[DeTomaso] Pantera bumpers on eBay
MICHAEL DREW
mikeldrew at aol.com
Thu Jun 23 15:14:21 EDT 2022
Lee,
Your bumpers do not come up when searching eBay for Pantera Original Bumpers (or anything else I have tried).
Can you be more specific?
Mike
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> On Jun 23, 2022, at 09:39, Lee Davis via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Iave had an offer on EBay for the bumpers. Please go eBay to place an
> offer. The item is posted as Pantera Original Bumpers.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lee
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> Message: 1
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> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 16:49:05 +0000 (UTC)
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> From: Garth Rodericks <[9]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
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> To: DeTomaso Mail List <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] 1974 De Tomaso Pantera L 26501 Miles for sale
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> Message-ID: <[11]1997174335.7414348.1655916545121 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> Just the messenger...? Stumbled upon this one while browsing some other
> cars.? Looks nice, but not inexpensive!
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> 1974 De Tomaso Pantera L | eBay
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> -Black with Black interior with White accents, Black carpeting, 26,000
> Original Miles, 5.8 liter (351ci) Ford Cl...
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> Just the messenger... Stumbled upon this one while browsing some
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> [1]1974 De Tomaso Pantera L | eBay
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> 1974 De Tomaso Pantera L | eBay
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> -Black with Black interior with White accents, Black carpeting,
> 26,000
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> Original Miles, 5.8 liter (351ci) Ford Cl...
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> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 16:50:06 +0000 (UTC)
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> From: Garth Rodericks <[14]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
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> To: DeTomaso Mail List <[15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] 1974 De Tomaso Pantera L 26501 Miles for sale
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> Message-ID: <[16]736396995.7392528.1655916606426 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> Just the messenger...? Stumbled upon this one while browsing some other
> cars.? Looks nice, but not inexpensive!
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> [17]https://www.ebay.com/itm/203968488641
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> Just the messenger... Stumbled upon this one while browsing some
> other
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> cars. Looks nice, but not inexpensive!
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> [1][18]https://www.ebay.com/itm/203968488641
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> References
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> 1. [19]https://www.ebay.com/itm/203968488641
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> Message: 3
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> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:33:54 -0700
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> From: "Mike & Elizabeth" <[20]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>
> To: <[21]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing -bolt Aerostar window motors
>
> Message-ID: <021901d8865e$3eb88ec0$bc29ac40$@gmail.com>
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> I have a pair of the 3-bolt Ford Aerostar window motors for 6328. I
> have
>
> pulled down the conversion instructions from Mike Dailey's website, but
> that
>
> one is for the preferred 4-bolt motors. The window regulators are
> sitting
>
> on my bench so no removal assistance is needed, but can someone provide
> me
>
> with the instructions on how to do the conversion to the 3-bolt motors?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Thomas
>
> -------------- next part --------------
>
> I have a pair of the 3-bolt Ford Aerostar window motors for 6328. I
>
> have pulled down the conversion instructions from Mike Dailey's
>
> website, but that one is for the preferred 4-bolt motors. The window
>
> regulators are sitting on my bench so no removal assistance is
> needed,
>
> but can someone provide me with the instructions on how to do the
>
> conversion to the 3-bolt motors?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Thomas
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
>
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:16:55 -0700
>
> From: "Mike & Elizabeth" <[22]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>
> To: <[23]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing 3-bolt Aerostar window motors
>
> Message-ID: <048e01d88664$41532810$c3f97830$@gmail.com>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> That's 3-bolt . .
>
> From: Mike & Elizabeth <[24]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:34 AM
>
> To: [25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> Subject: Installing -bolt Aerostar window motors
>
> I have a pair of the 3-bolt Ford Aerostar window motors for 6328. I
> have
>
> pulled down the conversion instructions from Mike Dailey's website, but
> that
>
> one is for the preferred 4-bolt motors. The window regulators are
> sitting
>
> on my bench so no removal assistance is needed, but can someone provide
> me
>
> with the instructions on how to do the conversion to the 3-bolt motors?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Thomas
>
> -------------- next part --------------
>
> That's 3-bolt . .
>
> From: Mike & Elizabeth <[26]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:34 AM
>
> To: [27]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> Subject: Installing -bolt Aerostar window motors
>
> I have a pair of the 3-bolt Ford Aerostar window motors for 6328. I
>
> have pulled down the conversion instructions from Mike Dailey's
>
> website, but that one is for the preferred 4-bolt motors. The window
>
> regulators are sitting on my bench so no removal assistance is
> needed,
>
> but can someone provide me with the instructions on how to do the
>
> conversion to the 3-bolt motors?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Thomas
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
>
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 18:19:35 +0000
>
> From: Julian Kift <[28]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>
> To: Mike & Elizabeth <[29]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>,
>
> "[30]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <[31]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing -bolt Aerostar window motors
>
> Message-ID:
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> Not to be facetious, it's the same as the 4-bolt but you will have a
> bolt left over....
>
> Line up the motor so the gear drive meshes with the drive arm, mark
> holes and drill. It may become more obvious once you have everything
> laid out in front of you.
>
> Julian
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <[33]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of Mike & Elizabeth <[34]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:33 AM
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> To: [35]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[36]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing -bolt Aerostar window motors
>
> I have a pair of the 3-bolt Ford Aerostar window motors for 6328. I
> have
>
> pulled down the conversion instructions from Mike Dailey's website, but
> that
>
> one is for the preferred 4-bolt motors. The window regulators are
> sitting
>
> on my bench so no removal assistance is needed, but can someone provide
> me
>
> with the instructions on how to do the conversion to the 3-bolt motors?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Thomas
>
> -------------- next part --------------
>
> Not to be facetious, it's the same as the 4-bolt but you will have a
>
> bolt left over....
>
> Line up the motor so the gear drive meshes with the drive arm, mark
>
> holes and drill. It may become more obvious once you have everything
>
> laid out in front of you.
>
> Julian
>
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <[37]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
>
> Mike & Elizabeth <[38]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:33 AM
>
> To: [39]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[40]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing -bolt Aerostar window motors
>
> I have a pair of the 3-bolt Ford Aerostar window motors for 6328. I
>
> have
>
> pulled down the conversion instructions from Mike Dailey's website,
> but
>
> that
>
> one is for the preferred 4-bolt motors. The window regulators are
>
> sitting
>
> on my bench so no removal assistance is needed, but can someone
> provide
>
> me
>
> with the instructions on how to do the conversion to the 3-bolt
> motors?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Thomas
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
>
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:31:46 -0700
>
> From: [41]audionut at hushmail.com
>
> To: "MICHAEL DREW" <[42]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>
> Cc: [43]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
> Message-ID: <[44]20220622183146.BE3F7801FEE at smtp.hushmail.com>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> Dumb car?!?! Okay, that's it, Mike! I'm going to buy the famous Pink
>
> Panther and bring it back to original just to piss you off! ; ]
>
> Playboy meaningless? Come on, now. This was an American icon if ever
>
> there was one. Ford + Ghia + Playboy = Indisputable Classic Early
>
> 70's. And what's wrong with pink? Pink is elegant & sexy unless
>
> one is afraid of being perceived as "less than manly" or something.
>
> To repeatedly put my ass down inside the Pantera exactly where Liv's
>
> was? Sign me up!
>
> Sent using Hushmail
>
> On 6/21/2022 at 9:34 PM, "MICHAEL DREW" wrote:Because the Playboy
>
> Pantera was a fundamentally dumb car. It was probably very little
>
> used, in great shape, and VERY cheap at one point in time due to the
>
> stupid color. The Playboy history is rather meaningless.
>
> Which made it a perfect donor car for this kind of restomodifixation.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 11:49, audionut--- via DeTomaso wrote:
>>
>>
>
>> ? bummer!
>
>>
>
>> I was hoping to see a pink (at least mostly) stocker.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> why the hell would anyone would buy the Playboy Pantera and then
>
> do
>
>> some lame build?
>
>> Sent using Hushmail
>
>> On 6/21/2022 at 7:51 AM, "Mike & Elizabeth"
>
>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> The pink Pantera awarded to the 1972 Playmate of the Year is for
>
>> sale in
>
>> BaT. Now repainted in red over black and Grp IV flared. I'm sure
>
>> it's aged
>
>> better then it's recipient.
>
>> [1][45]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-82/
>
>> Mike Thomas
>
>>
>
>> References
>
>>
>
>> 1. [46]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-82/
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> Dumb car?!?! Okay, that's it, Mike! I'm going to buy the famous
> Pink
>
> Panther and bring it back to original just to piss you off! ; ]
>
> Playboy meaningless? Come on, now. This was an American icon if
> ever
>
> there was one. Ford + Ghia + Playboy = Indisputable Classic Early
>
> 70's.
>
> And what's wrong with pink? Pink is elegant & sexy unless one is
>
> afraid of being perceived as "less than manly" or something.
>
> To repeatedly put my ass down inside the Pantera exactly where Liv's
>
> was? Sign me up!
>
> Sent using Hushmail
>
> On 6/21/2022 at 9:34 PM, "MICHAEL DREW" <[49]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> Because the Playboy Pantera was a fundamentally dumb car. It was
>
> probably very little used, in great shape, and VERY cheap at one
>
> point in time due to the stupid color. The Playboy history is
> rather
>
> meaningless.
>
> Which made it a perfect donor car for this kind of
>
> restomodifixation.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 11:49, audionut--- via DeTomaso
>
> <[50]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> i>>? bummer!
>
>>
>
>> I was hoping to see a pink (at least mostly) stocker.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> why the hell would anyone would buy the Playboy Pantera and then
>
> do
>
>> some lame build?
>
>> Sent using Hushmail
>
>> On 6/21/2022 at 7:51 AM, "Mike & Elizabeth"
>
> <[51]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>
>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> The pink Pantera awarded to the 1972 Playmate of the Year is for
>
>> sale in
>
>> BaT. Now repainted in red over black and Grp IV flared. I'm sure
>
>> it's aged
>
>> better then it's recipient.
>
>>
> [1][1][52]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-82/
>
>> Mike Thomas
>
>>
>
>> References
>
>>
>
>> 1.
> [2][53]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-82/
>
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> Message: 7
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> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 19:06:36 +0000 (UTC)
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> From: [59]jderyke at aol.com
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> To: "[60]lplugw at hotmail.com" <[61]lplugw at hotmail.com>
>
> Cc: "[62]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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> <[63]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
> Message-ID: <[64]2141779587.4093392.1655924796583 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> Depends on how you drive the engine. Chev guys get nervous when
> cylinder walls drop below 0.125". Many street Clevelands did not have
> that thick walls when new. I personally get uneasy with walls below
> 0.090"- and not on the thrust side. I have a demo-block that sliced
> itself apart at a Silver State event. The thinnest wall area was
> 0.078", On that block, there was a mold seam on the backside that was
> virtually a dotted line that said, "crack here". Surprisingly, it
> didn't.?
>
> I have a souvenir?piece of cylinder wall on my desk about the size of a
> silver dollar that's 0.068" thick, from an 'as-usual' no-sonic test
> 030-over block. That engine, running 11"1 compression on 100-octane
> gas, blew the wall piece into the water jacket during a backfire on the
> starting line at an autocross (inadequate warm-up. My bad- and it
> wasn't even my car!)? It was running fine but after my run the owner
> noticed water pouring out of one tail pipe.??The owner sleeved that one
> thin cylinder and its still running (with lower compression using
> thicker head gaskets) as far as I know.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Larry Weston <[65]lplugw at hotmail.com>
>
> To: [66]jderyke at aol.com <[67]jderyke at aol.com>
>
> Cc: [68]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com <[69]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>;
> [70]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[71]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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> Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 4:16 am
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
> What is a minimum acceptable cylinder wall thickness? It?s certainly
> more important in one axis than the other.
