[DeTomaso] Glue on mirror

Tue Jun 25 14:37:35 EDT 2024

 The problem with bonding ANYTHING to glass is, the cleaning process before bonding is extremely fussy. And within seconds of proper chemical cleaning, a monomolecular layer of water from the atmosphere condenses on all glasses. This results in spotty coverage that may debond later if impacted just right. 
'Proper' cleaning means that after going thru a multi-solvent scrubbing process, you do a water break test on the glass.This involves cascading DI water over the cleaned surface while its leaned at a 30-45 degree angle. What you're looking for is a continuous sheet of water flowing over the glass, without ANY individual beads. Then you dry the surface with alcohol and immediately bond your part to the glass.
That's why I, as a chemical engineer that has had to do such bonding in the aerospace industry, made up some poly windows and drilled holes in them for positive retention screws. Good luck- 
    On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 09:09:11 AM PDT, Terry Himes <terry.himes at pncnet.com> wrote:   

 I know a chemical engineer.  He helped me soften and release a 2-part epoxy from glass. 
Worked like magic!! 

Just let me know what kind of glue, and I will contact him. 

On 6/25/24, 9:06 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:

I wonder if a chemical could be used to soften the glue?

On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 05:40:30 AM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: 

All,

I’m in favor of any plan that doesn’t harm the glass. Michael’s plan may have merit assuming there was a means to restore them in the future. 

The one I have that was all scratched up had a mirror glued on with a wild type of black glue that refuses to give up. The mirror broke off leaving the base stuck. I spent some time with a hacksaw trying to carefully cut it off, and gave up about halfway through as the guy who said he wanted the glass changed his mind. 

It was hard work!

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 25, 2024, at 05:09, michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com <mailto:red3644 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Two of my Panteras had the Omni mirrors attached with what appeared to be a thin layer of J-B weld or something similar. They never failed and I was able to VERY carefully remove them for a restoration. The glass was not scratched. I’d go with some like type of adhesive and a careful cleaning/degreasing first.
> Michael
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>> On Jun 24, 2024, at 11:49 PM, Scott Mead <scott at scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  I highly recommend 3M Scotch-Weld 2216 epoxy adhesive. It's the same
>> stuff they use on Apache helicopters. I used it to re-adhere the
>> outside mirror on my Pantera (no glass etching required), and was
>> tested to 130 MPH several times. Now if I ever want to get it off,
>> well, let's not go there.
>> 
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>> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
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>> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>>
>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glue on mirror
>> 
>> Argh, yes I do seem to recall that part. I'll check the glass tomorrow
>> when I'm back in the shop. If the owner wishes to go with replacement
>> (rough) glass, what kind of cost are we looking at?
>> Thank you,
>> Asa Jay
>> Sent via radio waves
>>>> On Jun 24, 2024, at 20:09, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Asa,
>>> 
>>> You have to deeply gouge the glass to produce a rough surface so the
>> glue will stick to it.
>>> 
>>> This then destroys the glass for future use.
>>> 
>>> It's far better to buy pre-destroyed glass from people who have
>> purchased cars with glue on mirrors and reverted to proper door-mounted
>> mirrors, than it is to wreck yet another pair of windows....
>>> 
>>> A PCNC member recently sold a pair of Omni mirrors and scratched
>> windows, and others have them lying around. I do have one scratched-up
>> side glass available that I got from a wrecked car where the other side
>> broke.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>> On Jun 24, 2024, at 19:32, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> During the first test drive of this friends Pantera, I nearly lost
>> the driver side mirror at 45 mph. See photos.
>>>> 
>>>> What is the best way to make this right?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>> 
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   The problem with bonding ANYTHING to glass is, the cleaning process
   before bonding is extremely fussy. And within seconds of proper
   chemical cleaning, a monomolecular layer of water from the atmosphere
   condenses on all glasses. This results in spotty coverage that may
   debond later if impacted just right.
   'Proper' cleaning means that after going thru a multi-solvent scrubbing
   process, you do a water break test on the glass.This involves cascading
   DI water over the cleaned surface while its leaned at a 30-45 degree
   angle. What you're looking for is a continuous sheet of water flowing
   over the glass, without ANY individual beads. Then you dry the surface
   with alcohol and immediately bond your part to the glass.
   That's why I, as a chemical engineer that has had to do such bonding in
   the aerospace industry, made up some poly windows and drilled holes in
   them for positive retention screws. Good luck-

