[DeTomaso] Daytona Update
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Sun Nov 6 08:39:28 EST 2022
Thanks all for the kind words.
We will know more when we tear it apart, but we presently think this has to
do with the setup of the Quaife CWP running on the coast side of the
teeth. Our transaxle guy tightened the tolerance to run on the coast side,
and we added a cooler and fan, but the demands of Daytona combined with a
closer tolerance of the CWP likely just generated so much heat (it was over
320 degrees) that it just quit.
For the shorter HSR sprint races it stayed around 250-260 degrees, but for
the first leg of the 24, which is twice as long as the Sprint races, it
cooked to 290 but lived. Then sitting and heat soaking and cooling for a
few hours, something changed. It was not working within 3 laps of the
second stint.
For now, we will pull the engine/trans and inspect everything. We will
surely need some new internal parts for the trans, but regardless, the
Pantera sits until Quaife makes good on the correct CWP with properly cut
gears. In hindsight, we should have waited for Quaife to deliver the
correct CWP before putting this much stress in it.
There was a lot of carnage this year. We blew up a Panoz motor and cooked
the Quaife, but otherwise both cars performed well with three podiums in
the prelim races and are in one piece, with the Pantera actually still
drivable...could be worse.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 11:44 PM Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Sorry to hear that. As I told you when we ran into each other on the grid
> I would have been worried a ZF would overheat, but I thought the Quaife
> would do better. This place is really hard on diffs, so any transaxle is
> going to get hot! I'm surprised the cooler didn't prevent this. Where is it
> located? Maybe it's not getting good airflow?
>
> Better luck next year!
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
> Steve Lisa
> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2022 9:10 PM
> To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> Cc: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>; List DeTomaso Forum <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
>
> We still love the car, everyone here loves it, and I put this on the
> tranny. Not happy, but never giving up.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 9:58 PM Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Steve,
> > Sorry to hear. In jest I would say it was because you weren’t running
> > a ZF. But seriously I hope you find out what it was.
> >
> > You had a good run this go around and I’d bet plenty of people were
> > thrilled with the performance on track at least up to the end.
> >
> > I enjoy hearing how you, Tony, and the Pantera are doing.
> >
> > Asa Jay
> >
> > Sent via radio waves
> >
> > On Nov 5, 2022, at 18:37, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sorry guys, We are done.
> >
> > The Quaife started overheating on the second lap and I stopped on lap
> > 6-7 when it started spewing tranny fluid out the overflow onto the
> > rear window.
> >
> > We don't know enough to identify what changed between session 1 and
> > session 2. Our temp markers (we don't have a tranny temp gauge)
> > indicated it got to 290 degrees during Tony's race, even though we have
> a huge cooler
> > on it, then sat and heat soaked for 5 hours. Something changed in that
> > period. The gearbox was immediately difficult to shift and the
> > decided not to shift at all.
> >
> >
> > Sorry guys, we hoped to do better. This is a bummer weekend.
> >
> >
> > We have a long trip home.
> >
> >
> > We are done, I will let you know more
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> > The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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> > On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:53 PM Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thumbs up, glad to hear it’s going well.
> >>
> >> Asa Jay
> >>
> >> Sent via radio waves
> >>
> >> > On Nov 5, 2022, at 13:34, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Stage 1 done, started last and moved up a bit.A Tony drove
> >> moderately
> >> > hard, turned our fastest lap of the weekend, we put in 5 gallons
> >> > at
> >> the
> >> > pit stop, and he finished moderately hard.A We did 18 laps, and
> >> pumped
> >> > 8.5 gallons out when we were done.A So, we didn't need to fuel.A
> We
> >> > had 3.5 gallons left.A So we will just pit and sit for our
> mandatory
> >> > three minutes.
> >> > Regards,A
> >> > Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> >> > The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 3:10 PM Charles Engles <[2]cengles at cox.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear Steve,
> >> > A A A A A A Egad.A Your predicament makes current vintage
> >> > racing resemble a chess game!.A Who knew it was so complicated?A
> >> > A A A A A A Good luck.