>
> It?s hard to picture how removing another .005? (about as thick as two
> sheets of paper) from the cylinder wall to get from .030 to .040 would
> render an engine block useless.
>
> Has anyone ever sliced open a block to see what that area really looks
> like?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 4:57 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
> <[72]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> ? Hi, Dan. Nice to see you at the recent Fun Rally in AZ, after so
> many
>
>> ? years. I can verify the value of sonic-testing EVERY 351-C block
> before
>
>> ? an overhaul.? The rest of you guys, listen up-
>
>> ? One of the Nor-Cal guys had his OEM Cleveland bored 0.040"-over some
>
>> ? years ago. The fully rebuilt engine had extremely high oil use from
>
>> ? day-1 and after waiting for the engine to break-in, called me about
> it
>
>> ? at 1200 miles with no improvement. After a bit of back-and-forth
>
>> ? followed by engine removal and tear-down, he found the
> non-sonic-tested
>
>> ? block had such thin, flexible cylinder walls, the new rings were
>
>> ? skipping over bulges in the walls- hence the poor ring seal and high
>
>> ? oil use.? So his OEM block was scrapped. Too bad since he had bought
>
>> ? the early Pantera new in '71....
>
>> ? Cheers- J DeRyke
>
>> ? -----Original Message-----
>
>> ? From: Daniel C Jones <[73]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
>
>> ? Cc: detomaso <[74]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
>> ? Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2022 9:51 am
>
>> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
>>> The pictures I reviewed showed a tired red Pantera with a clearly
>
>> ? ? amateurish installation in the engine bay
>
>> ? ? I spotted several potential issues with the engine build.A? Below
> is
>
>> ? ? what I posted on BaT:
>
>> ? ? Note the engine is no longer a Cleveland.A? Rather, it's more of a
>
>> ? ? reverse Clevor. Clevor is slang for a Windsor block with Cleveland
>
>> ? ? style canted valve heads.A? This engine is the reverse with
> Windsor
>
>> ? ? inline valve heads on a Cleveland block.A? Requires some custom
> parts
>
>> ? ? like headers and pistons with valve notches that match the inline
>
>> ? ? valves, along with gaskets and fasteners that work with the odd
>
>> ? ? intake/head/block combination.A? Notice the hack job on the
> Windsor
>
>> ? ? intake end seal to clear the oil pressure sender fitting.A? Also,
>
>> ? @BaT
>
>> ? ? the engine did not make 498 HP and 495 ft-lbs and turn over 10000
> RPM
>
>> ? ? on a dynamometer.A? Instead, someone plugged some numbers into a
>
>> ? ? simulation program (Dyno2000) which output an estimate of 498 HP
> and
>
>> ? ? 495 ft-lbs.A? Remember the first rule of simulation software is
>
>> ? GIGO.A
>
>> ? ? The fact that it wasn't spun to 10K+ RPM on the dyno is a good
> thing
>
>> ? as
>
>> ? ? the unnecessary high volume oil pump would have sucked that stock
> 5
>
>> ? ? quart pan dry, spun a rod bearing and chucked one or more of those
>
>> ? ? questionable CAT (not to be confused with the reputable SCAT
> company)
>
>> ? ? rods out the side of the block.A? There's also a potential issue
> with
>
>> ? ? the top ring placement.A? Cleveland blocks have notches for valve
>
>> ? ? clearance/unshrouding which limits where the top ring ring can be
>
>> ? ? placed.A? Too high will put rings into the notches which is no
>
>> ? bueno.A
>
>> ? ? This also limits where the piston pin can be placed to get a
>
>> ? reasonable
>
>> ? ? ring pack.A? The typical 4" stroke Cleveland will have a pin
> height
>
>> ? of
>
>> ? ? around 1.2" and use 6" rods.A? The paperwork suggests the crank is
> a
>
>> ? ? 3.875" stroke SCAT unit.A? That would be a custom crank stroke so
> I
>
>> ? ? suspect it's actually the off-the-shelf 3.85" 9000 series cast
> crank
>
>> ? ? which would match the stated 395 cubic inch displacement (3.875"
>
>> ? stroke
>
>> ? ? would be over 397 cubic inches).A? Stroker math is simple and
>
>> ? suggests
>
>> ? ? that a 6.2" long rod and 3.85" stroke will have a pin height of
> 1.075
>
>> ? ? inches which is not recommended if you want the engine to last.A
>
>> ? Also,
>
>> ? ? I see no mention of sonic testing in the engine rebuild
> paperwork.A
>
>> ? ? Having had more than one Cleveland block fail sonic test at 0.030"
>
>> ? over
>
>> ? ? and another that needed a sleeve at standard bore, sonic testing
> is
>
>> ? ? highly recommended before boring 0.040" over.
>
>> ? ? Dan Jones
>
>> ? ? On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 10:04 AM Charles Engles
>
>> ? <[1][1][75]cengles at cox.net>
>
>> ? ? wrote:
>
>> ? ? ? Dear Mike,
>
>> ? ? ? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? I think the recipient has aged a bit better
>
>> ? ? ? than the Pantera.
>
>> ? ? ? IIRC, I saw pictures of it and a story that while it was no
> longer
>
>> ? ? ? pink, it
>
>> ? ? ? was the Playboy Pink Pantera.A? More astounding is that it was
> in
>
>> ? ? ? Oklahoma
>
>> ? ? ? and for sale several years ago.A? I cannot recall the price.
