[DeTomaso] Glue on mirror

Tue Jun 25 09:22:05 EDT 2024

Hi Guys,

I’m also solidly in the “no-destruction” camp.

I would make a smooth base plate that can conform properly to the glass, secure that plate to the mirror with epoxy AND countersunk fasteners and then us the new, smooth surface on the mirror to mount it to the side window using FULL COVERAGE of black 3M VHB automotive tape. It needs 24 hours for full bonding, but initial grip is extremely strong regardless. I then cut a triangle of black vinyl which I apply on the inside of the glass to hide the back of the tape/bracket.

Good luck!

Mark Charlton
pantera at homecharlton.ca

> On Jun 25, 2024, at 8:40 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> I’m in favor of any plan that doesn’t harm the glass. Michael’s plan may have merit assuming there was a means to restore them in the future. 
> 
> The one I have that was all scratched up had a mirror glued on with a wild type of black glue that refuses to give up. The mirror broke off leaving the base stuck. I spent some time with a hacksaw trying to carefully cut it off, and gave up about halfway through as the guy who said he wanted the glass changed his mind. 
> 
> It was hard work!
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 05:09, michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Two of my Panteras had the Omni mirrors attached with what appeared to be a thin layer of J-B weld or something similar. They never failed and I was able to VERY carefully remove them for a restoration. The glass was not scratched.  I’d go with some like type of adhesive and a careful cleaning/degreasing first.
>> Michael
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2024, at 11:49 PM, Scott Mead <scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    I highly recommend 3M Scotch-Weld 2216 epoxy adhesive. It's the same
>>> stuff they use on Apache helicopters. I used it to re-adhere the
>>> outside mirror on my Pantera (no glass etching required), and was
>>> tested to 130 MPH several times. Now if I ever want to get it off,
>>> well, let's not go there.
>>> 
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>>> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 9:24:46 PM
>>> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
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>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glue on mirror
>>> 
>>> Argh, yes I do seem to recall that part.  I'll check the glass tomorrow
>>> when I'm back in the shop.  If the owner wishes to go with replacement
>>> (rough) glass, what kind of cost are we looking at?
>>> Thank you,
>>> Asa  Jay
>>> Sent via radio waves
>>>>> On Jun 24, 2024, at 20:09, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Asa,
>>>> 
>>>> You have to deeply gouge the glass to produce a rough surface so the
>>> glue will stick to it.
>>>> 
>>>> This then destroys the glass for future use.
>>>> 
>>>> It's far better to buy pre-destroyed glass from people who have
>>> purchased cars with glue on mirrors and reverted to proper door-mounted
>>> mirrors, than it is to wreck yet another pair of windows....
>>>> 
>>>> A PCNC member recently sold a pair of Omni mirrors and scratched
>>> windows, and others have them lying around. I do have one scratched-up
>>> side glass available that I got from a wrecked car where the other side
>>> broke.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 24, 2024, at 19:32, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> During the first test drive of this friends Pantera, I nearly lost
>>> the driver side mirror at 45 mph.  See photos.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What is the best way to make this right?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Asa  Jay
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   Hi Guys,

   I'm also solidly in the "no-destruction" camp.

   I would make a smooth base plate that can conform properly to the
   glass, secure that plate to the mirror with epoxy AND countersunk
   fasteners and then us the new, smooth surface on the mirror to mount it
   to the side window using FULL COVERAGE of black 3M VHB automotive tape.
   It needs 24 hours for full bonding, but initial grip is extremely
   strong regardless. I then cut a triangle of black vinyl which I apply
   on the inside of the glass to hide the back of the tape/bracket.

   Good luck!
   Mark Charlton
   pantera at homecharlton.ca

   On Jun 25, 2024, at 8:40AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

   All,
   I'm in favor of any plan that doesn't harm the glass. Michael's plan
   may have merit assuming there was a means to restore them in the
   future.
   The one I have that was all scratched up had a mirror glued on with a
   wild type of black glue that refuses to give up. The mirror broke off
   leaving the base stuck. I spent some time with a hacksaw trying to
   carefully cut it off, and gave up about halfway through as the guy who
   said he wanted the glass changed his mind.
   It was hard work!
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone

     On Jun 25, 2024, at 05:09, michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
     wrote:
     Two of my Panteras had the Omni mirrors attached with what appeared
     to be a thin layer of J-B weld or something similar. They never
     failed and I was able to VERY carefully remove them for a
     restoration. The glass was not scratched.  I'd go with some like
     type of adhesive and a careful cleaning/degreasing first.
     Michael
     Sent from my iPhone

     On Jun 24, 2024, at 11:49 PM, Scott Mead
     <scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
       I highly recommend 3M Scotch-Weld 2216 epoxy adhesive. It's the
     same
     stuff they use on Apache helicopters. I used it to re-adhere the
     outside mirror on my Pantera (no glass etching required), and was
     tested to 130 MPH several times. Now if I ever want to get it off,
     well, let's not go there.
     Get [1]Outlook for iOS
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     From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
     of
     Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 9:24:46 PM
     To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glue on mirror
     Argh, yes I do seem to recall that part.  I'll check the glass
     tomorrow
     when I'm back in the shop.  If the owner wishes to go with
     replacement
     (rough) glass, what kind of cost are we looking at?
     Thank you,
     Asa  Jay
     Sent via radio waves

     On Jun 24, 2024, at 20:09, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:

     Asa,
     You have to deeply gouge the glass to produce a rough surface so the

     glue will stick to it.

     This then destroys the glass for future use.
     It's far better to buy pre-destroyed glass from people who have

     purchased cars with glue on mirrors and reverted to proper
     door-mounted
     mirrors, than it is to wreck yet another pair of windows....

     A PCNC member recently sold a pair of Omni mirrors and scratched

     windows, and others have them lying around. I do have one
     scratched-up
     side glass available that I got from a wrecked car where the other
     side
     broke.

     Mike
     Sent from my iPad

     On Jun 24, 2024, at 19:32, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso

     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

     Hi all,
     During the first test drive of this friends Pantera, I nearly lost

     the driver side mirror at 45 mph.  See photos.

     What is the best way to make this right?
     Thank you,
     Asa  Jay

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