[DeTomaso] Daytona Update
jderyke at aol.com
jderyke at aol.com
Sun Nov 6 15:51:36 EST 2022
Steve, years ago I was curious as to how hot the ZF was getting on long runs. so the next time the ZF was out, I drilled & tapped the cases on the right side (due to ring gear load direction) for a second temp sensor. Then I used a 3 position switch so the engine oil temp (left) ZF temp (rt side) or Off (center) could be checked on the fly with a single gauge.
That said, don't write your Quaife off just yet. It sorta sounds like the tranny was maybe overfilled a bit during the usual before-event thrash? Don't know how you'd verify that at this late date.Cheers- J DeRyke (only at Daytona for the bike races)
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From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>; List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 5, 2022 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
Sorry guys, We are done.A A
The Quaife started overheating on the second lap and I stopped on lap
6-7 when it started spewing tranny fluid out the overflow onto the rear
window.A A
We don't know enough to identify what changed between session 1 and
session 2.A Our temp markers (we don't have a tranny temp gauge)
indicated it got to 290 degrees during Tony's race, even though we have
a huge cooler on it, then sat and heat soaked for 5 hours.A
A Something changed in that period.A The gearbox was immediately
difficult to shift and the decided not to shift at all.A A
Sorry guys, we hoped to do better.A This is a bummer weekend.A
We have a long trip home.A A
We are done, I will let you know moreA
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:53 PM Asa Jay Laughton <[2]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
Thumbs up, glad to hear itas going well.
AsaA Jay
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> On Nov 5, 2022, at 13:34, Steve Lisa <[3]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
>
> i>>?A A Stage 1 done, started last and moved up a bit.AA Tony
drove moderately
>A A hard, turned our fastest lap of the weekend, we put in 5
gallons at the
>A A pit stop, and he finished moderately hard.AA We did 18 laps,
and pumped
>A A 8.5 gallons out when we were done.AA So, we didn't need to
fuel.AA We
>A A had 3.5 gallons left.AA So we will just pit and sit for our
mandatory
>A A three minutes.
>A A Regards,A
>A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>A A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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>A A On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 3:10 PM Charles Engles
<[2][5]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
>A A A Dear Steve,
>A A A AA AA AA AA AA A Egad.AA Your predicament makes
current vintage
>A A A racing resemble a chess game!.AA Who knew it was so
complicated?A
>A A A AA AA AA AA AA A Good luck.
>A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA
Warmest regards, Chuck
>A A A Engles
>A A A -----Original Message-----
>A A A From: DeTomaso
[mailto:[3][6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>A A A On Behalf Of Steve Lisa
>A A A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2022 8:33 AM
>A A A To: Scott Couchman
>A A A Cc: MICHAEL DREW; List DeTomaso Forum
>A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
>A A A An interesting strategy issue came up.AA Our 19 gallon
fuel cell
>A A A actually (due to foam) only holds 18.5 gallons.AA We are
burning
>A A A "about" 1 gallon per lap on average through the first 5
sessions of
>A A A the weekend.AA And, at our race pace, we will run at.most
19 laps in
>A A A a session (with no cautions etc).
>A A A We have a mandatory 3 minute pit stop each leg of the
24-hour, and
>A A A the driver has to get out of the car for fueling.AA There
is about
>A A A 40 seconds of pit lane "in-out" time, leaving about 2:20
for driver
>A A A to stop, exit, the crew to fuel, and the driver to get back
in, belt
>A A A up and get going.AA The Pantera is not set up for a dump
can (as was
>A A A not intended to run this 24-hour event).AA It's a very
slow fuel.A
>A A A Plus, the driver cant be getting in the car while the crew
is
>A A A fueling.AA Since I have issued at my age getting in over
the driver
>A A A bars and reaching belts etc., we figure I will need an
extra 60-90
>A A A seconds over the 3 minutes for an old fart like me to get
out/back
>A A A in the car and buckled up and going, in addition to fueling
even a
>A A A few gallons, plus pit in/out time. In short, we will lose
the
>A A A equivalent of average 4-5 seconds in average lap time for
the
>A A A session due to a pit stop over 3 minutes when I am driving.
>A A A If we run our race pace, we will run 19.5 laps, surely
running out
>A A A of fuel if we don't add fuel at the stop.AA If we slow
down 3
>A A A seconds a lap we will run 18 laps, and we should make
it.AA If we
>A A A get a yellow, we are good.