>
>> ? ? ? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? The pictures I reviewed showed a tired red
>
>> ? ? ? Pantera with a
>
>> ? ? ? clearly amateurish installation in the engine bay: nitrous
> lines,
>
>> ? ? ? wires,
>
>> ? ? ? hoses, remote filters, etc.A? It looked like one should back
> away
>
>> ? ? ? slowly and
>
>> ? ? ? carefully, while shielding their eyes.A
>
>> ? ? ? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A In the BaT pictures, I can still see
> residua
>
>> ? ? ? of its previous
>
>> ? ? ? condition around the edges of some of the photos.A? I am
> interested
>
>> ? ? ? in the
>
>> ? ? ? BaT bidding and comments on this Pantera with a salacious back
>
>> ? ? ? story.
>
>> ? ? ? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? Warmest regards, Chuck
>
>> ? ? ? Engles
>
>> ? ? ? -----Original Message-----
>
>> ? ? ? From: DeTomaso
>
>> ? [mailto:[2][2][76]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>
>> ? ? ? On Behalf
>
>> ? ? ? Of Mike & Elizabeth
>
>> ? ? ? Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 9:52 AM
>
>> ? ? ? To: [3][3][77]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>> ? ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
>> ? ? ? The pink Pantera awarded to the 1972 Playmate of the Year is for
>
>> ? ? ? sale in
>
>> ? ? ? BaT.A? Now repainted in red over black and Grp IV flared.A? I'm
>
>> ? sure
>
>> ? ? ? it's aged
>
>> ? ? ? better then it's recipient.
>
>> ? ? ?
> [4][4][78]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-82/
>
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>
> Depends on how you drive the engine. Chev guys get nervous when
>
> cylinder walls drop below 0.125". Many street Clevelands did not have
>
> that thick walls when new. I personally get uneasy with walls below
>
> 0.090"- and not on the thrust side. I have a demo-block that sliced
>
> itself apart at a Silver State event. The thinnest wall area was
>
> 0.078", On that block, there was a mold seam on the backside that was
>
> virtually a dotted line that said, "crack here". Surprisingly, it
>
> didn't.
>
> I have a souvenir piece of cylinder wall on my desk about the size of
> a
>
> silver dollar that's 0.068" thick, from an 'as-usual' no-sonic test
>
> 030-over block. That engine, running 11"1 compression on 100-octane
>
> gas, blew the wall piece into the water jacket during a backfire on
> the
>
> starting line at an autocross (inadequate warm-up. My bad- and it
>
> wasn't even my car!) It was running fine but after my run the owner
>
> noticed water pouring out of one tail pipe. The owner sleeved that
> one
>
> thin cylinder and its still running (with lower compression using
>
> thicker head gaskets) as far as I know.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Larry Weston <[105]lplugw at hotmail.com>
>
> To: [106]jderyke at aol.com <[107]jderyke at aol.com>
>
> Cc: [108]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com <[109]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>;
>
> [110]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[111]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 4:16 am
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
> What is a minimum acceptable cylinder wall thickness? Itas certainly
>
> more important in one axis than the other.
>
> Itas hard to picture how removing another .005a (about as thick as
> two
>
> sheets of paper) from the cylinder wall to get from .030 to .040
> would
>
> render an engine block useless.
>
> Has anyone ever sliced open a block to see what that area really
> looks
>
> like?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 4:57 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>
> <[1][112]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Hi, Dan. Nice to see you at the recent Fun Rally in AZ, after so
>
> many
>
>> years. I can verify the value of sonic-testing EVERY 351-C block
>
> before
>
>> an overhaul. The rest of you guys, listen up-
>
>> One of the Nor-Cal guys had his OEM Cleveland bored 0.040"-over
> some
>
>> years ago. The fully rebuilt engine had extremely high oil use
> from
>
>> day-1 and after waiting for the engine to break-in, called me
> about
>
> it
>
>> at 1200 miles with no improvement. After a bit of back-and-forth
>
>> followed by engine removal and tear-down, he found the
>
> non-sonic-tested
>
>> block had such thin, flexible cylinder walls, the new rings were
>
>> skipping over bulges in the walls- hence the poor ring seal and
> high
>
>> oil use. So his OEM block was scrapped. Too bad since he had
> bought
>
>> the early Pantera new in '71....
