[DeTomaso] Hall 15" Ultra 15x10.5" and 12.5" Wheels on BaT

Wed Jan 31 16:49:32 EST 2024

 For once I fully agree with Mike Drew. Hall Ultra wheels from the '90s are lightweight 3-piece RACING wheels apparently designed for a 1500 lb formula car. Racers that use 3-piece wheels scrap them on a set time schedule ala IMSA. On a 3300 lb Pantera they are seriously overloaded from the start so the rims WILL crack over time. 
Hall no longer sells these wheels & the one-man shop that made the inners and outers for Gary passed away decades ago, as did Mr Hall. There are no NOS replacements and the unknown aluminum alloy used has proven not weldable. The fragile spun rims are a custom size to fit Hall's own small OD centers so other similar spun-wheel-halves won't bolt on. 
It's possible to find a wheel shop that does custom work and will reproduce an inner or outer rim to match but it will not be at Hall's old price! For any Ultra wheels still in service, I recommend expert yearly X-ray checking; do not EVER curb these wheels or go off-road! I once worked on a car that had new-appearing Ultra wheels mounted, and a year later the owner had a rear inner-half crack horizontally under the tire bead, some 300 miles from home. Looong flatbed truck ride. My 2 cents- Jack
    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 08:07:22 PM PST, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:  

 Mike,

That’s standard for GT5 Panteras so tires are available from Pirelli and Michelin. 

The wheels themselves are scrap, though. Dangerous to run on a car and it’s rather unconscionable to offer them up for sale IMHO, considering all the failures they have experienced over the years. They really should be in a recycling bin. 

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2024, at 18:23, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   Just try to find tires for these.  Nice looking.
> 
> 
>  [1]No Reserve: 15x10.5" and 15x12.5" Hall Ultra Wheels for DeTomaso
>  Pantera for sale on BaT Auctions - ending February 4 (Lot #135,397) |
>  Bring a Trailer
> 
> 
>  Mike Thomas
> 
> References
> 
>  1. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/hall-ultra-wheels/
> _______________________________________________
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> DeTomaso mailing list
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

_______________________________________________

Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
DeTomaso mailing list
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.  
-------------- next part --------------
   For once I fully agree with Mike Drew. Hall Ultra wheels from the '90s
   are lightweight 3-piece RACING wheels apparently designed for a 1500 lb
   formula car. Racers that use 3-piece wheels scrap them on a set time
   schedule ala IMSA. On a 3300 lb Pantera they are seriously overloaded
   from the start so the rims WILL crack over time.
   Hall no longer sells these wheels & the one-man shop that made the
   inners and outers for Gary passed away decades ago, as did Mr Hall.
   There are no NOS replacements and the unknown aluminum alloy used has
   proven not weldable. The fragile spun rims are a custom size to fit
   Hall's own small OD centers so other similar spun-wheel-halves won't
   bolt on.
   It's possible to find a wheel shop that does custom work and will
   reproduce an inner or outer rim to match but it will not be at Hall's
   old price! For any Ultra wheels still in service, I recommend
   expert yearly X-ray checking; do not EVER curb these wheels or go
   off-road! I once worked on a car that had new-appearing Ultra wheels
   mounted, and a year later the owner had a rear inner-half crack
   horizontally under the tire bead, some 300 miles from home. Looong
   flatbed truck ride. My 2 cents- Jack

   On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 08:07:22 PM PST, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   Mike,
   Thatas standard for GT5 Panteras so tires are available from Pirelli
   and Michelin.
   The wheels themselves are scrap, though. Dangerous to run on a car and
   itas rather unconscionable to offer them up for sale IMHO, considering
   all the failures they have experienced over the years. They really
   should be in a recycling bin.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Jan 29, 2024, at 18:23, Mike & Elizabeth
   <[1]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   > i>>?  Just try to find tires for these.  Nice looking.
   >
   >
   >  [1]No Reserve: 15x10.5" and 15x12.5" Hall Ultra Wheels for DeTomaso
   >  Pantera for sale on BaT Auctions - ending February 4 (Lot #135,397)
   |
   >  Bring a Trailer
   >
   >
   >  Mike Thomas
   >
   > References
   >
   >  1. [2]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/hall-ultra-wheels/
   > _______________________________________________
   >
   >
   > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   > DeTomaso mailing list
   > [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >
   > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.
   >
   > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   _______________________________________________
   Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   DeTomaso mailing list
   [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.
   Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.

References

   1. mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
   2. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/hall-ultra-wheels/
   3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso