[DeTomaso] Daytona Update
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Sat Nov 5 16:33:48 EDT 2022
Stage 1 done, started last and moved up a bit. Tony drove moderately hard,
turned our fastest lap of the weekend, we put in 5 gallons at the pit stop,
and he finished moderately hard. We did 18 laps, and pumped 8.5 gallons
out when we were done. So, we didn't need to fuel. We had 3.5 gallons
left. So we will just pit and sit for our mandatory three minutes.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 480-442-0297
www.PatentIt.com
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On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 3:10 PM Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> Dear Steve,
>
> Egad. Your predicament makes current vintage racing resemble a
> chess game!. Who knew it was so complicated?
>
> Good luck.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of Steve Lisa
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2022 8:33 AM
> To: Scott Couchman
> Cc: MICHAEL DREW; List DeTomaso Forum
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
>
> An interesting strategy issue came up. Our 19 gallon fuel cell actually
> (due to foam) only holds 18.5 gallons. We are burning "about" 1 gallon per
> lap on average through the first 5 sessions of the weekend. And, at our
> race pace, we will run at.most 19 laps in a session (with no cautions etc).
>
>
> We have a mandatory 3 minute pit stop each leg of the 24-hour, and the
> driver has to get out of the car for fueling. There is about 40 seconds of
> pit lane "in-out" time, leaving about 2:20 for driver to stop, exit, the
> crew to fuel, and the driver to get back in, belt up and get going. The
> Pantera is not set up for a dump can (as was not intended to run this
> 24-hour event). It's a very slow fuel. Plus, the driver cant be getting
> in the car while the crew is fueling. Since I have issued at my age
> getting in over the driver bars and reaching belts etc., we figure I will
> need an extra 60-90 seconds over the 3 minutes for an old fart like me to
> get out/back in the car and buckled up and going, in addition to fueling
> even a few gallons, plus pit in/out time. In short, we will lose the
> equivalent of average 4-5 seconds in average lap time for the session due
> to a pit stop over 3 minutes when I am driving.
>
> If we run our race pace, we will run 19.5 laps, surely running out of fuel
> if we don't add fuel at the stop. If we slow down 3 seconds a lap we will
> run 18 laps, and we should make it. If we get a yellow, we are good.
>
> Our current decision is to run the first session at a reduced pace and not
> fuel it during the 3 minute stop, hopefully making it through with gas/car
> preservation mode. Then, we will see what gas we have left after the first
> session (if we don't run out). Even if we run out, we will lose at me at
> one lap ...less then screwing around with me getting in and out.
>
> But, our best guess is that we should make it, the car will be happier at
> the slower pace, and we will learn as we go, adjusting for the next three
> sessions if we continue to make it.
>
> On my son' Tony's stints, he can get in and out way faster than me, so we
> can cut him loose a bit and actually throw a few gallons in the car at the
> mandatory pit and not lose time.
>
> I guess that's another reason to go on a diet and start doing yoga.
>
> It's been fun trying to figure out last minute the move from the sprint
> races to the 24.
>
> The guys that finished this year at LeMans we're actually an inspiration
> for us moving the car to the 24. It was an amazing run for them. We hope
> to have good news tomorrow...
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> Direct: 480-442-0297
>
> www.PatentIt.com
>
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> Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
>
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> Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
>
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> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:28 AM Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> > Mike, Thanks for setting the record straight, and congratulations to
> > these winners!
> >
> > > On Nov 4, 2022, at 8:36 PM, MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > …and in fact, these guys:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > came in FIRST IN CLASS at Le Mans Classic this year, in a factory
> > > Gr4
> > car.
> > >
> > > Since the event started in 2004, far more than half the Panteras
> > > entered
> > have finished each year, on average. So it is highly disrespectful of
> > their collective efforts to claim that none have ever finished at all.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Nov 4, 2022, at 22:15, MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Scott,
> > >>
> > >> You need to pay more attention! Plenty of Panteras have finished at
> > >> LMC
> > including this year.
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 18:24, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
> > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> All the LeMans Classics I’ve attended, as far as I know, no
> > >>> Pantera
> > has finished the entire event. I hope you have much better success!
> > >>>
> > >>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Mike & Elizabeth
> > >>>>> <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Good luck! Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
> > >>>> Mike Thomas
> > >>>> Panteras Northwest
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
> > >>>> Behalf
> > Of Steve Lisa
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 10:50 AM
> > >>>> To: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > >>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
> > >>>>
> > >>>> All,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We have called the Pantera up to run the 24-hour race, taking the
> > place of the Panoz. We were having issues with the new Panoz motor,
> > and the motor finally let fo. So, are here and going to run the
> > Pantera in the Classic 24-hour instead.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The Pantera has already run 5 sessions this weekend in the HSR
> > >>>> Sprint
> > races, with it's fasted time at 2:11.5. Because we didn't run the
> > qualifying events for the Classic 24-hour event we will be starting
> > from the back of Group A (pre-73, early FIA Group 3 and 4 cars, I
> > believe in the GTO class) for the Classic 24, which is fine for a long
> > event. We will be driving conservatively with goal of finishing the
> event.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In addition, Goodwood sent some reporters over from England to
> > >>>> cover
> > the Daytona event. They enjoyed seeing the Pantera race, and filmed
> > the car on track and a fun 15 minute interview about the car.
> > Goodwood also mounted an in-car camera for the upcoming 24-hour race.
> > They are planning a short feature on the Pantera, which is really nice
> > of them, but who knows if it will ever get done.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anyway, I will post updates and results starting tomorrow. There
> > >>>> are
> > six groups, so we rotate out every six hours (i.e., four one-hour
> > races every six hours).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Fingers crossed.....we are asked a lot from the car.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> > >>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> > >>>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> > >>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
> > >>>>
> > >>>> www.PatentIt.com
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 7689
> > East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
> > >>>>
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> > Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
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Stage 1 done, started last and moved up a bit.A Tony drove moderately
hard, turned our fastest lap of the weekend, we put in 5 gallons at the
pit stop, and he finished moderately hard.A We did 18 laps, and pumped
8.5 gallons out when we were done.A So, we didn't need to fuel.A We
had 3.5 gallons left.A So we will just pit and sit for our mandatory
three minutes.
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct:A 480-442-0297
[1]www.PatentIt.com
Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
|A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Chicago OfficeA |A P:A 312.752.4357A |A A F:A 312.896.5633A
|A A A:A 55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain
confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in
error please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank
you.
On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 3:10 PM Charles Engles <[2]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
Dear Steve,
A A A A A A Egad.A Your predicament makes current vintage
racing resemble a chess game!.A Who knew it was so complicated?A
A A A A A A Good luck.
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards, Chuck
Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Lisa
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2022 8:33 AM
To: Scott Couchman
Cc: MICHAEL DREW; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
An interesting strategy issue came up.A Our 19 gallon fuel cell
actually (due to foam) only holds 18.5 gallons.A We are burning
"about" 1 gallon per lap on average through the first 5 sessions of
the weekend.A And, at our race pace, we will run at.most 19 laps in
a session (with no cautions etc).
We have a mandatory 3 minute pit stop each leg of the 24-hour, and
the driver has to get out of the car for fueling.A There is about
40 seconds of pit lane "in-out" time, leaving about 2:20 for driver
to stop, exit, the crew to fuel, and the driver to get back in, belt
up and get going.A The Pantera is not set up for a dump can (as was
not intended to run this 24-hour event).A It's a very slow fuel.A
Plus, the driver cant be getting in the car while the crew is
fueling.A Since I have issued at my age getting in over the driver
bars and reaching belts etc., we figure I will need an extra 60-90
seconds over the 3 minutes for an old fart like me to get out/back
in the car and buckled up and going, in addition to fueling even a
few gallons, plus pit in/out time. In short, we will lose the
equivalent of average 4-5 seconds in average lap time for the
session due to a pit stop over 3 minutes when I am driving.
If we run our race pace, we will run 19.5 laps, surely running out
of fuel if we don't add fuel at the stop.A If we slow down 3
seconds a lap we will run 18 laps, and we should make it.A If we
get a yellow, we are good.
Our current decision is to run the first session at a reduced pace
and not fuel it during the 3 minute stop, hopefully making it
through with gas/car preservation mode.A Then, we will see what gas
we have left after the first session (if we don't run out).A Even
if we run out, we will lose at me at one lap ...less then screwing
around with me getting in and out.