>
>> Cheers- J DeRyke
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Daniel C Jones <[2][113]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
>
>> Cc: detomaso <[3][114]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
>> Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2022 9:51 am
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
>>> The pictures I reviewed showed a tired red Pantera with a clearly
>
>> amateurish installation in the engine bay
>
>> I spotted several potential issues with the engine build.A
> Below
>
> is
>
>> what I posted on BaT:
>
>> Note the engine is no longer a Cleveland.A Rather, it's more of
> a
>
>> reverse Clevor. Clevor is slang for a Windsor block with
> Cleveland
>
>> style canted valve heads.A This engine is the reverse with
>
> Windsor
>
>> inline valve heads on a Cleveland block.A Requires some custom
>
> parts
>
>> like headers and pistons with valve notches that match the
> inline
>
>> valves, along with gaskets and fasteners that work with the odd
>
>> intake/head/block combination.A Notice the hack job on the
>
> Windsor
>
>> intake end seal to clear the oil pressure sender fitting.A
> Also,
>
>> @BaT
>
>> the engine did not make 498 HP and 495 ft-lbs and turn over
> 10000
>
> RPM
>
>> on a dynamometer.A Instead, someone plugged some numbers into a
>
>> simulation program (Dyno2000) which output an estimate of 498 HP
>
> and
>
>> 495 ft-lbs.A Remember the first rule of simulation software is
>
>> GIGO.A
>
>> The fact that it wasn't spun to 10K+ RPM on the dyno is a good
>
> thing
>
>> as
>
>> the unnecessary high volume oil pump would have sucked that
> stock
>
> 5
>
>> quart pan dry, spun a rod bearing and chucked one or more of
> those
>
>> questionable CAT (not to be confused with the reputable SCAT
>
> company)
>
>> rods out the side of the block.A There's also a potential issue
>
> with
>
>> the top ring placement.A Cleveland blocks have notches for
> valve
>
>> clearance/unshrouding which limits where the top ring ring can
> be
>
>> placed.A Too high will put rings into the notches which is no
>
>> bueno.A
>
>> This also limits where the piston pin can be placed to get a
>
>> reasonable
>
>> ring pack.A The typical 4" stroke Cleveland will have a pin
>
> height
>
>> of
>
>> around 1.2" and use 6" rods.A The paperwork suggests the crank
> is
>
> a
>
>> 3.875" stroke SCAT unit.A That would be a custom crank stroke
> so
>
> I
>
>> suspect it's actually the off-the-shelf 3.85" 9000 series cast
>
> crank
>
>> which would match the stated 395 cubic inch displacement (3.875"
>
>> stroke
>
>> would be over 397 cubic inches).A Stroker math is simple and
>
>> suggests
>
>> that a 6.2" long rod and 3.85" stroke will have a pin height of
>
> 1.075
>
>> inches which is not recommended if you want the engine to last.A
>
>> Also,
>
>> I see no mention of sonic testing in the engine rebuild
>
> paperwork.A
>
>> Having had more than one Cleveland block fail sonic test at
> 0.030"
>
>> over
>
>> and another that needed a sleeve at standard bore, sonic testing
>
> is
>
>> highly recommended before boring 0.040" over.
>
>> Dan Jones
>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 10:04 AM Charles Engles
>
>> <[1][1][4][115]cengles at cox.net>
>
>> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mike,
>
>> A A A A A A A I think the recipient has aged a bit
> better
>
>> than the Pantera.
>
>> IIRC, I saw pictures of it and a story that while it was no
>
> longer
>
>> pink, it
>
>> was the Playboy Pink Pantera.A More astounding is that it was
>
> in
>
>> Oklahoma
>
>> and for sale several years ago.A I cannot recall the price.
>
>> A A A A A A A The pictures I reviewed showed a tired
> red
>
>> Pantera with a
>
>> clearly amateurish installation in the engine bay: nitrous
>
> lines,
>
>> wires,
>
>> hoses, remote filters, etc.A It looked like one should back
>
> away
>
>> slowly and
>
>> carefully, while shielding their eyes.A
>
>> A A A A A A A A In the BaT pictures, I can still see
>
> residua
>
>> of its previous
>
>> condition around the edges of some of the photos.A I am
>
> interested
>
>> in the
>
>> BaT bidding and comments on this Pantera with a salacious back
>
>> story.
>
>> A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards,
> Chuck
>
>> Engles
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: DeTomaso
>
>> [mailto:[2][2][5][116]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>
>> On Behalf
>
>> Of Mike & Elizabeth
>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 9:52 AM
>
>> To: [3][3][6][117]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
>> The pink Pantera awarded to the 1972 Playmate of the Year is
> for
>
>> sale in
>
>> BaT.A Now repainted in red over black and Grp IV flared.A
> I'm
>
>> sure
>
>> it's aged
>
>> better then it's recipient.
>
>>
>
>
> [4][4][7][118]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-8
> 2/
>
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> Message: 8
>
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:14:31 -0700
>
> From: Larry Stock <[178]larrys at panteraparts.com>
>
> To: <[179]jderyke at aol.com>, "[180]lplugw at hotmail.com"
> <[181]lplugw at hotmail.com>
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> Cc: "[182]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
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>
> Jack, That sounds like my block that the exhaust valve fell out of
> while doing 167 MPH that we coasted through the finish line on.
>
> It's called CORE SHIFT with the Light Cleveland state of the art
> casting methods at the time, which is why the Australian Blacks are
> heavier, as they couldn?t cast them that thin. All 4 cylinders were
> bored simultaneously and if they didn't hit it dead center, they were
> usually thinner either to the front or back of the engine block, not
> usually inside to outside. I had one that you could see the rings never
> seated in an oval shape because the cylinder wall was flexing on all 4
> cylinders until the front cylinder wall work-hardened enough to crack
> enough to let the coolant in on the intake cycle. The End
>
> Larry Stock
>
> ?On 6/22/22, 12:06 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
> <[185]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [186]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Depends on how you drive the engine. Chev guys get nervous when
>
> cylinder walls drop below 0.125". Many street Clevelands did not
> have
>
> that thick walls when new. I personally get uneasy with walls
> below
>
> 0.090"- and not on the thrust side. I have a demo-block that
> sliced
>
> itself apart at a Silver State event. The thinnest wall area was
>
> 0.078", On that block, there was a mold seam on the backside that
> was
>
> virtually a dotted line that said, "crack here". Surprisingly, it
>
> didn't.
>
> I have a souvenir piece of cylinder wall on my desk about the
> size of a
>
> silver dollar that's 0.068" thick, from an 'as-usual' no-sonic
> test
>
> 030-over block. That engine, running 11"1 compression on
> 100-octane
>
> gas, blew the wall piece into the water jacket during a backfire
> on the
>
> starting line at an autocross (inadequate warm-up. My bad- and it
>
> wasn't even my car!) It was running fine but after my run the
> owner
>
> noticed water pouring out of one tail pipe. The owner sleeved
> that one
>
> thin cylinder and its still running (with lower compression using
>
> thicker head gaskets) as far as I know.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Larry Weston <[187]lplugw at hotmail.com>
>
> To: [188]jderyke at aol.com <[189]jderyke at aol.com>
>
> Cc: [190]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com
> <[191]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>;
>
> [192]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[193]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 4:16 am
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
> What is a minimum acceptable cylinder wall thickness? Itas
> certainly
>
> more important in one axis than the other.
