[DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
Christopher Kimball
ChrisVKimball at msn.com
Thu Jun 13 01:35:00 EDT 2024
That makes sense, although I'm not sure if I would trust the dipstick being brazed since I fear that might make the metal a little more brittle than it already is.
What I might do is have that brazing done but at the same time order a new dipstick that would be one piece without any cuts or flaws in it.
The last time I changed the oil I did remove the filter and let as much oil drip out as possible over a couple of hours. I do have what is supposed to be a 10 qt oil pan so that's why I figured 8 or 9 quarts would be a good amount, and after running the engine for a minute to make sure the oil filled the filter, that would be the right place to mark the dipstick.
I have heard that with a ten quart oil pan you can afford to be a little low on oil according to the dipstick and still be okay, but I don't want to overfill because I know that can cause some engine problems.
Thanks for your help and advice, as always!
Chris
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: MIKE DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Date: 6/12/24 10:27 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
Chris,
On the early cars the dipstick was too long. The TSB had you cut it, shorten the spring and re-braze it all back together.
Somebody was clever here with yours, and figured out you could just overlap the two pieces and rivet them together. At this point I would probably seek a way to make it more permanent by welding or brazing, but what you have certainly works.
It sounds like your homemade ‘full’ mark is higher than stock, so you are likely running extra oil. As long as it’s not egregious there is probably no harm being done.
I found this pic on the interwebs which purports to show both the length of the dipstick, and also the tube it goes into.
[cid:f7db8ba2-492a-42b9-a4ab-f39c10b13c9f at namprd20.prod.outlook.com]
The claim is that it’s 26 inches from the back to the ridge where it enters the engine, and there is a further 10 inches sticking down inside the block.
Now, realize that if you measure the outside distance or the inside distance you will get a notable difference, due to the curvature of the tube, probably representing 1/4 or 1/2 inch, maybe even more?
Still, this at least gives a general idea.
I would be inclined to believe that your tube is correct, and you have measured your dipstick and determined it is correct. So the advertised ‘full’ mark is probably correct. Realize that when you drain the oil when changing it, it’s impossible to get all of the oil out. So you will install less oil to fill it if it already had oil in it, versus a completely dry motor. The filter also holds a substantial amount of oil, nearly a quart by itself. So if you change the oil but don’t also change the filter, it will require about one quart less to fill it up.
You’re probably never wrong just using the factory markings, but similarly you probably are doing no real harm by tossing a bit extra in there as you appear to be doing.
Cheers!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 12, 2024, at 22:09, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> I am a dipstick for sure! I went down to measure the dipstick to see
> how long it is, and I realized that I was confusing the Pantera
> dipstick with the Fiero dipstick.
> The Fierro dipstick is just a flat piece of metal for the entire
> length, and I'd forgotten that the Pantera dipstick actually is a
> spring-like device.
> I measured the dipstick, and from the cup to the tip It's 38 inches,
> and it's 35-3/8 inches from the end of the cup to the home-made full
> mark.
> The imprinted full mark on the dipstick is actually 36-3/8" but that
> was the one imprinted on the dipstick not the home-made one.
> The motor was redone using a different block, although still a
> Cleveland, but it's been almost 18 years since that was done and I
> don't remember what the dipstick tube ended up coming from or whether
> it was modified or what.
> I just know that after this dipstick was modified when the engine was
> free of oil, we added 8 or 9 quarts, and the full mark was dictated by
> where the oil level was after that much oil had been added.
> That's why the current home-made full mark is different than the mark
> imprinted on the end of the dipstick.
> I have attached a picture of the pieces of the dipstick that are
> riveted together where a piece was actually removed, indicating this
> was not an original Pantera dipstick. I don't know if the picture will
> come through the email or not.
> Sincerely, Chris.
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
> smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Date: 6/12/24 9:02 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>
> Chris,
> YOU are the dipstick.
> The standard Pantera dipstick is long and flexible. It has a solid bit
> at the end and a solid bit with a loop at the top. In between is a long
> spring which is where the flexible comes from.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 20:48, Christopher Kimball
>> <ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>> I'm not sure what you mean when you say a spring, there is no
> spring
>> anywhere on my dipstick...
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
>> smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> Date: 6/12/24 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
>> Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Asa Jay Laughton
>> <asajay at asajay.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>> Chris,
>> The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang
> dipstick
>> chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two halves.
>> You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the same
> thing
>> done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and transfer
> it
>> over.
>> Or, they can just fix your existing one.
>> It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball
>>> <ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>>> My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted together, and the
>> full
>>> level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place. I'm
>> worried
>>> the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one can
>> order
>>> a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length? That
>> would
>>> alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks to be
>> on
>>> the dipstick.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Chris
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>> of
>>> Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
>>> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
>> <asajay at asajay.com>
>>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>>> Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing
>> oil
>>> into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the
>> end
>>> of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating
>> assembly.
>>> If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in
>> relation to
>>> the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid
>> for
>>> the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.
>>> Julian
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>> of
>>> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
>>> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> I agree on both methods. They are of course a pain in the arse in
>>> either case. No pun intended.
>>> Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
>>> referring to the Cleveland pan?
>>> I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
>>> dipstick. In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil
>> to
>>> show on the stick. Then he was blowing oil all over when driving.
>> We
>>> drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock
>> pan,
>>> then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
>>> In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
>>> dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level
>> concrete.
>>> The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut
>> and
>>> braze back together.
>>> I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five
>> quarts,
>>> and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that
>> pan.
>>> I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
>>> amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other
>> methods.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Asa Jay
>>> Sent via radio waves
>>>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>> AJ,
>>>> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts
>> while
>>> the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
>>>> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.
>>>> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and
> either
>>> verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
>>>> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that
>>> number.
>>>> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a
>>> standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill
>> the
>>> motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
>>> Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
>>>> Mike
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>>> All,
>>>>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
>>>>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
>>>>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at Replacement
>>>>> Parts | Page 3 of 3
>>>>> [3]aviaid.com
>>>>> [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
>>>>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan. I know based on the shape
>>> that it
>>>>> should hold more than five. However, does anyone here have
>>> experience
>>>>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I
>>> don't
>>>>> know if it's been calibrated properly.
>>>>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a
>>> stock
>>>>> dipstick?
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>> Sent via radio waves
>>>>> References
>>>>> Visible links
>>>>> 1. tel:155-55367
>>>>> 2.
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That makes sense, although I'm not sure if I would trust the dipstick
being brazed since I fear that might make the metal a little more
brittle than it already is.
What I might do is have that brazing done but at the same time order a
new dipstick that would be one piece without any cuts or flaws in it.
The last time I changed the oil I did remove the filter and let as much
oil drip out as possible over a couple of hours. I do have what is
supposed to be a 10 qt oil pan so that's why I figured 8 or 9 quarts
would be a good amount, and after running the engine for a minute to
make sure the oil filled the filter, that would be the right place to
mark the dipstick.
I have heard that with a ten quart oil pan you can afford to be a
little low on oil according to the dipstick and still be okay, but I
don't want to overfill because I know that can cause some engine
problems.
Thanks for your help and advice, as always!
Chris
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: MIKE DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Date: 6/12/24 10:27 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
Chris,
On the early cars the dipstick was too long. The TSB had you cut it,
shorten the spring and re-braze it all back together.
Somebody was clever here with yours, and figured out you could just
overlap the two pieces and rivet them together. At this point I would
probably seek a way to make it more permanent by welding or brazing,
but what you have certainly works.
It sounds like your homemade `full' mark is higher than stock, so you
are likely running extra oil. As long as it's not egregious there is
probably no harm being done.
I found this pic on the interwebs which purports to show both the
length of the dipstick, and also the tube it goes into.
[cid:f7db8ba2-492a-42b9-a4ab-f39c10b13c9f at namprd20.prod.outlook.com]
The claim is that it's 26 inches from the back to the ridge where it
enters the engine, and there is a further 10 inches sticking down
inside the block.
Now, realize that if you measure the outside distance or the inside
distance you will get a notable difference, due to the curvature of the
tube, probably representing 1/4 or 1/2 inch, maybe even more?
Still, this at least gives a general idea.
I would be inclined to believe that your tube is correct, and you have
measured your dipstick and determined it is correct. So the advertised
`full' mark is probably correct. Realize that when you drain the oil
when changing it, it's impossible to get all of the oil out. So you
will install less oil to fill it if it already had oil in it, versus a
completely dry motor. The filter also holds a substantial amount of
oil, nearly a quart by itself. So if you change the oil but don't also
change the filter, it will require about one quart less to fill it up.
