[DeTomaso] Odd problem - Current source for Cleveland T-stat?

Sat May 13 16:56:52 EDT 2023

Thank you, I sure hope you're right, I would like to be able to help others in the same way I've been helped over the years.

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From: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Date: 5/13/23 1:23 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>, 'Christopher Kimball' <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, 'Forest Goodhart' <forestg at att.net>, 'MIKE DREW' <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: 'Pantera Owners Club of America' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem - Current source for Cleveland T-stat?

Chris,
Answering questions and helping other members is what we are here for!

You be answering questions some day to help others.

M

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-------- Original message --------
From: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
Date: 5/13/23 1:15 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: 'Christopher Kimball' <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, 'Forest Goodhart' <forestg at att.net>, 'MIKE DREW' <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: 'Pantera Owners Club of America' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem - Current source for Cleveland T-stat?

We'll need to source the correct T-stat in case that is the issue.  Chris,
you'll also need to get three gallons of your coolant of choice so we can
refill and burp the system.  Also drain pans and plastic bottles of some
type to drain the coolant into.  We won't need to completely drain the
system, just enough to pull the pipe off of the T-stat to see if there is an
issue.  You will also need a T-stat gasket, should come with a new unit.

Who sources the correct T-stat for a Cleveland these days?

Mike Thomas

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
Christopher Kimball
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 9:40 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Forest Goodhart
<forestg at att.net>; MIKE DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem

That makes sense.  A couple of guys from PNW are coming over a week from
tomorrow to help me remove the thermostat so I can determine what kind I
need to get to replace it.  We'll also look at why the passenger door no
longer opens from the outside...

I just hate having to keep asking for help from everyone all the time.

Thank you!

Sincerely,

Chris

________________________________
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 7:30 PM
To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Forest Goodhart
<forestg at att.net>; MIKE DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem

So, it may all be working as designed and we are trying to find a solution
to a problem that doesn't exist.....

What is your thermostat rating? If the thermostat is 185F, it sounds like
the gauge in the block is reading the correct temperature, then once the
thermostat opens it allows a rush of cooler coolant and the gauges typically
drop. If the second fan thermostatic switch is 185F as original the second
fan might not come on as the coolant in the radiator is being cooled and
slightly colder.

Julian

________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 5:51 PM
To: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>; MIKE DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem

Ah, that's good information!   The 1st fan turned on, the 2nd one however
didn't.

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-------- Original message --------
From: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
Date: 5/12/23 5:42 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: MIKE DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>, Christopher Kimball
<ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem

Chris,

The fan sensors are located in the radiator. If the T stat is stuck closed
the hot coolant is trapped in the engine and does not make it to the
radiator and sensors, thus no fan.

Forest

On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 05:32:05 PM PDT, Christopher Kimball
<chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:

  I have heard stories such as that, and that's one of the reasons why I
  added that 2nd gauge because the stock gauge goes to the swirl tank
  which always seems silly to me for the very reasons you state!
    The gauge going to the block was reading higher than it normally does,
  however. At normal times the block gauge never goes above 160 or 170.
  This time it was above 185 and appeared to be climbing. Someone said a
  stuck thermostat could be the problem, and that seems to be a good
  idea, but it doesn't explain why my 2nd radiator fan didn't come on.
    What is the best way to check to see if a radiator fan is going to
  turn on when it should? Do I just let the car sit in the driveway and
  idle until the gauge gets really hot and if the fan hasn't turned on
  then I know the little sensor isn't working? Or is there a more
  effective way? Thank you for your help.
  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
  smartphone
  -------- Original message --------
  From: MIKE DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com<mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>>
  Date: 5/12/23 5:22 PM (GMT-08:00)
  To: Christopher Kimball
<chrisvkimball at msn.com<mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com>>
  Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem

  Chris,
  Is your primary sender still located in the pressure tank?
  You say the secondary sender is on the block and that gauge was reading
  normal at all times. I would regard that one as Truth and the
  fluctuating one as Rumor.
  What's your water level like?
  When I first got my Pantera I drove it down to Jack DeRyke's house. On
  the way I noticed the temp gauge rising alarmingly, but then it came
  down again. Then it went way down, and then the motor started rattling
  and steam came out, so I pulled over on the freeway.
  Mike DeRyke came ti the rescue with a 5-gallon can of water. We topped
  it off, I drove a but further, topped it off again etc until I got to
  their house.
  A hose clamp had come loose and one of the radiator hoses under the car
  had partially come off. It was a simple matter to put it back into
  place and tighten it up and then refill the system. But it showed me
  the value of having the e gone temperature measured on the engine, not
  the bottle. As the fluid level dropped the car started overheating
  which reflected on the gauge. As it further dropped, the tank became
  empty and themselves started reading ambient air temperature which is
  why the gauge fell. In the meantime the engine was cooking itself.
  Lucky it started steaming and rattling before it just blew up entirely!
  Mike
  Sent from my iPad
  > On May 12, 2023, at 14:53, Christopher Kimball
  <chrisvkimball at msn.com<mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com>> wrote:
  >
  >    Hi folks, a funny thing happened on the way to the Rotary meeting.
  My
  >  car's heat gauge began to show hotter and hotter and was in the red
  >  pretty deep. The secondary gauge I have installed which comes from
  the
  >  block showed the temperature getting to about 185 or so. My first
  fan
  >  kicked on, but the 2nd fan never did.  Normally it comes on shortly
  >  after the first one.  I don't know if the gages were reading
  >  incorrectly or what, but it seemed as though the gauges were
  continuing
  >  to climb.
  >
  >  On my way home the same thing happened until about half way home
  when
  >  all of a sudden both gauges dropped down to their normal range. Any
  >  ideas?
  >
  >  Thanks.
  >
  >  Sincerely,
  >
  >  Chris
  >
  >  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
  >  smartphone
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   Thank you, I sure hope you're right, I would like to be able to help
   others in the same way I've been helped over the years.

   Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
   smartphone

   -------- Original message --------

   From: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>

   Date: 5/13/23 1:23 PM (GMT-08:00)

   To: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>, 'Christopher Kimball'
   <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>,
   'Forest Goodhart' <forestg at att.net>, 'MIKE DREW' <mikeldrew at aol.com>

   Cc: 'Pantera Owners Club of America' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem - Current source for Cleveland
   T-stat?

