[DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
marshallgsmith
marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
Thu Jun 13 00:21:02 EDT 2024
Maybe he has a standard 351 dipstick tube.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Date: 6/12/24 9:02 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan Chris,YOU are the dipstick. 😆The standard Pantera dipstick is long and flexible. It has a solid bit at the end and a solid bit with a loop at the top. In between is a long spring which is where the flexible comes from. MikeSent from my iPad> On Jun 12, 2024, at 20:48, Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:> > I'm not sure what you mean when you say a spring, there is no spring> anywhere on my dipstick...> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable> smartphone> -------- Original message --------> From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>> Date: 6/12/24 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00)> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>> Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Asa Jay Laughton> <asajay at asajay.com>, DeTomaso Mail List> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan> > Chris,> The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang dipstick> chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two halves.> You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the same thing> done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and transfer it> over.> Or, they can just fix your existing one.> It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.> Mike> Sent from my iPad>>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball>> <ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:>> >> My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted together, and the> full>> level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place. I'm> worried>> the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one can> order>> a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length? That> would>> alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks to be> on>> the dipstick.>> >> Sincerely,>> >> Chris>> > __________________________________________________________________>> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf> of>> Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM>> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton> <asajay at asajay.com>>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan>> >> Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing> oil>> into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the> end>> of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating> assembly.>> If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in> relation to>> the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid> for>> the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.>> Julian>> ________________________________>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf> of>> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM>> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan>> Hi Mike,>> I agree on both methods. They are of course a pain in the arse in>> either case. No pun intended.>> Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was>> referring to the Cleveland pan?>> I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket>> dipstick. In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil> to>> show on the stick. Then he was blowing oil all over when driving.> We>> drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock> pan,>> then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.>> In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket>> dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level> concrete.>> The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut> and>> braze back together.>> I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five> quarts,>> and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that> pan.>> I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct>> amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other> methods.>> Thank you,>> Asa Jay>> Sent via radio waves>>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:>>> >>> AJ,>>> >>> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts> while>> the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?>>> >>> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.>>> >>> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and either>> verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.>>> >>> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that>> number.>>> >>> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a>> standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill> the>> motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom>> Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.>>> >>> Mike>>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad>>> >>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:>>>> >>>> All,>>>> >>>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:>>>> >>>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S>>>> >>>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at Replacement>>>> Parts | Page 3 of 3>>>> [3]aviaid.com>>>> [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]>>>> >>>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan. I know based on the shape>> that it>>>> should hold more than five. However, does anyone here have>> experience>>>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I>> don't>>>> know if it's been calibrated properly.>>>> >>>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a>> stock>>>> dipstick?>>>> >>>> Thank you,>>>> >>>> Asa Jay>>>> >>>> Sent via radio waves>>>> >>>> References>>>> >>>> Visible links>>>> 1. tel:155-55367>>>> 2.>> > [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Favi> %2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C8e0f1d39bfc54b89bac908dc8b43406c%7C84df9e7fe9f640> afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638538368168921122%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d> 8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0> %7C%7C%7C&sdata=H1E5pDWvn43LX53P%2BPunt5DGnz14LEPJ8uItsBhIOR4%3D&reserv> ed=0>> > aid.com%2Fshopsite_sc%2Fstore%2Fhtml%2Fws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html&data=05%7>> > C02%7C%7C230df4048e4045ae3fe408dc8a59a36c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaa>> > aaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638537364822129087%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4w>> > 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Maybe he has a standard 351 dipstick tube.
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From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 6/12/24 9:02 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
Chris,
YOU are the dipstick.
The standard Pantera dipstick is long and flexible. It has a solid bit
at the end and a solid bit with a loop at the top. In between is a long
spring which is where the flexible comes from.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 12, 2024, at 20:48, Christopher Kimball
<ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what you mean when you say a spring, there is no
spring
> anywhere on my dipstick...
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
> smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Date: 6/12/24 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Asa Jay Laughton
> <asajay at asajay.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>
> Chris,
> The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang
dipstick
> chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two halves.
> You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the same
thing
> done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and transfer
it
> over.
> Or, they can just fix your existing one.
> It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball
>> <ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted together, and the
> full
>> level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place. I'm
> worried
>> the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one can
> order
>> a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length? That
> would
>> alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks to be
> on
>> the dipstick.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Chris
>>
> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of
>> Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
>> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
> <asajay at asajay.com>
>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>>
>> Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing
> oil
>> into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the
> end
>> of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating
> assembly.
>> If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in
> relation to
>> the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid
> for
>> the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.
>> Julian
>> ________________________________
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of
>> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
>> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>> Hi Mike,
>> I agree on both methods. They are of course a pain in the arse in
>> either case. No pun intended.
>> Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
>> referring to the Cleveland pan?
>> I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
>> dipstick. In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil
> to
>> show on the stick. Then he was blowing oil all over when driving.
> We
>> drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock
> pan,
>> then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
>> In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
>> dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level
> concrete.
>> The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut
> and
>> braze back together.
>> I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five
> quarts,
>> and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that
> pan.
>> I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
>> amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other
> methods.
>> Thank you,
>> Asa Jay
>> Sent via radio waves
>>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> AJ,
>>>
>>> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts
> while
>> the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
>>>
>>> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.
>>>
>>> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and
either
>> verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
>>>
>>> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that
>> number.
>>>
>>> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a
>> standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill
> the
>> motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
>> Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
>>>>
>>>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
>>>>
>>>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at Replacement
>>>> Parts | Page 3 of 3
>>>> [3]aviaid.com
>>>> [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
>>>>
>>>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan. I know based on the shape
>> that it
>>>> should hold more than five. However, does anyone here have
>> experience
>>>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I
>> don't
>>>> know if it's been calibrated properly.
>>>>
>>>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a
>> stock
>>>> dipstick?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>
>>>> Sent via radio waves
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> 2.
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