>A A A Our current decision is to run the first session at a
reduced pace
>A A A and not fuel it during the 3 minute stop, hopefully making
it
>A A A through with gas/car preservation mode.AA Then, we will
see what gas
>A A A we have left after the first session (if we don't run
out).AA Even
>A A A if we run out, we will lose at me at one lap ...less then
screwing
>A A A around with me getting in and out.
>A A A But, our best guess is that we should make it, the car will
be
>A A A happier at the slower pace, and we will learn as we go,
adjusting
>A A A for the next three sessions if we continue to make it.
>A A A On my son' Tony's stints, he can get in and out way faster
than me,
>A A A so we can cut him loose a bit and actually throw a few
gallons in
>A A A the car at the mandatory pit and not lose time.
>A A A I guess that's another reason to go on a diet and start
doing yoga.
>A A A It's been fun trying to figure out last minute the move
from the
>A A A sprint races to the 24.
>A A A The guys that finished this year at LeMans we're actually
an
>A A A inspiration for us moving the car to the 24.AA It was an
amazing run
>A A A for them.AA We hope to have good news tomorrow...
>A A A Regards,
>A A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>A A A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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>>A A A On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:28 AM Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
>>A A A [5][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> Mike, Thanks for setting the record straight, and congratulations
>A A A to
>> these winners!
>>
>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 8:36 PM, MICHAEL DREW
<[6][9]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>A A A wrote:
>>>
>>> i>>?a|and in fact, these guys:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> came in FIRST IN CLASS at Le Mans Classic this year, in a
>A A A factory
>>> Gr4
>> car.
>>>
>>> Since the event started in 2004, far more than half the Panteras
>>> entered
>> have finished each year, on average. So it is highly
disrespectful
>A A A of
>> their collective efforts to claim that none have ever finished at
>A A A all.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 22:15, MICHAEL DREW
<[7][10]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>A A A wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i>>?Scott,
>>>>
>>>> You need to pay more attention! Plenty of Panteras have
>A A A finished at
>>>> LMC
>> including this year.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 18:24, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
>> [8][11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i>>?All the LeMans Classics Iave attended, as far as I know,
>A A A no
>>>>> Pantera
>> has finished the entire event. I hope you have much better
>A A A success!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Mike & Elizabeth
>>>>>>> <[9][12]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i>>?Good luck!AA Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
>>>>>> Mike Thomas
>>>>>> Panteras Northwest
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso
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>A A A On
>>>>>> Behalf
>> Of Steve Lisa
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 10:50 AM
>>>>>> To: List DeTomaso Forum
>A A A <[11][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have called the Pantera up to run the 24-hour race, taking
>A A A the
>> place of the Panoz.AA We were having issues with the new Panoz
>A A A motor,
>> and the motor finally let fo.AA So, are here and going to run
the
>> Pantera in the Classic 24-hour instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Pantera has already run 5 sessions this weekend in the
>A A A HSR
>>>>>> Sprint
>> races, with it's fasted time at 2:11.5.AA Because we didn't run
>A A A the
>> qualifying events for the Classic 24-hour event we will be
>A A A starting
>> from the back of Group A (pre-73, early FIA Group 3 and 4 cars, I
>> believe in the GTO class) for the Classic 24, which is fine for a
>A A A long
>> event.AA We will be driving conservatively with goal of
finishing
>A A A the event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition, Goodwood sent some reporters over from England
>A A A to
>>>>>> cover
>> the Daytona event.AA They enjoyed seeing the Pantera race, and
>A A A filmed
>> the car on track and a fun 15 minute interview about the car.A
>> Goodwood also mounted an in-car camera for the upcoming 24-hour
>A A A race.A
>> They are planning a short feature on the Pantera, which is really
>A A A nice
>> of them, but who knows if it will ever get done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I will post updates and results starting tomorrow.A
>A A A There
>>>>>> are
>> six groups, so we rotate out every six hours (i.e., four one-hour
>> races every six hours).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fingers crossed.....we are asked a lot from the car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>>>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>>>>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>>>>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
>>>>>>
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Steve, years ago I was curious as to how hot the ZF was getting on long
runs. so the next time the ZF was out, I drilled & tapped the cases on
the right side (due to ring gear load direction) for a second temp
sensor. Then I used a 3 position switch so the engine oil temp (left)
ZF temp (rt side) or Off (center) could be checked on the fly with a
single gauge.