>
> Itas hard to picture how removing another .005a (about as thick
> as two
>
> sheets of paper) from the cylinder wall to get from .030 to .040
> would
>
> render an engine block useless.
>
> Has anyone ever sliced open a block to see what that area really
> looks
>
> like?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 4:57 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>
> <[1][194]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Hi, Dan. Nice to see you at the recent Fun Rally in AZ, after
> so
>
> many
>
>> years. I can verify the value of sonic-testing EVERY 351-C
> block
>
> before
>
>> an overhaul. The rest of you guys, listen up-
>
>> One of the Nor-Cal guys had his OEM Cleveland bored
> 0.040"-over some
>
>> years ago. The fully rebuilt engine had extremely high oil use
> from
>
>> day-1 and after waiting for the engine to break-in, called me
> about
>
> it
>
>> at 1200 miles with no improvement. After a bit of
> back-and-forth
>
>> followed by engine removal and tear-down, he found the
>
> non-sonic-tested
>
>> block had such thin, flexible cylinder walls, the new rings
> were
>
>> skipping over bulges in the walls- hence the poor ring seal
> and high
>
>> oil use. So his OEM block was scrapped. Too bad since he had
> bought
>
>> the early Pantera new in '71....
>
>> Cheers- J DeRyke
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Daniel C Jones <[2][195]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
>
>> Cc: detomaso <[3][196]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
>> Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2022 9:51 am
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
>>> The pictures I reviewed showed a tired red Pantera with a
> clearly
>
>> amateurish installation in the engine bay
>
>> I spotted several potential issues with the engine build.A
> Below
>
> is
>
>> what I posted on BaT:
>
>> Note the engine is no longer a Cleveland.A Rather, it's
> more of a
>
>> reverse Clevor. Clevor is slang for a Windsor block with
> Cleveland
>
>> style canted valve heads.A This engine is the reverse with
>
> Windsor
>
>> inline valve heads on a Cleveland block.A Requires some
> custom
>
> parts
>
>> like headers and pistons with valve notches that match the
> inline
>
>> valves, along with gaskets and fasteners that work with the
> odd
>
>> intake/head/block combination.A Notice the hack job on the
>
> Windsor
>
>> intake end seal to clear the oil pressure sender fitting.A
> Also,
>
>> @BaT
>
>> the engine did not make 498 HP and 495 ft-lbs and turn over
> 10000
>
> RPM
>
>> on a dynamometer.A Instead, someone plugged some numbers
> into a
>
>> simulation program (Dyno2000) which output an estimate of
> 498 HP
>
> and
>
>> 495 ft-lbs.A Remember the first rule of simulation software
> is
>
>> GIGO.A
>
>> The fact that it wasn't spun to 10K+ RPM on the dyno is a
> good
>
> thing
>
>> as
>
>> the unnecessary high volume oil pump would have sucked that
> stock
>
> 5
>
>> quart pan dry, spun a rod bearing and chucked one or more of
> those
>
>> questionable CAT (not to be confused with the reputable SCAT
>
> company)
>
>> rods out the side of the block.A There's also a potential
> issue
>
> with
>
>> the top ring placement.A Cleveland blocks have notches for
> valve
>
>> clearance/unshrouding which limits where the top ring ring
> can be
>
>> placed.A Too high will put rings into the notches which is
> no
>
>> bueno.A
>
>> This also limits where the piston pin can be placed to get a
>
>> reasonable
>
>> ring pack.A The typical 4" stroke Cleveland will have a pin
>
> height
>
>> of
>
>> around 1.2" and use 6" rods.A The paperwork suggests the
> crank is
>
> a
>
>> 3.875" stroke SCAT unit.A That would be a custom crank
> stroke so
>
> I
>
>> suspect it's actually the off-the-shelf 3.85" 9000 series
> cast
>
> crank
>
>> which would match the stated 395 cubic inch displacement
> (3.875"
>
>> stroke
>
>> would be over 397 cubic inches).A Stroker math is simple
> and
>
>> suggests
>
>> that a 6.2" long rod and 3.85" stroke will have a pin height
> of
>
> 1.075
>
>> inches which is not recommended if you want the engine to
> last.A
>
>> Also,
>
>> I see no mention of sonic testing in the engine rebuild
>
> paperwork.A
>
>> Having had more than one Cleveland block fail sonic test at
> 0.030"
>
>> over
>
>> and another that needed a sleeve at standard bore, sonic
> testing
>
> is
>
>> highly recommended before boring 0.040" over.
>
>> Dan Jones
>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 10:04 AM Charles Engles
>
>> <[1][1][4][197]cengles at cox.net>
>
>> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mike,
>
>> A A A A A A A I think the recipient has aged a bit
> better
>
>> than the Pantera.
>
>> IIRC, I saw pictures of it and a story that while it was
> no
>
> longer
>
>> pink, it
>
>> was the Playboy Pink Pantera.A More astounding is that it
> was
>
> in
>
>> Oklahoma
>
>> and for sale several years ago.A I cannot recall the
> price.
>
>> A A A A A A A The pictures I reviewed showed a
> tired red
>
>> Pantera with a
>
>> clearly amateurish installation in the engine bay: nitrous
>
> lines,
>
>> wires,
>
>> hoses, remote filters, etc.A It looked like one should
> back
>
> away
>
>> slowly and
>
>> carefully, while shielding their eyes.A
>
>> A A A A A A A A In the BaT pictures, I can still
> see
>
> residua
>
>> of its previous
>
>> condition around the edges of some of the photos.A I am
>
> interested
>
>> in the
>
>> BaT bidding and comments on this Pantera with a salacious
> back
>
>> story.