But, our best guess is that we should make it, the car will be
happier at the slower pace, and we will learn as we go, adjusting
for the next three sessions if we continue to make it.
On my son' Tony's stints, he can get in and out way faster than me,
so we can cut him loose a bit and actually throw a few gallons in
the car at the mandatory pit and not lose time.
I guess that's another reason to go on a diet and start doing yoga.
It's been fun trying to figure out last minute the move from the
sprint races to the 24.
The guys that finished this year at LeMans we're actually an
inspiration for us moving the car to the 24.A It was an amazing run
for them.A We hope to have good news tomorrow...
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 480-442-0297
[4]www.PatentIt.com
Scottsdale Office | P: 480.535.6656A |A F: 480.535.6628A |A A:
7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Chicago Office | P: 312.752.4357A |A F: 312.896.5633A |A A: 55
E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain
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in error please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me.
Thank you.
On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:28 AM Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Mike, Thanks for setting the record straight, and congratulations
to
> these winners!
>
> > On Nov 4, 2022, at 8:36 PM, MICHAEL DREW <[6]mikeldrew at aol.com>
wrote:
> >
> > i>>?a|and in fact, these guys:
> >
> >
> >
> > came in FIRST IN CLASS at Le Mans Classic this year, in a
factory
> > Gr4
> car.
> >
> > Since the event started in 2004, far more than half the Panteras
> > entered
> have finished each year, on average. So it is highly disrespectful
of
> their collective efforts to claim that none have ever finished at
all.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 4, 2022, at 22:15, MICHAEL DREW <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >> i>>?Scott,
> >>
> >> You need to pay more attention! Plenty of Panteras have
finished at
> >> LMC
> including this year.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 18:24, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
> [8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> i>>?All the LeMans Classics Iave attended, as far as I know,
no
> >>> Pantera
> has finished the entire event. I hope you have much better
success!
> >>>
> >>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Mike & Elizabeth
> >>>>> <[9]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> i>>?Good luck!A Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
> >>>> Mike Thomas
> >>>> Panteras Northwest
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: DeTomaso <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
On
> >>>> Behalf
> Of Steve Lisa
> >>>> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 10:50 AM
> >>>> To: List DeTomaso Forum
<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
> >>>>
> >>>> All,
> >>>>
> >>>> We have called the Pantera up to run the 24-hour race, taking
the
> place of the Panoz.A We were having issues with the new Panoz
motor,
> and the motor finally let fo.A So, are here and going to run the
> Pantera in the Classic 24-hour instead.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Pantera has already run 5 sessions this weekend in the
HSR
> >>>> Sprint
> races, with it's fasted time at 2:11.5.A Because we didn't run
the
> qualifying events for the Classic 24-hour event we will be
starting
> from the back of Group A (pre-73, early FIA Group 3 and 4 cars, I
> believe in the GTO class) for the Classic 24, which is fine for a
long
> event.A We will be driving conservatively with goal of finishing
the event.
> >>>>
> >>>> In addition, Goodwood sent some reporters over from England
to
> >>>> cover
> the Daytona event.A They enjoyed seeing the Pantera race, and
filmed
> the car on track and a fun 15 minute interview about the car.A
> Goodwood also mounted an in-car camera for the upcoming 24-hour
race.A
> They are planning a short feature on the Pantera, which is really
nice
> of them, but who knows if it will ever get done.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, I will post updates and results starting tomorrow.A
There
> >>>> are
> six groups, so we rotate out every six hours (i.e., four one-hour
> races every six hours).
> >>>>
> >>>> Fingers crossed.....we are asked a lot from the car.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> >>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> >>>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> >>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
> >>>>
> >>>> [12]www.PatentIt.com
> >>>>
> >>>> Scottsdale Office | P: 480.535.6656A |A F: 480.535.6628A
|A A:
> >>>> 7689
> East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
> >>>>
> >>>> Chicago Office | P: 312.752.4357A |A F: 312.896.5633A |A
A: 55 E.
> Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
> >>>>
> >>>> This email is intended only for the recipient above and may
> >>>> contain
> confidential and privileged information. If you received this
email in
> error please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me.
Thank you.
> >>>>
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