That said, don't write your Quaife off just yet. It sorta sounds like
the tranny was maybe overfilled a bit during the usual before-event
thrash? Don't know how you'd verify that at this late date.
Cheers- J DeRyke (only at Daytona for the bike races)
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>; List DeTomaso Forum
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 5, 2022 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
Sorry guys, We are done.A A
The Quaife started overheating on the second lap and I stopped on lap
6-7 when it started spewing tranny fluid out the overflow onto the
rear
window.A A
We don't know enough to identify what changed between session 1 and
session 2.A Our temp markers (we don't have a tranny temp gauge)
indicated it got to 290 degrees during Tony's race, even though we
have
a huge cooler on it, then sat and heat soaked for 5 hours.A
A Something changed in that period.A The gearbox was immediately
difficult to shift and the decided not to shift at all.A A
Sorry guys, we hoped to do better.A This is a bummer weekend.A
We have a long trip home.A A
We are done, I will let you know moreA
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: [1]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct:A 480-442-0297
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On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:53 PM Asa Jay Laughton
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wrote:
Thumbs up, glad to hear itas going well.
AsaA Jay
Sent via radio waves
> On Nov 5, 2022, at 13:34, Steve Lisa
<[3][3]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
>
> i>>?A A Stage 1 done, started last and moved up a bit.AA Tony
drove moderately
>A A hard, turned our fastest lap of the weekend, we put in 5
gallons at the
>A A pit stop, and he finished moderately hard.AA We did 18 laps,
and pumped
>A A 8.5 gallons out when we were done.AA So, we didn't need to
fuel.AA We
>A A had 3.5 gallons left.AA So we will just pit and sit for our
mandatory
>A A three minutes.
>A A Regards,A
>A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>A A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>A A Email: [4]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>A A Direct:A 480-442-0297
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>A A On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 3:10 PM Charles Engles
<[2][5][5]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
>A A A Dear Steve,
>A A A AA AA AA AA AA A Egad.AA Your predicament makes
current vintage
>A A A racing resemble a chess game!.AA Who knew it was so
complicated?A
>A A A AA AA AA AA AA A Good luck.
>A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA
Warmest regards, Chuck
>A A A Engles
>A A A -----Original Message-----
>A A A From: DeTomaso
[mailto:[3][6][6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>A A A On Behalf Of Steve Lisa
>A A A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2022 8:33 AM
>A A A To: Scott Couchman
>A A A Cc: MICHAEL DREW; List DeTomaso Forum
>A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
>A A A An interesting strategy issue came up.AA Our 19 gallon
fuel cell
>A A A actually (due to foam) only holds 18.5 gallons.AA We are
burning
>A A A "about" 1 gallon per lap on average through the first 5
sessions of
>A A A the weekend.AA And, at our race pace, we will run at.most
19 laps in
>A A A a session (with no cautions etc).
>A A A We have a mandatory 3 minute pit stop each leg of the
24-hour, and
>A A A the driver has to get out of the car for fueling.AA There
is about
>A A A 40 seconds of pit lane "in-out" time, leaving about 2:20
for driver
>A A A to stop, exit, the crew to fuel, and the driver to get
back
in, belt
>A A A up and get going.AA The Pantera is not set up for a dump
can (as was
>A A A not intended to run this 24-hour event).AA It's a very
slow fuel.A
>A A A Plus, the driver cant be getting in the car while the crew
is
>A A A fueling.AA Since I have issued at my age getting in over
the driver
>A A A bars and reaching belts etc., we figure I will need an
extra 60-90
>A A A seconds over the 3 minutes for an old fart like me to get
out/back
>A A A in the car and buckled up and going, in addition to
fueling
even a
>A A A few gallons, plus pit in/out time. In short, we will lose
the
>A A A equivalent of average 4-5 seconds in average lap time for
the
>A A A session due to a pit stop over 3 minutes when I am
driving.
>A A A If we run our race pace, we will run 19.5 laps, surely
running out
>A A A of fuel if we don't add fuel at the stop.AA If we slow
down 3
>A A A seconds a lap we will run 18 laps, and we should make
it.AA If we
>A A A get a yellow, we are good.