You're probably never wrong just using the factory markings, but
similarly you probably are doing no real harm by tossing a bit extra in
there as you appear to be doing.
Cheers!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 12, 2024, at 22:09, Christopher Kimball
<chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> I am a dipstick for sure! I went down to measure the dipstick to
see
> how long it is, and I realized that I was confusing the Pantera
> dipstick with the Fiero dipstick.
> The Fierro dipstick is just a flat piece of metal for the entire
> length, and I'd forgotten that the Pantera dipstick actually is a
> spring-like device.
> I measured the dipstick, and from the cup to the tip It's 38
inches,
> and it's 35-3/8 inches from the end of the cup to the home-made full
> mark.
> The imprinted full mark on the dipstick is actually 36-3/8" but that
> was the one imprinted on the dipstick not the home-made one.
> The motor was redone using a different block, although still a
> Cleveland, but it's been almost 18 years since that was done and I
> don't remember what the dipstick tube ended up coming from or
whether
> it was modified or what.
> I just know that after this dipstick was modified when the engine
was
> free of oil, we added 8 or 9 quarts, and the full mark was dictated
by
> where the oil level was after that much oil had been added.
> That's why the current home-made full mark is different than the
mark
> imprinted on the end of the dipstick.
> I have attached a picture of the pieces of the dipstick that are
> riveted together where a piece was actually removed, indicating this
> was not an original Pantera dipstick. I don't know if the picture
will
> come through the email or not.
> Sincerely, Chris.
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
> smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Date: 6/12/24 9:02 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>
> Chris,
> YOU are the dipstick.
> The standard Pantera dipstick is long and flexible. It has a solid
bit
> at the end and a solid bit with a loop at the top. In between is a
long
> spring which is where the flexible comes from.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 20:48, Christopher Kimball
>> <ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>> I'm not sure what you mean when you say a spring, there is no
> spring
>> anywhere on my dipstick...
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
>> smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> Date: 6/12/24 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
>> Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Asa Jay Laughton
>> <asajay at asajay.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>> Chris,
>> The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang
> dipstick
>> chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two halves.
>> You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the same
> thing
>> done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and transfer
> it
>> over.
>> Or, they can just fix your existing one.
>> It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball
>>> <ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>>> My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted together, and the
>> full
>>> level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place. I'm
>> worried
>>> the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one can
>> order
>>> a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length? That
>> would
>>> alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks to be
>> on
>>> the dipstick.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Chris
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>> of
>>> Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
>>> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
>> <asajay at asajay.com>
>>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>>> Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing
>> oil
>>> into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the
>> end
>>> of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating
>> assembly.
>>> If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in
>> relation to
>>> the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid
>> for
>>> the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.
>>> Julian
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>> of
>>> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
>>> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> I agree on both methods. They are of course a pain in the arse in
>>> either case. No pun intended.
>>> Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
>>> referring to the Cleveland pan?
>>> I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
>>> dipstick. In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil
>> to
>>> show on the stick. Then he was blowing oil all over when driving.
>> We
>>> drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock
>> pan,
>>> then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
>>> In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
>>> dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level
>> concrete.
>>> The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut
>> and
>>> braze back together.
>>> I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five
>> quarts,
>>> and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that
>> pan.
>>> I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
>>> amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other
>> methods.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Asa Jay
>>> Sent via radio waves
>>>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>> AJ,
>>>> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts
>> while
>>> the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
>>>> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.
>>>> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and
> either
>>> verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
>>>> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that
>>> number.
>>>> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a
>>> standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill
>> the
>>> motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
>>> Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
>>>> Mike
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>>> All,
>>>>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
>>>>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
>>>>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at
Replacement
>>>>> Parts | Page 3 of 3
>>>>> [3]aviaid.com
>>>>> [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
>>>>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan. I know based on the shape
>>> that it
>>>>> should hold more than five. However, does anyone here have
>>> experience
>>>>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I
>>> don't
>>>>> know if it's been calibrated properly.
>>>>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a
>>> stock
>>>>> dipstick?
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>> Sent via radio waves
>>>>> References
>>>>> Visible links
>>>>> 1. tel:155-55367
>>>>> 2.
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> 2.
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> 3.
[3]https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html
> 4.
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