[DeTomaso] Non-Pcar: Plane crash. B-17 & P-63
Mike Drew
mikeldrew at aol.com
Thu Nov 17 12:14:34 EST 2022
Bill,
When I started out the mandatory retirement age was 60. It got raised to 65 which wrecked the whole industry for us, because nobody retired for five years so there was no opportunity to advance. Now suddenly there is an onslaught of retirements, and because there was so much stagnation for so many years back then, and wages were artificially depressed after 9/11, comparatively few people entered the industry then so there is a huge shortage now.
As a result of this, some are agitating to raise the retirement age to 67 or higher but there is almost universal pushback against that scheme.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 17, 2022, at 06:23, Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Excellent Mike! So, now there will be hours and hours of meetings to
> get this "Right" for the future.
>
> I'm 81 years old, so I filter everything through "how does age affect
> this" thinking. That's why successful fighter pilots are young-age
> kids.
>
> Isn't there a fairly young must-retire age for commercial pilots? I
> can surely understand this.
>
> Thoughts and prayers for all who are touched by this!
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 10:02 PM
> To: The Goyaniuks <andriykoisg at yahoo.ca>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Bill Lewis
> <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Non-Pcar: Plane crash. B-17 & P-63
>
> All,
> Juan Browne has one of the best YouTube channels for laymen aviation
> enthusiasts. Coincidentally we first met when we flew together in the
> Air Force 31 years ago and he also flies for American Airlines now.
> He did a great analysis of the situation which you can see here:
> [1]https://youtu.be/C342dfNPCyg
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 16, 2022, at 09:52, The Goyaniuks via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> A very very sad aircraft collision.
> The loss of life is tragic.
> Probably the P-63 King Cobra, being a low wing aircraft lost visual
> contact of the B-17.
> The B-17 was at a lower altitude and to the outside of the display
> "race track".
> The video appears to show that the P-63 was inside and tight of the
> track on the approach to the display line..
> As such, the P-63 collided into the B-17's fuselage just aft of the
> wing - severing the B-17.
> The P-63 is a WWII fighter aircraft much faster than the B-17. The
> B-17 is a WWII bomber used mainly in the European theatre by the
> "Mighty" 8th AF.
> B. Goyaniuk
> Pilot and, of course, a proud DeTomaso owner
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 12:38:23 p.m. EST, Bill Lewis
> <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for the change, but this is probably of interest to most:
> "What
> caused the two-plane (WWII planes) crash in Dallas recently?"
> _________________________________________________________________
> _
> From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
> Christopher Kimball <[2]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 5:18 PM
> To: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Cc: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Dan Courtney
> <[6]dan at excaliburre.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New LED Headlight Option?
> I guess my inner "old codger" is setting in... "I remember when
> Milk
> Duds were 5 cents per box...:)"
> ________________________________
> From: MICHAEL DREW <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 8:59 AM
> To: Christopher Kimball <[8]chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Cc: Lashdeep Singh <[9]lashdeep at yahoo.com>;
> [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
> Dan Courtney <[12]dan at excaliburre.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New LED Headlight Option?
> Chris,
> True quality is never cheap. But $200 each is far from expensive
> compared to what has gone before. Recall that good halogen lights
> were
> that much or more at one time....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 16, 2022, at 06:40, Christopher Kimball
>
> <[13]chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Those look great, but at $400 per pair they certainly ain't
>
> cheap!
>
> Chris
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
>
> smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>
> <[14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Date: 11/15/22 8:48 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> To: Lashdeep Singh <[15]lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>
> Cc: [16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, Dan Courtney
>
> <[17]dan at excaliburre.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New LED Headlight Option?
>
> Lashdeep,
>
> Check out this page:
>
> [1][18]https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2
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> The videos do a good job of showing how they work. One important
>
> consideration is depth. Some aftermarket 7-inch LED lights are
>
> much
>
> deeper than sealed beam lights, and may not fit in a Pantera
>
> headlight
>
> bucket. These Holley lights are specifically made to plug right
>
> into
>
> any classic car, so they will fit.....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 16:15, Lashdeep Singh via DeTomaso
>
> <[19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried a good plug and play LED headlight that is
>
> reasonably priced?
>
> Thanks
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 18:38, Dan Courtney
>
> <[20]dan at excaliburre.com>
> wrote:
>
> Larry are these the headlight relays for conversion to Halogen
>
> or
>
> LED?
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
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