>
>> A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards,
> Chuck
>
>> Engles
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: DeTomaso
>
>>
> [mailto:[2][2][5][198]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>
>> On Behalf
>
>> Of Mike & Elizabeth
>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 9:52 AM
>
>> To: [3][3][6][199]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
>> The pink Pantera awarded to the 1972 Playmate of the Year
> is for
>
>> sale in
>
>> BaT.A Now repainted in red over black and Grp IV
> flared.A I'm
>
>> sure
>
>> it's aged
>
>> better then it's recipient.
>
>>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 20:22:25 +0000 (UTC)
>
> From: [262]jderyke at aol.com
>
> To: "[263]larrys at panteraparts.com" <[264]larrys at panteraparts.com>,
>
> "[265]lplugw at hotmail.com" <[266]lplugw at hotmail.com>
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> Cc: "[267]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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> <[268]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
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> Message-ID: <[269]545099914.1375141.1655929345757 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> That first mentioned was indeed your old SS block. I still have it and
> use it when I need to check something inside a block that would ruin it
> if I cut a window in the cast iron. Never throw ANYTHING away from a
> Pantera!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Larry Stock <[270]larrys at panteraparts.com>
>
> To: [271]jderyke at aol.com; [272]lplugw at hotmail.com
> <[273]lplugw at hotmail.com>
>
> Cc: [274]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[275]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 1:14 pm
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
> Jack, That sounds like my block that the exhaust valve fell out of
> while doing 167 MPH that we coasted through the finish line on.
>
> It's called CORE SHIFT with the Light Cleveland state of the art
> casting methods at the time, which is why the Australian Blacks are
> heavier, as they couldn?t cast them that thin. All 4 cylinders were
> bored simultaneously and if they didn't hit it dead center, they were
> usually thinner either to the front or back of the engine block, not
> usually inside to outside. I had one that you could see the rings never
> seated in an oval shape because the cylinder wall was flexing on all 4
> cylinders until the front cylinder wall work-hardened enough to crack
> enough to let the coolant in on the intake cycle. The End
>
> Larry Stock
>
> ?On 6/22/22, 12:06 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
> <[276]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [277]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> ? ? ? Depends on how you drive the engine. Chev guys get nervous when
>
> ? ? ? cylinder walls drop below 0.125". Many street Clevelands did not
> have
>
> ? ? ? that thick walls when new. I personally get uneasy with walls
> below
>
> ? ? ? 0.090"- and not on the thrust side. I have a demo-block that
> sliced
>
> ? ? ? itself apart at a Silver State event. The thinnest wall area was
>
> ? ? ? 0.078", On that block, there was a mold seam on the backside that
> was
>
> ? ? ? virtually a dotted line that said, "crack here". Surprisingly, it
>
> ? ? ? didn't.
>
> ? ? ? I have a souvenir piece of cylinder wall on my desk about the
> size of a
>
> ? ? ? silver dollar that's 0.068" thick, from an 'as-usual' no-sonic
> test
>
> ? ? ? 030-over block. That engine, running 11"1 compression on
> 100-octane
>
> ? ? ? gas, blew the wall piece into the water jacket during a backfire
> on the
>
> ? ? ? starting line at an autocross (inadequate warm-up. My bad- and it
>
> ? ? ? wasn't even my car!)? It was running fine but after my run the
> owner
>
> ? ? ? noticed water pouring out of one tail pipe.? The owner sleeved
> that one
>
> ? ? ? thin cylinder and its still running (with lower compression using
>
> ? ? ? thicker head gaskets) as far as I know.
>
> ? ? ? -----Original Message-----
>
> ? ? ? From: Larry Weston <[278]lplugw at hotmail.com>
>
> ? ? ? To: [279]jderyke at aol.com <[280]jderyke at aol.com>
>
> ? ? ? Cc: [281]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com
> <[282]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>;
>
> ? ? ? [283]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[284]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> ? ? ? Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 4:16 am
>
> ? ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
> ? ? ? What is a minimum acceptable cylinder wall thickness? Itas
> certainly
>
> ? ? ? more important in one axis than the other.
>
> ? ? ? Itas hard to picture how removing another .005a (about as thick
> as two
>
> ? ? ? sheets of paper) from the cylinder wall to get from .030 to .040
> would
>
> ? ? ? render an engine block useless.
>
> ? ? ? Has anyone ever sliced open a block to see what that area really
> looks
>
> ? ? ? like?
>
> ? ? ? Sent from my iPhone
>
> ? ? ? > On Jun 21, 2022, at 4:57 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>
> ? ? ? <[1][285]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> ? ? ? >
>
> ? ? ? >? Hi, Dan. Nice to see you at the recent Fun Rally in AZ, after
> so
>
> ? ? ? many
>
> ? ? ? >? years. I can verify the value of sonic-testing EVERY 351-C
> block
>
> ? ? ? before
>
> ? ? ? >? an overhaul.? The rest of you guys, listen up-
>
> ? ? ? >? One of the Nor-Cal guys had his OEM Cleveland bored
> 0.040"-over some
>
> ? ? ? >? years ago. The fully rebuilt engine had extremely high oil use
> from
>
> ? ? ? >? day-1 and after waiting for the engine to break-in, called me
> about
>
> ? ? ? it
>
> ? ? ? >? at 1200 miles with no improvement. After a bit of
> back-and-forth
>
> ? ? ? >? followed by engine removal and tear-down, he found the
>
> ? ? ? non-sonic-tested
>
> ? ? ? >? block had such thin, flexible cylinder walls, the new rings
> were
>
> ? ? ? >? skipping over bulges in the walls- hence the poor ring seal
> and high
>
> ? ? ? >? oil use.? So his OEM block was scrapped. Too bad since he had
> bought
>
> ? ? ? >? the early Pantera new in '71....