> >> > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards, Chuck
> >> > Engles
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]
> detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> >> > On Behalf Of Steve Lisa
> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2022 8:33 AM
> >> > To: Scott Couchman
> >> > Cc: MICHAEL DREW; List DeTomaso Forum
> >> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
> >> > An interesting strategy issue came up.A Our 19 gallon fuel cell
> >> > actually (due to foam) only holds 18.5 gallons.A We are burning
> >> > "about" 1 gallon per lap on average through the first 5 sessions
> of
> >> > the weekend.A And, at our race pace, we will run at.most 19 laps
> in
> >> > a session (with no cautions etc).
> >> > We have a mandatory 3 minute pit stop each leg of the 24-hour, and
> >> > the driver has to get out of the car for fueling.A There is about
> >> > 40 seconds of pit lane "in-out" time, leaving about 2:20 for
> driver
> >> > to stop, exit, the crew to fuel, and the driver to get back in,
> belt
> >> > up and get going.A The Pantera is not set up for a dump can (as
> was
> >> > not intended to run this 24-hour event).A It's a very slow fuel.A
> >> > Plus, the driver cant be getting in the car while the crew is
> >> > fueling.A Since I have issued at my age getting in over the
> driver
> >> > bars and reaching belts etc., we figure I will need an extra 60-90
> >> > seconds over the 3 minutes for an old fart like me to get out/back
> >> > in the car and buckled up and going, in addition to fueling even a
> >> > few gallons, plus pit in/out time. In short, we will lose the
> >> > equivalent of average 4-5 seconds in average lap time for the
> >> > session due to a pit stop over 3 minutes when I am driving.
> >> > If we run our race pace, we will run 19.5 laps, surely running out
> >> > of fuel if we don't add fuel at the stop.A If we slow down 3
> >> > seconds a lap we will run 18 laps, and we should make it.A If we
> >> > get a yellow, we are good.
> >> > Our current decision is to run the first session at a reduced pace
> >> > and not fuel it during the 3 minute stop, hopefully making it
> >> > through with gas/car preservation mode.A Then, we will see what
> gas
> >> > we have left after the first session (if we don't run out).A Even
> >> > if we run out, we will lose at me at one lap ...less then screwing
> >> > around with me getting in and out.
> >> > But, our best guess is that we should make it, the car will be
> >> > happier at the slower pace, and we will learn as we go, adjusting
> >> > for the next three sessions if we continue to make it.
> >> > On my son' Tony's stints, he can get in and out way faster than
> me,
> >> > so we can cut him loose a bit and actually throw a few gallons in
> >> > the car at the mandatory pit and not lose time.
> >> > I guess that's another reason to go on a diet and start doing
> yoga.
> >> > It's been fun trying to figure out last minute the move from the
> >> > sprint races to the 24.
> >> > The guys that finished this year at LeMans we're actually an
> >> > inspiration for us moving the car to the 24.A It was an amazing
> run
> >> > for them.A We hope to have good news tomorrow...
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> >> > The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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> >> >> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:28 AM Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
> >> >> [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >> >> Mike, Thanks for setting the record straight, and congratulations
> >> > to
> >> >> these winners!
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 8:36 PM, MICHAEL DREW <[6]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> i>>?a|and in fact, these guys:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> came in FIRST IN CLASS at Le Mans Classic this year, in a
> >> > factory
> >> >>> Gr4
> >> >> car.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Since the event started in 2004, far more than half the Panteras
> >> >>> entered
> >> >> have finished each year, on average. So it is highly disrespectful
> >> > of
> >> >> their collective efforts to claim that none have ever finished at
> >> > all.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mike
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 22:15, MICHAEL DREW <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> i>>?Scott,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You need to pay more attention! Plenty of Panteras have
> >> > finished at
> >> >>>> LMC
> >> >> including this year.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Mike
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 18:24, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
> >> >> [8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> i>>?All the LeMans Classics Iave attended, as far as I know,
> >> > no
> >> >>>>> Pantera
> >> >> has finished the entire event. I hope you have much better
> >> > success!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Mike & Elizabeth
> >> >>>>>>> <[9]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> i>>?Good luck!A Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
> >> >>>>>> Mike Thomas
> >> >>>>>> Panteras Northwest
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>>>> From: DeTomaso <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> > On