>A A A Our current decision is to run the first session at a
reduced pace
>A A A and not fuel it during the 3 minute stop, hopefully making
it
>A A A through with gas/car preservation mode.AA Then, we will
see what gas
>A A A we have left after the first session (if we don't run
out).AA Even
>A A A if we run out, we will lose at me at one lap ...less then
screwing
>A A A around with me getting in and out.
>A A A But, our best guess is that we should make it, the car
will
be
>A A A happier at the slower pace, and we will learn as we go,
adjusting
>A A A for the next three sessions if we continue to make it.
>A A A On my son' Tony's stints, he can get in and out way faster
than me,
>A A A so we can cut him loose a bit and actually throw a few
gallons in
>A A A the car at the mandatory pit and not lose time.
>A A A I guess that's another reason to go on a diet and start
doing yoga.
>A A A It's been fun trying to figure out last minute the move
from the
>A A A sprint races to the 24.
>A A A The guys that finished this year at LeMans we're actually
an
>A A A inspiration for us moving the car to the 24.AA It was an
amazing run
>A A A for them.AA We hope to have good news tomorrow...
>A A A Regards,
>A A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>A A A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>A A A Email: [7]SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
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>>A A A On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:28 AM Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
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>>A A A [5][8][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> Mike, Thanks for setting the record straight, and
congratulations
>A A A to
>> these winners!
>>
>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 8:36 PM, MICHAEL DREW
<[6][9][9]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>A A A wrote:
>>>
>>> i>>?a|and in fact, these guys:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> came in FIRST IN CLASS at Le Mans Classic this year, in a
>A A A factory
>>> Gr4
>> car.
>>>
>>> Since the event started in 2004, far more than half the
Panteras
>>> entered
>> have finished each year, on average. So it is highly
disrespectful
>A A A of
>> their collective efforts to claim that none have ever finished
at
>A A A all.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 22:15, MICHAEL DREW
<[7][10][10]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>A A A wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i>>?Scott,
>>>>
>>>> You need to pay more attention! Plenty of Panteras have
>A A A finished at
>>>> LMC
>> including this year.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 18:24, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
>> [8][11][11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i>>?All the LeMans Classics Iave attended, as far as I know,
>A A A no
>>>>> Pantera
>> has finished the entire event. I hope you have much better
>A A A success!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Mike & Elizabeth
>>>>>>> <[9][12][12]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i>>?Good luck!AA Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
>>>>>> Mike Thomas
>>>>>> Panteras Northwest
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso
<[10][13][13]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
>A A A On
>>>>>> Behalf
>> Of Steve Lisa
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 10:50 AM
>>>>>> To: List DeTomaso Forum
>A A A <[11][14][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have called the Pantera up to run the 24-hour race,
taking
>A A A the
>> place of the Panoz.AA We were having issues with the new Panoz
>A A A motor,
>> and the motor finally let fo.AA So, are here and going to run
the
>> Pantera in the Classic 24-hour instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Pantera has already run 5 sessions this weekend in the
>A A A HSR
>>>>>> Sprint
>> races, with it's fasted time at 2:11.5.AA Because we didn't run
>A A A the
>> qualifying events for the Classic 24-hour event we will be
>A A A starting
>> from the back of Group A (pre-73, early FIA Group 3 and 4 cars,
I
>> believe in the GTO class) for the Classic 24, which is fine for
a
>A A A long
>> event.AA We will be driving conservatively with goal of
finishing
>A A A the event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition, Goodwood sent some reporters over from England
>A A A to
>>>>>> cover
>> the Daytona event.AA They enjoyed seeing the Pantera race, and
>A A A filmed
>> the car on track and a fun 15 minute interview about the car.A
>> Goodwood also mounted an in-car camera for the upcoming 24-hour
>A A A race.A
>> They are planning a short feature on the Pantera, which is
really
>A A A nice
>> of them, but who knows if it will ever get done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I will post updates and results starting tomorrow.A
>A A A There
>>>>>> are
>> six groups, so we rotate out every six hours (i.e., four
one-hour
>> races every six hours).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fingers crossed.....we are asked a lot from the car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>>>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>>>>> Email: [15]SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>>>>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [12][15]www.PatentIt.com
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