   On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 09:09:11 AM PDT, Terry Himes
   <terry.himes at pncnet.com> wrote:
   I know a chemical engineer.  He helped me soften and release a 2-part
   epoxy from glass.
   Worked like magic!!
   Just let me know what kind of glue, and I will contact him.
   i>>?On 6/25/24, 9:06 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso"
   <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   [2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
   I wonder if a chemical could be used to soften the glue?
   On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 05:40:30 AM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
   All,
   Iam in favor of any plan that doesnat harm the glass. Michaelas plan
   may have merit assuming there was a means to restore them in the
   future.
   The one I have that was all scratched up had a mirror glued on with a
   wild type of black glue that refuses to give up. The mirror broke off
   leaving the base stuck. I spent some time with a hacksaw trying to
   carefully cut it off, and gave up about halfway through as the guy who
   said he wanted the glass changed his mind.
   It was hard work!
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Jun 25, 2024, at 05:09, michael frazier <[4]red3644 at hotmail.com
   <mailto:red3644 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
   >
   > i>>?Two of my Panteras had the Omni mirrors attached with what
   appeared to be a thin layer of J-B weld or something similar. They
   never failed and I was able to VERY carefully remove them for a
   restoration. The glass was not scratched. Iad go with some like type of
   adhesive and a careful cleaning/degreasing first.
   > Michael
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone
   >
   >> On Jun 24, 2024, at 11:49 PM, Scott Mead
   <[5]scott at scottmeadphotography.com
   <mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
   >>
   >> i>>? I highly recommend 3M Scotch-Weld 2216 epoxy adhesive. It's the
   same
   >> stuff they use on Apache helicopters. I used it to re-adhere the
   >> outside mirror on my Pantera (no glass etching required), and was
   >> tested to 130 MPH several times. Now if I ever want to get it off,
   >> well, let's not go there.
   >>
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   >> From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
   >> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
   >> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 9:24:46 PM
   >> To: Mike Drew <[8]mikeldrew at aol.com <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>>
   >> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glue on mirror
   >>
   >> Argh, yes I do seem to recall that part. I'll check the glass
   tomorrow
   >> when I'm back in the shop. If the owner wishes to go with
   replacement
   >> (rough) glass, what kind of cost are we looking at?
   >> Thank you,
   >> Asa Jay
   >> Sent via radio waves
   >>>> On Jun 24, 2024, at 20:09, Mike Drew <[10]mikeldrew at aol.com
   <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>> wrote:
   >>>
   >>> Asa,
   >>>
   >>> You have to deeply gouge the glass to produce a rough surface so
   the
   >> glue will stick to it.
   >>>
   >>> This then destroys the glass for future use.
   >>>
   >>> It's far better to buy pre-destroyed glass from people who have
   >> purchased cars with glue on mirrors and reverted to proper
   door-mounted
   >> mirrors, than it is to wreck yet another pair of windows....
   >>>
   >>> A PCNC member recently sold a pair of Omni mirrors and scratched
   >> windows, and others have them lying around. I do have one
   scratched-up
   >> side glass available that I got from a wrecked car where the other
   side
   >> broke.
   >>>
   >>> Mike
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> Sent from my iPad
   >>>
   >>>> On Jun 24, 2024, at 19:32, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
   >> <[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>> Hi all,
   >>>> During the first test drive of this friends Pantera, I nearly lost
   >> the driver side mirror at 45 mph. See photos.
   >>>>
   >>>> What is the best way to make this right?
   >>>>
   >>>> Thank you,
   >>>> Asa Jay
   >>>>
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   >>
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   >>
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   >>
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   >>
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   >> LKG0drErPvTw0DYTHF4LuEwOgH-YTYr9h0&e=
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   =>
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   [24]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__server.detomaso
   list.com_mailman_listinfo_detomaso&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwq
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   zLKG0drErPvTw0DYTHF4LuEwOgH-YTYr9h0&e=
   <[25]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__server.detomas
   olist.com_mailman_listinfo_detomaso&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrw
   qOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=mxm2g1hl9awD5Ei_9FoJNQLsSZO-Lp4JO1VlfGnrH38&m=DZB
   UkZtqnaCHMr3gWnDTIZMUUoAuh-MP6lkgMm4lEy5RqtQ7ZgiEQQDaRhj6Uz-d&s=4MMO28N
   UzLKG0drErPvTw0DYTHF4LuEwOgH-YTYr9h0&e=>
   >> 5.
   [26]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__server.detomaso
   list.com_mailman_listinfo_detomaso&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwq
   Of-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=mxm2g1hl9awD5Ei_9FoJNQLsSZO-Lp4JO1VlfGnrH38&m=DZBU
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   zLKG0drErPvTw0DYTHF4LuEwOgH-YTYr9h0&e=
   <[27]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__server.detomas
   olist.com_mailman_listinfo_detomaso&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrw
   qOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=mxm2g1hl9awD5Ei_9FoJNQLsSZO-Lp4JO1VlfGnrH38&m=DZB
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   >> _______________________________________________
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   >> [29]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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   > [32]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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