[DeTomaso] alternate transaxle
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Thu Oct 27 16:28:24 EDT 2022
All,
Yes, that is my Pantera with the Quaife.
The installation was fairly straightforward in the inverted format. The
trans worked great at Road America but for the fact that we underfilled it
because the fill hole was lower in the inverted format. So, at Road
America, it overheated (or at least we thought it did). When we got back
to Phoenix, we pulled it apart and found that Quaife had made a mistake
when they cut the gears for the inverted format. They inverted/reversed
the cut of the helix properly, but had neglected to reverse the "drive" and
"coast" sides of the cut for the teeth. So, in effect, we were driving on
the "coast" side of the CWP. After pointing that out to Quaife, which
frankly they were surprised to see, they have agreed to fix it with the
proper/corrected cut to the CWP teeth. I am not sure when it will be
available, but soon
In the meantime, we have reassembled the gearbox and adjusted the
clearances to run better on the coast side (as you would for a 4-wheel
drive front axle). We also added an external electric oil pump and oil
cooler. We tested last week before we head to Daytona with the Pantera for
the HSR Classic 24 and sprint races. [We are racing the Pantera in the
sprint races (not the 24-hour) -- unless the Panoz breaks, at which point
the Pantera will be swapped to start the 24-hour from the rear.] Oil temps
were under 180 and the trans shifted beautifully. We are hopeful that we
make it through the Daytona weekend without issues, and that the
replacement CWP with the proper cut are available shortly thereafter.
If in fact Quaife gets the act together on the replacement CWP, I can say
the gearbox shifts beautifully and is a work of art. For me, the decision
was simple to not blow up the original matching ZF and motor combo, which
are not sitting together on a shelf for whomever buys this car when I am
gone. We have very much approached this Quaife install as an engineering
experiment because I had it sitting in my shop for my GT40 racecar. I have
so enjoyed racing the Pantera that I will assemble and sell the GT40 - so I
put a Getrag in the GT40 and moved the Quaife to the Pantera. With the
exchange rate, it is not horribly expensive.
I will update the group in a few weeks after Daytona. Fingers crossed.
If anyone is interested, we can provide all the details on the install.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 480-442-0297
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On Thu, Oct 27, 2022, 10:41 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> That looks like the Quaife gearbox, Steve Lisa’s car?
>
> You should just have your ZF rebuilt. Frame Jerome, Les Gray, Dennis
> Quella, Lloyd Butfoy, Ron McCall, take your pick….
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 27, 2022, at 10:36, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Steve and Forum,
> >
> > Could that be Steve Lisa's white race Pantera with an
> "alternate" transaxle in it? IIRC, he was going to use one, but my memory
> fails me. If it is Steve Lisa's, then all will be known when he chimes
> in.
> >
> > Warmest regards, Chuck Englesl
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of Steven Edwards
> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 12:29 PM
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] alternate transaxle
> >
> >
> > I have a car that may need a new transaxle. This was in a race car, my
> memory is not that good, so please refresh me.
> > Wondering if this transaxle worked and it performance.
> > Please give cost and where you got it and how long? Thanks
> >
> > Steven Edwards
> >
> >
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All,A
Yes, that is my Pantera with the Quaife.
The installation was fairly straightforward in the inverted format.A
The trans worked great at Road America but for the fact that we
underfilled it because the fill hole was lower in the inverted
format.A So, at Road America, it overheated (or at least we thought it
did).A A When we got back to Phoenix, we pulled it apart and found
that Quaife had made a mistake whenA they cut the gears for the
inverted format.A They inverted/reversed the cut of the helix
properly, but had neglectedA to reverse the "drive" and "coast" sides
of the cut for the teeth.A So, in effect, we were driving on the
"coast" side of the CWP.A After pointing that out to Quaife, which
frankly they were surprised to see, they have agreed to fix it with the
proper/corrected cut to the CWP teeth. I am not sure when it will be
available, but soonA A
In the meantime, we have reassembled the gearbox and adjusted the
clearances to run better on the coast side (as you would for a 4-wheel
drive front axle).A We also added an external electric oil pump and
oil cooler.A We tested last week before we head to Daytona with the
Pantera for the HSR Classic 24 and sprint races.A [We are racing the
Pantera in the sprint races (not the 24-hour) -- unless the Panoz
breaks, at which point the Pantera will be swapped to start the 24-hour
from the rear.]A Oil temps were under 180 and the trans shifted
beautifully.A We are hopeful that we make it through the Daytona
weekend without issues, and that the replacement CWP with the proper
cut are available shortly thereafter.
If in fact Quaife gets the act together on the replacement CWP, I can
say the gearbox shifts beautifully and is a work of art.A For me, the
decision was simple to not blow up the original matching ZF and motor
combo, which are not sitting together on a shelf for whomever buys this
car when I am gone.A We have very much approached this Quaife install
as an engineering experiment because I had it sitting in my shop for my
GT40 racecar.A I have so enjoyed racing the Pantera that I will
assemble and sell the GT40 - so I put a Getrag in the GT40 and moved
the Quaife to the Pantera. With the exchange rate, it is not horribly
expensive.A
I will update the group in a few weeks after Daytona.A Fingers
crossed.
If anyone is interested, we can provide all the details on the install.
A A
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct:A 480-442-0297
[1]www.PatentIt.com
Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
|A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Chicago OfficeA |A P:A 312.752.4357A |A A F:A 312.896.5633A
|A A A:A 55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain
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you.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2022, 10:41 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
That looks like the Quaife gearbox, Steve Lisaas car?
You should just have your ZF rebuilt. Frame Jerome, Les Gray, Dennis
Quella, Lloyd Butfoy, Ron McCall, take your picka|.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 27, 2022, at 10:36, Charles Engles <[3]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> i>>?Dear Steve and Forum,
>
>A A A A A Could that be Steve Lisa's white race Pantera with
an "alternate" transaxle in it?A IIRC, he was going to use one, but
my memory fails me.A A If it is Steve Lisa's, then all will be
known when he chimes in.
>
>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards, Chuck
Englesl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of
Steven Edwards
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 12:29 PM
> To: [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] alternate transaxle
>
>
> I have a car that may need a new transaxle. This was in a race
car, my memory is not that good, so please refresh me.
> Wondering if this transaxle worked and it performance.
> Please give cost and where you got it and how long?A Thanks
>
> Steven Edwards
>
>
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