[DeTomaso] Tesla Drivers???
Mike Drew
mikeldrew at aol.com
Sun Sep 4 16:13:35 EDT 2022
Way back when Tesla first started, Garth Rodericks’ late brother Todd was the chief battery engineer for Tesla, and he used to drive the development mule for the Tesla sports car (remember that? Two-seat mid-‘engine’ on a Lotus Elise chassis) to the PCNC meetings.
He told me the battery pack was made by connecting about a billion 35mm camera batteries together. The problem was that if one failed there was no way to know which one it was.
Todd was a super, super guy….:(
Mike
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> On Sep 4, 2022, at 13:06, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> I have been told that the EV batteries are a bunch of little batteries
> in one housing. The bad batteries can be replaced. If we knew the
> failure mode this would mean a lot more.
>
> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 10:11:10 AM PDT, Bill Lewis
> <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Will, what does "...the battery pack died...." mean.
> An ICE engine can be rebuilt with new parts, etc. So, the battery
> can't be rebuilt internally?? Maybe they will invent a new "potion"
> to
> pour into the battery? Possibly, that will be a whole new local
> industry, like a local auto repair shop?
> That is a lot of miles on a car, by the way! ---BILL L
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
> Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 12:38 PM
> To: Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Konrad Szwab
> <[4]kszwab at gmail.com>; Detomaso List
> <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
> Larry Stock <[6]larrys at panteraparts.com>; Ken Green
> <[7]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tesla Drivers???
> The batteries are a real problem.
> My 2001 Honda Insight got 73mpg when it was new. It drove like a
> typical compact.
> The battery pack died at 70K miles. The cost to replace was $4K at
> the
> dealer. I did it myself for $1.2K. As stated, you can buy a lot of
> gas for $1.2K.
> The second battery pack died after another 60K miles. This time I
> replaced it with a "better battery". It was $1K.
> The third battery pack died after another 60K miles. I replaced it
> one
> final time. This one lasted about 50K miles.
> We put 250K miles on the Insight. We loved the car. I just got
> turned
> off at having to change batteries, plus as they age, they take longer
> to charge. That's from my experience, anyway.
> Those doing math realize 70K + 60K + 60K + 50K = 240K. For the other
> 10K, we drove with a dead battery. Yes, you can do that on this type
> of hybrid. The battery only serves as to boost the engine under high
> load situations - acceleration, passing, etc. It's a real turd
> without
> the battery.
> Btw, I don't know if they're still doing it, but there was a company
> that converted Honda Insights to a Honda S2000 drivetrain - and they
> still got 40-45mpg!! So, a big part of the Insight's MPG is the
> aero,
> plus the weight. They were under 2,000 lbs.
> On 9/3/22, 7:56 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
> <[8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [9]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Although EV batteries are expensive, the invoice is for a
> first-generation Chevy Volt NiMH battery, it's an antique for
> which GM
> no longer supports or manufacturers the battery. If you are
> determined
> to keep an old obsolete antique on the road it can add
> up.....!
> Some of the OEM's are developing swappable cells so there
> won't
> be a
> need to replace the whole unit for a defective cell. The
> average
> modern
> Li-ion battery has 3,500+ charge life, with a range of 400
> miles,
> that's 1.4M miles or 93 years for the average driver of
> 15,000
> miles
> annually.
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> on
> behalf of
> Ken Green via DeTomaso <[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2022 3:30 PM
> To: Konrad Szwab <[12]kszwab at gmail.com>; Detomaso List
> <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Larry Stock
> <[14]larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tesla Drivers???
> You can buy a lot of gas for $27,000:
> On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 01:57:05 PM PDT, Larry
> Stock
> <[15]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> I think Electric cars have their place in society just like
> Trucks and
> golf carts do.
> Larry
> On 9/2/22, 1:49 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Konrad Szwab"
> <[16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [17]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think electric cars are the way of the future, for
> better or
> worse,
> due to governmental regulation. I hate my cars being
> demonized by
> these
> arrogant "holier than thou" hypocrites, personally,
> although at
> some
> point I do plan to get an electric car just to get used
> to
> it. I
> think
> as commuter cars for going to work they are great and
> that
> is
> about it.
> I still recall about a year ago the pissed off looks a
> Tesla
> driving
> dude was giving me when my now dead truck was idling
> nicely with
> the
> exhaust perfectly placed near his open window at a
> stoplight. The
> V8
> being a straight pipe the noise was an added factor for
> Konrad
> enjoying
> himself being a total ass :)
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 3:42 PM Julian Kift
> <[1][18]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> A A Yes, I see that often now, there's a
> proliferation
> of
> Tesla's
> here in
> A A Reno with the Gigafactory close by.
> A A I drove my first Tesla about a month ago in
> Montreal,
> rental
> cars were
> A A in high demand, and all they had available was a
> Tesla 3.
> Once
> I
> A A figured out the card (key) swipe to make it work
> it
> was
> easy. I
> have to
> A A say that rush and pinning to the seat as you
> press
> the go
> pedal
> hard is
> A A exhilarating, but (and it's a big butt)
> everything
> else
> was
> just
> A A boring, there is literally nothing else to get
> excited
> about,
> it has no
> A A soul, it gets you from A to B in a utilitarian
> there's an
> 'app
> for
> A A that' kind of way. On the interaction side I
> found
> it
> annoying
> more
> A A than anything (in a kind of nagging wife way)
> and I
> ended
> up
> navigating
> A A using my iPhone for a more direct route.
> A A So, to answer your question, I think it's more
> of a
> case
> of the
> only
> A A pleasure one can derive from driving a Tesla is
> the
> instantaneous
> A A torque away from the lights, after that the
> battery
> efficiency
> warning
> A A light comes on and one is chastised into
> fictitiously
> saving
> the planet
> A A once more.
> A A Julian
> A A
> A
> __________________________________________________________________
> A A From: DeTomaso
> <[2][19]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
> A A Corey Price <[3][20]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> A A Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 12:52 PM
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> <[4][21]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Tesla Drivers???
> A A So reading about Konrad's unfortunate
> experience,
> he
> mentioned
> A A something about Tesla drivers. I have had
> multiple
> Tesla
> drivers
> A A wanting to race me since I got my Pantera on the
> street.
> The
> first one
> A A was interesting and I let him go, not wanting to
> race on
> the
> street.
> A A The next few got annoying and I wanted nothing
> to
> do with
> that.
> I'll
> A A enjoy my car the way I want to, thank you.
> Anyone
> else
> experienced this
> A A sudden desire of Tesla owners to race you?
> A A Corey
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