[DeTomaso] Daytona Update
Gray Gregory
rgg at gregorycook.com
Sat Nov 5 23:44:46 EDT 2022
Steve,
Sorry to hear that. As I told you when we ran into each other on the grid I would have been worried a ZF would overheat, but I thought the Quaife would do better. This place is really hard on diffs, so any transaxle is going to get hot! I'm surprised the cooler didn't prevent this. Where is it located? Maybe it's not getting good airflow?
Better luck next year!
Gray
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of Steve Lisa
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2022 9:10 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>; List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
We still love the car, everyone here loves it, and I put this on the tranny. Not happy, but never giving up.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 9:58 PM Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Sorry to hear. In jest I would say it was because you weren’t running
> a ZF. But seriously I hope you find out what it was.
>
> You had a good run this go around and I’d bet plenty of people were
> thrilled with the performance on track at least up to the end.
>
> I enjoy hearing how you, Tony, and the Pantera are doing.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Sent via radio waves
>
> On Nov 5, 2022, at 18:37, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry guys, We are done.
>
> The Quaife started overheating on the second lap and I stopped on lap
> 6-7 when it started spewing tranny fluid out the overflow onto the
> rear window.
>
> We don't know enough to identify what changed between session 1 and
> session 2. Our temp markers (we don't have a tranny temp gauge)
> indicated it got to 290 degrees during Tony's race, even though we have a huge cooler
> on it, then sat and heat soaked for 5 hours. Something changed in that
> period. The gearbox was immediately difficult to shift and the
> decided not to shift at all.
>
>
> Sorry guys, we hoped to do better. This is a bummer weekend.
>
>
> We have a long trip home.
>
>
> We are done, I will let you know more
> Regards,
>
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> Direct: 480-442-0297
>
> www.PatentIt.com
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> Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
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> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:53 PM Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>
>> Thumbs up, glad to hear it’s going well.
>>
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> Sent via radio waves
>>
>> > On Nov 5, 2022, at 13:34, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Stage 1 done, started last and moved up a bit.A Tony drove
>> moderately
>> > hard, turned our fastest lap of the weekend, we put in 5 gallons
>> > at
>> the
>> > pit stop, and he finished moderately hard.A We did 18 laps, and
>> pumped
>> > 8.5 gallons out when we were done.A So, we didn't need to fuel.A We
>> > had 3.5 gallons left.A So we will just pit and sit for our mandatory
>> > three minutes.
>> > Regards,A
>> > Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>> > The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>> > Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>> > Direct:A 480-442-0297
>> > [1]www.PatentIt.com
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>> > Chicago OfficeA |A P:A 312.752.4357A |A A F:A 312.896.5633A
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>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 3:10 PM Charles Engles <[2]cengles at cox.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Steve,
>> > A A A A A A Egad.A Your predicament makes current vintage
>> > racing resemble a chess game!.A Who knew it was so complicated?A
>> > A A A A A A Good luck.
>> > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards, Chuck
>> > Engles
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> > On Behalf Of Steve Lisa
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2022 8:33 AM
>> > To: Scott Couchman
>> > Cc: MICHAEL DREW; List DeTomaso Forum
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
>> > An interesting strategy issue came up.A Our 19 gallon fuel cell
>> > actually (due to foam) only holds 18.5 gallons.A We are burning
>> > "about" 1 gallon per lap on average through the first 5 sessions of
>> > the weekend.A And, at our race pace, we will run at.most 19 laps in
>> > a session (with no cautions etc).
>> > We have a mandatory 3 minute pit stop each leg of the 24-hour, and
>> > the driver has to get out of the car for fueling.A There is about
>> > 40 seconds of pit lane "in-out" time, leaving about 2:20 for driver
>> > to stop, exit, the crew to fuel, and the driver to get back in, belt
>> > up and get going.A The Pantera is not set up for a dump can (as was
>> > not intended to run this 24-hour event).A It's a very slow fuel.A
>> > Plus, the driver cant be getting in the car while the crew is
>> > fueling.A Since I have issued at my age getting in over the driver
>> > bars and reaching belts etc., we figure I will need an extra 60-90
>> > seconds over the 3 minutes for an old fart like me to get out/back
>> > in the car and buckled up and going, in addition to fueling even a
>> > few gallons, plus pit in/out time. In short, we will lose the
>> > equivalent of average 4-5 seconds in average lap time for the
>> > session due to a pit stop over 3 minutes when I am driving.
>> > If we run our race pace, we will run 19.5 laps, surely running out
>> > of fuel if we don't add fuel at the stop.A If we slow down 3
>> > seconds a lap we will run 18 laps, and we should make it.A If we
>> > get a yellow, we are good.