> >> >>>>>> Behalf
> >> >> Of Steve Lisa
> >> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 10:50 AM
> >> >>>>>> To: List DeTomaso Forum
> >> > <[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> >>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> All,
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> We have called the Pantera up to run the 24-hour race, taking
> >> > the
> >> >> place of the Panoz.A We were having issues with the new Panoz
> >> > motor,
> >> >> and the motor finally let fo.A So, are here and going to run the
> >> >> Pantera in the Classic 24-hour instead.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> The Pantera has already run 5 sessions this weekend in the
> >> > HSR
> >> >>>>>> Sprint
> >> >> races, with it's fasted time at 2:11.5.A Because we didn't run
> >> > the
> >> >> qualifying events for the Classic 24-hour event we will be
> >> > starting
> >> >> from the back of Group A (pre-73, early FIA Group 3 and 4 cars, I
> >> >> believe in the GTO class) for the Classic 24, which is fine for a
> >> > long
> >> >> event.A We will be driving conservatively with goal of finishing
> >> > the event.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> In addition, Goodwood sent some reporters over from England
> >> > to
> >> >>>>>> cover
> >> >> the Daytona event.A They enjoyed seeing the Pantera race, and
> >> > filmed
> >> >> the car on track and a fun 15 minute interview about the car.A
> >> >> Goodwood also mounted an in-car camera for the upcoming 24-hour
> >> > race.A
> >> >> They are planning a short feature on the Pantera, which is really
> >> > nice
> >> >> of them, but who knows if it will ever get done.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Anyway, I will post updates and results starting tomorrow.A
> >> > There
> >> >>>>>> are
> >> >> six groups, so we rotate out every six hours (i.e., four one-hour
> >> >> races every six hours).
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Fingers crossed.....we are asked a lot from the car.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> >> >>>>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> >> >>>>>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
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Thanks all for the kind words.A A
We will know more when we tear it apart, but we presently think this
has to do with the setup of the Quaife CWP running on the coast side of
the teeth.A Our transaxle guy tightened the tolerance to run on the
coast side, and we added a cooler and fan, but the demands of Daytona
combined with a closer tolerance of the CWP likely just generated so
much heat (it was over 320 degrees) that it just quit.A A
For the shorter HSR sprint races it stayed around 250-260 degrees, but
for the first leg of the 24, which is twice as long as the Sprint
races, it cooked to 290 but lived.A Then sitting and heat soaking and
cooling for a few hours, something changed.A It was not working within
3 laps of the second stint.
For now, we will pull the engine/trans and inspect everything.A We
will surely need some new internal parts for the trans, but regardless,
the Pantera sits until Quaife makes good on the correct CWP with
properly cut gears.A In hindsight, we should have waited for Quaife to
deliver the correct CWP before putting this much stress in it.A A
There was a lot of carnage this year.A We blew up a Panoz motor and
cooked the Quaife, but otherwise both cars performed well with three
podiums in the prelim races and are in one piece, with the Pantera
actually still drivable...could be worse.
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
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On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 11:44 PM Gray Gregory <[2]rgg at gregorycook.com>
wrote:
Steve,
Sorry to hear that. As I told you when we ran into each other on the
grid I would have been worried a ZF would overheat, but I thought
the Quaife would do better. This place is really hard on diffs, so
any transaxle is going to get hot! I'm surprised the cooler didn't
prevent this. Where is it located? Maybe it's not getting good
airflow?
Better luck next year!
Gray
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Behalf Of Steve Lisa
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2022 9:10 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton <[4]asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: MICHAEL DREW <[5]mikeldrew at aol.com>; List DeTomaso Forum
<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
We still love the car, everyone here loves it, and I put this on the
tranny.A Not happy, but never giving up.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 9:58 PM Asa Jay Laughton <[8]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Sorry to hear.A In jest I would say it was because you werenat
running
> a ZF.A But seriously I hope you find out what it was.
>
> You had a good run this go around and Iad bet plenty of people
were
> thrilled with the performance on track at least up to the end.
>
> I enjoy hearing how you, Tony, and the Pantera are doing.
>
> AsaA Jay
>
> Sent via radio waves
>
> On Nov 5, 2022, at 18:37, Steve Lisa <[9]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
>
> i>>?
> Sorry guys, We are done.
>
> The Quaife started overheating on the second lap and I stopped on
lap
> 6-7 when it started spewing tranny fluid out the overflow onto the
> rear window.
