteraparts .com > Cc: [11]MikeLDrew@aol.com;[12]detomaso@detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Late to this party. > Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side lug > nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the lugs > kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera axle > nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a friction > feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough > friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity > changes. > The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where > there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good > example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going > around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft > "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be able to > predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread. > Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the wrong > side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the wheels > will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st person > accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it > walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of the > car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward the > rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I > believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle. > Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of > catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a LH > thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on the > thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside > bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the d-shape > washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature would > have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day, until > the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway. > On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car to > walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I can't > see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the > nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this is > the only reason for the handed thread in this application. > Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. > GD > From: B Hower via DeTomaso <[13]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: Vinh Ly <[14]vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com>; Larry Stock > <[15]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> > Cc: Mike Drew <[16]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; "[17]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" > <[18]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > You would probably never notice a problem. > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not > be > ! ) > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Vinh Ly <[19]vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com> > To: Larry Stock <[20]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> > Cc: Mike Drew <[21]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; [22]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were > incorrectly > installed on the wrong side? > Thanks, > Vinh Ly > #7445 > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock > <[1][1][23]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: > S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when > dueling > with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side) > Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct > Larry > On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via > DeTomaso" > <[2][2][24]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of > [3][3][25]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the > new >> forum. >> >> The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right' > respectively. >> But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse > thread, >> left to tighten) >> >> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left > side > of >> the car but I can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or > deny? >> >> Thanks! >> >> And welcome back! >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [4][4][26]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> [5][5][27]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > use >> the links above. >> > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [6][6][28]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [7][7][29]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > use the links above. > References > 1. mailto:[8][30]larrys@panteraparts.com > 2. mailto:[9][31]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com > 3. mailto:[10][32]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 4. mailto:[11][33]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 5. 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New updates to the POCA site
by Rod Kunishige 28 May '16

28 May '16

Thank you Mike. The new site can grow into a great resource. Rod Thank you Mike. The new site can grow into a great resource. Rod

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New updates to the POCA site
by Asa Jay Laughton 28 May '16

28 May '16

Hi all, It appears more Profiles and newsletters have been posted to the new POCA web site. These are items the POCA IT staff tried for a while to get up on the old site but it proved difficult for a myriad of reasons. If you are a POCA member, I would encourage you to login and see the growing list of previous newsletters and Profiles that are being put up. The POCA site still has a long way to go, but it's making progress in little steps. Asa Jay -- Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com

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