[DeTomaso] To sleeve or not to sleeve
Dan Courtney
dan at excaliburre.com
Sun Nov 6 01:04:47 EST 2022
Good information here Ken.Their FAQ's include some good questions for the machine shop, like do they have an oven.DanSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> Date: 11/5/22 10:38 PM (GMT-08:00) To: 'Dan' <dan at excaliburre.com>, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] To sleeve or not to sleeve
These folks have sleeves from 1/16 to 1/8 thickness. The 1/16 would require a minimum amount of material removal. Does that make a difference?https://www.lasleeve.com/tech/faqsKen
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 06:17:17 PM PDT, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
Dear Dan, Hmmm. Yes, the experts can be wrong. However, regarding the shop in business for forty years that says they can sleeve all eight and it will be fine, stop for a minute and ask yourself: "If that is true, then why do people fret trying to find a good solid Cleveland block? Why do people go to the effort to get them sonic checked for wall thickness? WHY do they do that, IF the simple answer is to take any old 351C and simply sleeve all eight cylinders???? Possibly, just possibly, because while it can be done, the durability and longevity are dubious and poor?? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles-----Original Message-----From: Dan [mailto:dan at excaliburre.com] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2022 4:40 PMTo: 'Charles Engles'Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] To sleeve or not to sleeveYeah, I was hoping someone had been down this path before.After so many screw-ups at supposedly top notch engine shops I don't know who to trust in that industry either.The shop which has the engine now has been in business 40 years and says they can sleeve all eight and it will be fine. But I'm not "sold".Probably on SBC or GM big block but Cleveland's have such thin walls.Dan-----Original Message-----From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2022 12:15 PMTo: 'Dan Courtney' <dan at excaliburre.com>; 'MICHAEL DREW' <mikeldrew at aol.com>Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.comSubject: RE: [DeTomaso] To sleeve or not to sleeveDear Dan, The answers to the question are: 1) seek out a reputable and reliable machinist and engine builder with actual Cleveland experience and follow his recommendations; or 2) seek out amateur, non-machinist, hear-say opinions and sort out the truth from the (dis?) information. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles-----Original Message-----From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dan CourtneySent: Saturday, November 05, 2022 10:57 AMTo: MICHAEL DREWCc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.comSubject: Re: [DeTomaso] To sleeve or not to sleeveThen the question becomes:Is it better to have a .030 block with one or two non adjacent sleeves or a fully sleeved block at original bore?I've been told you get heat transfer between cylinders on a Cleveland at or over .030.And we all know there's already too much heat in a Pantera engine. DanSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone-------- Original message --------From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com> Date: 11/4/22 8:14 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Dan <dan at excaliburre.com> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] To sleeve or not to sleeve Dan,Sleeving all eight cylinders is like putting eight plugs in a flat tire with one hole in it!If you have a block that needs one or two sleeves, you install one or two sleeves. MikeSent from my iPhone> On Nov 4, 2022, at 18:13, Dan <dan at excaliburre.com> wrote:> > I'm having handful of 351C blocks sonic tested.> > One is the Boss 351 that Dennis Quella built for "The Winged Warrior"> in the early `80's.> > I'm wondering if it would be advisable to sleeve all 8 cylinders to> bring it back to original bore.> > Another option is to sleeve just one or two holes and go with .030.> > > A 3^rd option is to sleeve two cylinders on an original bore 2 bolt> block.> > > Over the years I've received advice regarding sleeves from sleeving all> 8 holes makes for a stronger block to sleeving a Cleveland can> interfere with the water jackets.> > > Does anyone have an opinion on sleeving a 351C?> > > Dan> > > > > Dan Courtney> > La Jolla, CA> > > [1]Dan at excaliburre.com> > References> > 1. mailto:Dan at excaliburre.com> _______________________________________________> > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes> DeTomaso mailing list> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.> > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages._______________________________________________Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5 MegabytesDeTomaso mailing listDeTomaso at server.detomasolist.comhttp://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomasoTo manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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Good information here Ken.
Their FAQ's include some good questions for the machine shop, like do
they have an oven.
Dan
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Date: 11/5/22 10:38 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: 'Dan' <dan at excaliburre.com>, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com,
Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] To sleeve or not to sleeve
These folks have sleeves from 1/16 to 1/8 thickness. The 1/16 would
require a minimum amount of material removal. Does that make a
difference?
[1]https://www.lasleeve.com/tech/faqs
Ken
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 06:17:17 PM PDT, Charles Engles
<cengles at cox.net> wrote:
Dear Dan,
Hmmm. Yes, the experts can be wrong.
However, regarding the shop in business for forty years
that says they can sleeve all eight and it will be fine, stop for a
minute and ask yourself: "If that is true, then why do people fret
trying to find a good solid Cleveland block? Why do people go to the
effort to get them sonic checked for wall thickness? WHY do they do
that, IF the simple answer is to take any old 351C and simply sleeve
all eight cylinders???? Possibly, just possibly, because while it
can be done, the durability and longevity are dubious and poor??
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan [mailto:[2]dan at excaliburre.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2022 4:40 PM
To: 'Charles Engles'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] To sleeve or not to sleeve
Yeah, I was hoping someone had been down this path before.
After so many screw-ups at supposedly top notch engine shops I don't
know who to trust in that industry either.
The shop which has the engine now has been in business 40 years and
says they can sleeve all eight and it will be fine. But I'm not "sold".
Probably on SBC or GM big block but Cleveland's have such thin walls.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Engles <[3]cengles at cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2022 12:15 PM
To: 'Dan Courtney' <[4]dan at excaliburre.com>; 'MICHAEL DREW'
<[5]mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] To sleeve or not to sleeve
Dear Dan,
The answers to the question are: 1) seek out a
reputable and reliable machinist and engine builder with actual
Cleveland experience and follow his recommendations; or 2) seek out
amateur, non-machinist, hear-say opinions and sort out the truth from
the (dis?) information.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf Of Dan Courtney
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2022 10:57 AM
To: MICHAEL DREW
Cc: [8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] To sleeve or not to sleeve
Then the question becomes:Is it better to have a .030 block with one or
two non adjacent sleeves or a fully sleeved block at original bore?I've
been told you get heat transfer between cylinders on a Cleveland at or
over .030.And we all know there's already too much heat in a Pantera
engine. DanSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: MICHAEL DREW
<[9]mikeldrew at aol.com> Date: 11/4/22 8:14 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Dan
<[10]dan at excaliburre.com> Cc: [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] To sleeve or not to sleeve Dan,Sleeving all
eight cylinders is like putting eight plugs in a flat tire with one
hole in it!If you have a block that needs one or two sleeves, you
install one or two sleeves. MikeSent from my iPhone> On Nov 4, 2022, at
18:13, Dan <[12]dan at excaliburre.com> wrote:> > I'm having handful of
351C blocks sonic tested.> > One is the Boss 351 that Dennis Quella
built for "The Winged Warrior"> in the early `80's.> > I'm wondering
if it would be advisable to sleeve all 8 cylinders to> bring it back
to original bore.> > Another option is to sleeve just one or two holes
and go with .030.> > > A 3^rd option is to sleeve two cylinders on an
original bore 2 bolt> block.> > > Over the years I've received advice
regarding sleeves from sleeving all> 8 holes makes for a stronger
block to sleeving a Cleveland can> interfere with the water jackets.>
> > Does anyone have an opinion on sleeving a 351C?> > > Dan> > > >
> Dan Courtney> > La Jolla, CA> > > [1][13]Dan at excaliburre.com> >
References> > 1. mailto:[14]Dan at excaliburre.com>
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