   Chris,
   Answering questions and helping other members is what we are here for!
   You be answering questions some day to help others.
   M
   Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
   -------- Original message --------
   From: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
   Date: 5/13/23 1:15 PM (GMT-08:00)
   To: 'Christopher Kimball' <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, 'Julian Kift'
   <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, 'Forest Goodhart' <forestg at att.net>, 'MIKE
   DREW' <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Cc: 'Pantera Owners Club of America' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem - Current source for Cleveland
   T-stat?
   We'll need to source the correct T-stat in case that is the issue.
   Chris,
   you'll also need to get three gallons of your coolant of choice so we
   can
   refill and burp the system.  Also drain pans and plastic bottles of
   some
   type to drain the coolant into.  We won't need to completely drain the
   system, just enough to pull the pipe off of the T-stat to see if there
   is an
   issue.  You will also need a T-stat gasket, should come with a new
   unit.
   Who sources the correct T-stat for a Cleveland these days?
   Mike Thomas
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
   Christopher Kimball
   Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 9:40 PM
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Forest Goodhart
   <forestg at att.net>; MIKE DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem
   That makes sense.  A couple of guys from PNW are coming over a week
   from
   tomorrow to help me remove the thermostat so I can determine what kind
   I
   need to get to replace it.  We'll also look at why the passenger door
   no
   longer opens from the outside...
   I just hate having to keep asking for help from everyone all the time.
   Thank you!
   Sincerely,
   Chris
   ________________________________
   From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 7:30 PM
   To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Forest Goodhart
   <forestg at att.net>; MIKE DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem
   So, it may all be working as designed and we are trying to find a
   solution
   to a problem that doesn't exist.....
   What is your thermostat rating? If the thermostat is 185F, it sounds
   like
   the gauge in the block is reading the correct temperature, then once
   the
   thermostat opens it allows a rush of cooler coolant and the gauges
   typically
   drop. If the second fan thermostatic switch is 185F as original the
   second
   fan might not come on as the coolant in the radiator is being cooled
   and
   slightly colder.
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
   Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 5:51 PM
   To: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>; MIKE DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem
   Ah, that's good information!   The 1st fan turned on, the 2nd one
   however
   didn't.
   Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
   smartphone
   -------- Original message --------
   From: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
   Date: 5/12/23 5:42 PM (GMT-08:00)
   To: MIKE DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>, Christopher Kimball
   <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
   Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem
   Chris,
   The fan sensors are located in the radiator. If the T stat is stuck
   closed
   the hot coolant is trapped in the engine and does not make it to the
   radiator and sensors, thus no fan.
   Forest
   On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 05:32:05 PM PDT, Christopher Kimball
   <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
     I have heard stories such as that, and that's one of the reasons why
   I
     added that 2nd gauge because the stock gauge goes to the swirl tank
     which always seems silly to me for the very reasons you state!
       The gauge going to the block was reading higher than it normally
   does,
     however. At normal times the block gauge never goes above 160 or 170.
     This time it was above 185 and appeared to be climbing. Someone said
   a
     stuck thermostat could be the problem, and that seems to be a good
     idea, but it doesn't explain why my 2nd radiator fan didn't come on.
       What is the best way to check to see if a radiator fan is going to
     turn on when it should? Do I just let the car sit in the driveway and
     idle until the gauge gets really hot and if the fan hasn't turned on
     then I know the little sensor isn't working? Or is there a more
     effective way? Thank you for your help.
     Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
     smartphone
     -------- Original message --------
     From: MIKE DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com<mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>>
     Date: 5/12/23 5:22 PM (GMT-08:00)
     To: Christopher Kimball
   <chrisvkimball at msn.com<mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com>>
     Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   om>>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd problem
     Chris,
     Is your primary sender still located in the pressure tank?
     You say the secondary sender is on the block and that gauge was
   reading
     normal at all times. I would regard that one as Truth and the
     fluctuating one as Rumor.
     What's your water level like?
     When I first got my Pantera I drove it down to Jack DeRyke's house.
   On
     the way I noticed the temp gauge rising alarmingly, but then it came
     down again. Then it went way down, and then the motor started
   rattling
     and steam came out, so I pulled over on the freeway.
     Mike DeRyke came ti the rescue with a 5-gallon can of water. We
   topped
     it off, I drove a but further, topped it off again etc until I got to
     their house.
     A hose clamp had come loose and one of the radiator hoses under the
   car
     had partially come off. It was a simple matter to put it back into
     place and tighten it up and then refill the system. But it showed me
     the value of having the e gone temperature measured on the engine,
   not
     the bottle. As the fluid level dropped the car started overheating
     which reflected on the gauge. As it further dropped, the tank became
     empty and themselves started reading ambient air temperature which is
     why the gauge fell. In the meantime the engine was cooking itself.
     Lucky it started steaming and rattling before it just blew up
   entirely!
     Mike
     Sent from my iPad
     > On May 12, 2023, at 14:53, Christopher Kimball
     <chrisvkimball at msn.com<mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com>> wrote:
     >
     >    Hi folks, a funny thing happened on the way to the Rotary
   meeting.
     My
     >  car's heat gauge began to show hotter and hotter and was in the
   red
     >  pretty deep. The secondary gauge I have installed which comes from
     the
     >  block showed the temperature getting to about 185 or so. My first
     fan
     >  kicked on, but the 2nd fan never did.  Normally it comes on
   shortly
     >  after the first one.  I don't know if the gages were reading
     >  incorrectly or what, but it seemed as though the gauges were
     continuing
     >  to climb.
     >
     >  On my way home the same thing happened until about half way home
     when
     >  all of a sudden both gauges dropped down to their normal range.
   Any
     >  ideas?
     >
     >  Thanks.
     >
     >  Sincerely,
     >
     >  Chris
     >
     >  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
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