>> > Our current decision is to run the first session at a reduced pace
>> > and not fuel it during the 3 minute stop, hopefully making it
>> > through with gas/car preservation mode.A Then, we will see what gas
>> > we have left after the first session (if we don't run out).A Even
>> > if we run out, we will lose at me at one lap ...less then screwing
>> > around with me getting in and out.
>> > But, our best guess is that we should make it, the car will be
>> > happier at the slower pace, and we will learn as we go, adjusting
>> > for the next three sessions if we continue to make it.
>> > On my son' Tony's stints, he can get in and out way faster than me,
>> > so we can cut him loose a bit and actually throw a few gallons in
>> > the car at the mandatory pit and not lose time.
>> > I guess that's another reason to go on a diet and start doing yoga.
>> > It's been fun trying to figure out last minute the move from the
>> > sprint races to the 24.
>> > The guys that finished this year at LeMans we're actually an
>> > inspiration for us moving the car to the 24.A It was an amazing run
>> > for them.A We hope to have good news tomorrow...
>> > Regards,
>> > Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>> > The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>> > Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>> > Direct: 480-442-0297
>> > [4]www.PatentIt.com
>> > Scottsdale Office | P: 480.535.6656A |A F: 480.535.6628A |A A:
>> > 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
>> > Chicago Office | P: 312.752.4357A |A F: 312.896.5633A |A A: 55
>> > E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
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>> >> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:28 AM Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
>> >> [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> >> Mike, Thanks for setting the record straight, and congratulations
>> > to
>> >> these winners!
>> >>
>> >>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 8:36 PM, MICHAEL DREW <[6]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> i>>?a|and in fact, these guys:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> came in FIRST IN CLASS at Le Mans Classic this year, in a
>> > factory
>> >>> Gr4
>> >> car.
>> >>>
>> >>> Since the event started in 2004, far more than half the Panteras
>> >>> entered
>> >> have finished each year, on average. So it is highly disrespectful
>> > of
>> >> their collective efforts to claim that none have ever finished at
>> > all.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mike
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 22:15, MICHAEL DREW <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> i>>?Scott,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You need to pay more attention! Plenty of Panteras have
>> > finished at
>> >>>> LMC
>> >> including this year.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Mike
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 18:24, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
>> >> [8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> i>>?All the LeMans Classics Iave attended, as far as I know,
>> > no
>> >>>>> Pantera
>> >> has finished the entire event. I hope you have much better
>> > success!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Mike & Elizabeth
>> >>>>>>> <[9]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> i>>?Good luck!A Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
>> >>>>>> Mike Thomas
>> >>>>>> Panteras Northwest
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: DeTomaso <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
>> > On
>> >>>>>> Behalf
>> >> Of Steve Lisa
>> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 10:50 AM
>> >>>>>> To: List DeTomaso Forum
>> > <[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> All,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> We have called the Pantera up to run the 24-hour race, taking
>> > the
>> >> place of the Panoz.A We were having issues with the new Panoz
>> > motor,
>> >> and the motor finally let fo.A So, are here and going to run the
>> >> Pantera in the Classic 24-hour instead.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The Pantera has already run 5 sessions this weekend in the
>> > HSR
>> >>>>>> Sprint
>> >> races, with it's fasted time at 2:11.5.A Because we didn't run
>> > the
>> >> qualifying events for the Classic 24-hour event we will be
>> > starting
>> >> from the back of Group A (pre-73, early FIA Group 3 and 4 cars, I
>> >> believe in the GTO class) for the Classic 24, which is fine for a
>> > long
>> >> event.A We will be driving conservatively with goal of finishing
>> > the event.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> In addition, Goodwood sent some reporters over from England
>> > to
>> >>>>>> cover
>> >> the Daytona event.A They enjoyed seeing the Pantera race, and
>> > filmed
>> >> the car on track and a fun 15 minute interview about the car.A
>> >> Goodwood also mounted an in-car camera for the upcoming 24-hour
>> > race.A
>> >> They are planning a short feature on the Pantera, which is really
>> > nice
>> >> of them, but who knows if it will ever get done.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Anyway, I will post updates and results starting tomorrow.A
>> > There
>> >>>>>> are
>> >> six groups, so we rotate out every six hours (i.e., four one-hour
>> >> races every six hours).
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Fingers crossed.....we are asked a lot from the car.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>> >>>>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>> >>>>>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>> >>>>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> [12]www.PatentIt.com
>> >>>>>>
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