>
> We don't know enough to identify what changed between session 1
and
> session 2.A Our temp markers (we don't have a tranny temp gauge)
> indicated it got to 290 degrees during Tony's race, even though we
have a huge cooler
> on it, then sat and heat soaked for 5 hours.A A Something changed
in that
> period.A The gearbox was immediately difficult to shift and the
> decided not to shift at all.
>
>
> Sorry guys, we hoped to do better.A This is a bummer weekend.
>
>
> We have a long trip home.
>
>
> We are done, I will let you know more
> Regards,
>
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
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> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:53 PM Asa Jay Laughton
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>
>> Thumbs up, glad to hear itas going well.
>>
>> AsaA Jay
>>
>> Sent via radio waves
>>
>> > On Nov 5, 2022, at 13:34, Steve Lisa
<[12]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > i>>?A A Stage 1 done, started last and moved up a bit.AA Tony
drove
>> moderately
>> >A A hard, turned our fastest lap of the weekend, we put in 5
gallons
>> > at
>> the
>> >A A pit stop, and he finished moderately hard.AA We did 18
laps, and
>> pumped
>> >A A 8.5 gallons out when we were done.AA So, we didn't need to
fuel.AA We
>> >A A had 3.5 gallons left.AA So we will just pit and sit for
our mandatory
>> >A A three minutes.
>> >A A Regards,A
>> >A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>> >A A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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>> >A A On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 3:10 PM Charles Engles
<[2][14]cengles at cox.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >A A A Dear Steve,
>> >A A A AA AA AA AA AA A Egad.AA Your predicament makes
current vintage
>> >A A A racing resemble a chess game!.AA Who knew it was so
complicated?A
>> >A A A AA AA AA AA AA A Good luck.
>> >A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA
Warmest regards, Chuck
>> >A A A Engles
>> >A A A -----Original Message-----
>> >A A A From: DeTomaso
[mailto:[3][15]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> >A A A On Behalf Of Steve Lisa
>> >A A A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2022 8:33 AM
>> >A A A To: Scott Couchman
>> >A A A Cc: MICHAEL DREW; List DeTomaso Forum
>> >A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
>> >A A A An interesting strategy issue came up.AA Our 19 gallon
fuel cell
>> >A A A actually (due to foam) only holds 18.5 gallons.AA We
are burning
>> >A A A "about" 1 gallon per lap on average through the first 5
sessions of
>> >A A A the weekend.AA And, at our race pace, we will run
at.most 19 laps in
>> >A A A a session (with no cautions etc).
>> >A A A We have a mandatory 3 minute pit stop each leg of the
24-hour, and
>> >A A A the driver has to get out of the car for fueling.AA
There is about
>> >A A A 40 seconds of pit lane "in-out" time, leaving about 2:20
for driver
>> >A A A to stop, exit, the crew to fuel, and the driver to get
back in, belt
>> >A A A up and get going.AA The Pantera is not set up for a
dump can (as was
>> >A A A not intended to run this 24-hour event).AA It's a very
slow fuel.A
>> >A A A Plus, the driver cant be getting in the car while the
crew is
>> >A A A fueling.AA Since I have issued at my age getting in
over the driver
>> >A A A bars and reaching belts etc., we figure I will need an
extra 60-90
>> >A A A seconds over the 3 minutes for an old fart like me to
get out/back
>> >A A A in the car and buckled up and going, in addition to
fueling even a
>> >A A A few gallons, plus pit in/out time. In short, we will
lose the
>> >A A A equivalent of average 4-5 seconds in average lap time
for the
>> >A A A session due to a pit stop over 3 minutes when I am
driving.
>> >A A A If we run our race pace, we will run 19.5 laps, surely
running out
>> >A A A of fuel if we don't add fuel at the stop.AA If we slow
down 3
>> >A A A seconds a lap we will run 18 laps, and we should make
it.AA If we
>> >A A A get a yellow, we are good.
>> >A A A Our current decision is to run the first session at a
reduced pace
>> >A A A and not fuel it during the 3 minute stop, hopefully
making it
>> >A A A through with gas/car preservation mode.AA Then, we will
see what gas
>> >A A A we have left after the first session (if we don't run
out).AA Even
>> >A A A if we run out, we will lose at me at one lap ...less
then screwing
>> >A A A around with me getting in and out.
