[DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

Mike Drew mikeldrew at aol.com
Tue Jun 11 22:52:25 EDT 2024 

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Mike



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> On Jun 11, 2024, at 19:47, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Since Larry didn’t actually write anything, you may have missed the photo he attached that was all the way at the bottom. 
> 
> It’s a photo I took a number of years ago, showing a stock Pantera dipstick of the appropriate 38-inch length, with tape above the ‘full’ and below the ‘add’ marks, and a ruler alongside. 
> 
> 
> 
> This shows the appropriate depth, at least according to Ford, for the Pantera. 
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:54, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/11/24, 5:09 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Correct Julian; however, this engine does not have the original stick
>> and I believe the aftermarket one is wrong.
>> 
>> 
>> Asa Jay
>> Sent via radio waves
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 14:01, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing oil
>> into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the end
>> of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating assembly.
>> If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in relation to
>> the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid for
>> the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.
>> 
>> 
>> Julian
>> _______________________________________________________________
>> 
>> 
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
>> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
>> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>>
>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> I agree on both methods. They are of course a pain in the arse in
>> either case. No pun intended.
>> Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
>> referring to the Cleveland pan?
>> I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
>> dipstick. In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil to
>> show on the stick. Then he was blowing oil all over when driving. We
>> drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock pan,
>> then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
>> In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
>> dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level concrete.
>> The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut and
>> braze back together.
>> I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five quarts,
>> and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that pan.
>> I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
>> amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other methods.
>> Thank you,
>> Asa Jay
>> Sent via radio waves
>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> AJ,
>>> 
>>> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts while
>> the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
>>> 
>>> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.
>>> 
>>> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and either
>> verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
>>> 
>>> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that
>> number.
>>> 
>>> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a
>> standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill the
>> motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
>> Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
>>>> 
>>>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
>>>> 
>>>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at Replacement
>>>> Parts | Page 3 of 3
>>>> [3]aviaid.com
>>>> [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
>>>> 
>>>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan. I know based on the shape
>> that it
>>>> should hold more than five. However, does anyone here have
>> experience
>>>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I
>> don't
>>>> know if it's been calibrated properly.
>>>> 
>>>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a
>> stock
>>>> dipstick?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> 
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>> 
>>>> Sent via radio waves
>>>> 
>>>> References
>>>> 
>>>> Visible links
>>>> 1. tel:155-55367
>>>> 2.
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   Here it is again I hope.

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   Mike

   Sent from my iPad

     On Jun 11, 2024, at 19:47, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:

     Since Larry didn't actually write anything, you may have missed the
     photo he attached that was all the way at the bottom.

   It's a photo I took a number of years ago, showing a stock Pantera
   dipstick of the appropriate 38-inch length, with tape above the `full'
   and below the `add' marks, and a ruler alongside.
   image0.jpeg
   This shows the appropriate depth, at least according to Ford, for the
   Pantera.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad

     On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:54, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
     wrote:

   On 6/11/24, 5:09 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton via
   DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
   Correct Julian; however, this engine does not have the original stick
   and I believe the aftermarket one is wrong.
   Asa Jay
   Sent via radio waves
   On Jun 11, 2024, at 14:01, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com
   <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
   wrote:
   Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing oil
   into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the end
   of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating assembly.
   If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in relation to
   the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid for
   the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.
   Julian
   _______________________________________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
   Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
   Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
   To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
   Hi Mike,
   I agree on both methods. They are of course a pain in the arse in
   either case. No pun intended.
   Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
   referring to the Cleveland pan?
   I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
   dipstick. In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil to
   show on the stick. Then he was blowing oil all over when driving. We
   drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock pan,
   then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
   In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
   dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level concrete.
   The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut and
   braze back together.
   I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five quarts,
   and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that pan.
   I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
   amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other methods.
   Thank you,
   Asa Jay
   Sent via radio waves

     On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com
     <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>> wrote:

     AJ,

     I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts
     while

   the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?

     Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.

     The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and either

   verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.

     Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that

   number.

     If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a

   standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill the
   motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
   Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.

     Mike

     Sent from my iPad

     On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso

   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:

     All,

     On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:

     [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S

     [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at Replacement

     Parts | Page 3 of 3

     [3]aviaid.com

     [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]

     Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan. I know based on the shape

   that it

     should hold more than five. However, does anyone here have

   experience

     with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I

   don't

     know if it's been calibrated properly.

     If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a

   stock

     dipstick?

     Thank you,

     Asa Jay

     Sent via radio waves

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