>> >A A A But, our best guess is that we should make it, the car
will be
>> >A A A happier at the slower pace, and we will learn as we go,
adjusting
>> >A A A for the next three sessions if we continue to make it.
>> >A A A On my son' Tony's stints, he can get in and out way
faster than me,
>> >A A A so we can cut him loose a bit and actually throw a few
gallons in
>> >A A A the car at the mandatory pit and not lose time.
>> >A A A I guess that's another reason to go on a diet and start
doing yoga.
>> >A A A It's been fun trying to figure out last minute the move
from the
>> >A A A sprint races to the 24.
>> >A A A The guys that finished this year at LeMans we're
actually an
>> >A A A inspiration for us moving the car to the 24.AA It was
an amazing run
>> >A A A for them.AA We hope to have good news tomorrow...
>> >A A A Regards,
>> >A A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>> >A A A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>> >A A A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
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>> >>A A A On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:28 AM Scott Couchman via
DeTomaso <
>> >>A A A [5][17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> >> Mike, Thanks for setting the record straight, and
congratulations
>> >A A A to
>> >> these winners!
>> >>
>> >>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 8:36 PM, MICHAEL DREW
<[6][18]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> >A A A wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> i>>?a|and in fact, these guys:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> came in FIRST IN CLASS at Le Mans Classic this year, in a
>> >A A A factory
>> >>> Gr4
>> >> car.
>> >>>
>> >>> Since the event started in 2004, far more than half the
Panteras
>> >>> entered
>> >> have finished each year, on average. So it is highly
disrespectful
>> >A A A of
>> >> their collective efforts to claim that none have ever finished
at
>> >A A A all.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mike
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 22:15, MICHAEL DREW
<[7][19]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> >A A A wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> i>>?Scott,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You need to pay more attention! Plenty of Panteras have
>> >A A A finished at
>> >>>> LMC
>> >> including this year.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Mike
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 18:24, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
>> >> [8][20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> i>>?All the LeMans Classics Iave attended, as far as I
know,
>> >A A A no
>> >>>>> Pantera
>> >> has finished the entire event. I hope you have much better
>> >A A A success!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Mike & Elizabeth
>> >>>>>>> <[9][21]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> i>>?Good luck!AA Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
>> >>>>>> Mike Thomas
>> >>>>>> Panteras Northwest
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: DeTomaso
<[10][22]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >A A A On
>> >>>>>> Behalf
>> >> Of Steve Lisa
>> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 10:50 AM
>> >>>>>> To: List DeTomaso Forum
>> >A A A <[11][23]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> All,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> We have called the Pantera up to run the 24-hour race,
taking
>> >A A A the
>> >> place of the Panoz.AA We were having issues with the new
Panoz
>> >A A A motor,
>> >> and the motor finally let fo.AA So, are here and going to run
the
>> >> Pantera in the Classic 24-hour instead.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The Pantera has already run 5 sessions this weekend in the
>> >A A A HSR
>> >>>>>> Sprint
>> >> races, with it's fasted time at 2:11.5.AA Because we didn't
run
>> >A A A the
>> >> qualifying events for the Classic 24-hour event we will be
>> >A A A starting
>> >> from the back of Group A (pre-73, early FIA Group 3 and 4
cars, I
>> >> believe in the GTO class) for the Classic 24, which is fine
for a
>> >A A A long
>> >> event.AA We will be driving conservatively with goal of
finishing
>> >A A A the event.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> In addition, Goodwood sent some reporters over from
England
>> >A A A to
>> >>>>>> cover
>> >> the Daytona event.AA They enjoyed seeing the Pantera race,
and
>> >A A A filmed
>> >> the car on track and a fun 15 minute interview about the car.A
>> >> Goodwood also mounted an in-car camera for the upcoming
24-hour
>> >A A A race.A
>> >> They are planning a short feature on the Pantera, which is
really
>> >A A A nice
>> >> of them, but who knows if it will ever get done.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Anyway, I will post updates and results starting
tomorrow.A
>> >A A A There
>> >>>>>> are
>> >> six groups, so we rotate out every six hours (i.e., four
one-hour
>> >> races every six hours).
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Fingers crossed.....we are asked a lot from the car.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>> >>>>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>> >>>>>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>> >>>>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> [12][24]www.PatentIt.com
>> >>>>>>
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