>
> ? ? ? >? Cheers- J DeRyke
>
> ? ? ? >? -----Original Message-----
>
> ? ? ? >? From: Daniel C Jones <[2][286]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
>
> ? ? ? >? Cc: detomaso <[3][287]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> ? ? ? >? Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2022 9:51 am
>
> ? ? ? >? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
> ? ? ? >> The pictures I reviewed showed a tired red Pantera with a
> clearly
>
> ? ? ? >? ? amateurish installation in the engine bay
>
> ? ? ? >? ? I spotted several potential issues with the engine build.A?
> Below
>
> ? ? ? is
>
> ? ? ? >? ? what I posted on BaT:
>
> ? ? ? >? ? Note the engine is no longer a Cleveland.A? Rather, it's
> more of a
>
> ? ? ? >? ? reverse Clevor. Clevor is slang for a Windsor block with
> Cleveland
>
> ? ? ? >? ? style canted valve heads.A? This engine is the reverse with
>
> ? ? ? Windsor
>
> ? ? ? >? ? inline valve heads on a Cleveland block.A? Requires some
> custom
>
> ? ? ? parts
>
> ? ? ? >? ? like headers and pistons with valve notches that match the
> inline
>
> ? ? ? >? ? valves, along with gaskets and fasteners that work with the
> odd
>
> ? ? ? >? ? intake/head/block combination.A? Notice the hack job on the
>
> ? ? ? Windsor
>
> ? ? ? >? ? intake end seal to clear the oil pressure sender fitting.A?
> Also,
>
> ? ? ? >? @BaT
>
> ? ? ? >? ? the engine did not make 498 HP and 495 ft-lbs and turn over
> 10000
>
> ? ? ? RPM
>
> ? ? ? >? ? on a dynamometer.A? Instead, someone plugged some numbers
> into a
>
> ? ? ? >? ? simulation program (Dyno2000) which output an estimate of
> 498 HP
>
> ? ? ? and
>
> ? ? ? >? ? 495 ft-lbs.A? Remember the first rule of simulation software
> is
>
> ? ? ? >? GIGO.A
>
> ? ? ? >? ? The fact that it wasn't spun to 10K+ RPM on the dyno is a
> good
>
> ? ? ? thing
>
> ? ? ? >? as
>
> ? ? ? >? ? the unnecessary high volume oil pump would have sucked that
> stock
>
> ? ? ? 5
>
> ? ? ? >? ? quart pan dry, spun a rod bearing and chucked one or more of
> those
>
> ? ? ? >? ? questionable CAT (not to be confused with the reputable SCAT
>
> ? ? ? company)
>
> ? ? ? >? ? rods out the side of the block.A? There's also a potential
> issue
>
> ? ? ? with
>
> ? ? ? >? ? the top ring placement.A? Cleveland blocks have notches for
> valve
>
> ? ? ? >? ? clearance/unshrouding which limits where the top ring ring
> can be
>
> ? ? ? >? ? placed.A? Too high will put rings into the notches which is
> no
>
> ? ? ? >? bueno.A
>
> ? ? ? >? ? This also limits where the piston pin can be placed to get a
>
> ? ? ? >? reasonable
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ring pack.A? The typical 4" stroke Cleveland will have a pin
>
> ? ? ? height
>
> ? ? ? >? of
>
> ? ? ? >? ? around 1.2" and use 6" rods.A? The paperwork suggests the
> crank is
>
> ? ? ? a
>
> ? ? ? >? ? 3.875" stroke SCAT unit.A? That would be a custom crank
> stroke so
>
> ? ? ? I
>
> ? ? ? >? ? suspect it's actually the off-the-shelf 3.85" 9000 series
> cast
>
> ? ? ? crank
>
> ? ? ? >? ? which would match the stated 395 cubic inch displacement
> (3.875"
>
> ? ? ? >? stroke
>
> ? ? ? >? ? would be over 397 cubic inches).A? Stroker math is simple
> and
>
> ? ? ? >? suggests
>
> ? ? ? >? ? that a 6.2" long rod and 3.85" stroke will have a pin height
> of
>
> ? ? ? 1.075
>
> ? ? ? >? ? inches which is not recommended if you want the engine to
> last.A
>
> ? ? ? >? Also,
>
> ? ? ? >? ? I see no mention of sonic testing in the engine rebuild
>
> ? ? ? paperwork.A
>
> ? ? ? >? ? Having had more than one Cleveland block fail sonic test at
> 0.030"
>
> ? ? ? >? over
>
> ? ? ? >? ? and another that needed a sleeve at standard bore, sonic
> testing
>
> ? ? ? is
>
> ? ? ? >? ? highly recommended before boring 0.040" over.
>
> ? ? ? >? ? Dan Jones
>
> ? ? ? >? ? On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 10:04 AM Charles Engles
>
> ? ? ? >? <[1][1][4][288]cengles at cox.net>
>
> ? ? ? >? ? wrote:
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? Dear Mike,
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? I think the recipient has aged a bit
> better
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? than the Pantera.
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? IIRC, I saw pictures of it and a story that while it was
> no
>
> ? ? ? longer
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? pink, it
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? was the Playboy Pink Pantera.A? More astounding is that it
> was
>
> ? ? ? in
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? Oklahoma
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? and for sale several years ago.A? I cannot recall the
> price.
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? The pictures I reviewed showed a
> tired red
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? Pantera with a
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? clearly amateurish installation in the engine bay: nitrous
>
> ? ? ? lines,
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? wires,
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? hoses, remote filters, etc.A? It looked like one should
> back
>
> ? ? ? away
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? slowly and
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? carefully, while shielding their eyes.A
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A In the BaT pictures, I can still
> see
>
> ? ? ? residua
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? of its previous
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? condition around the edges of some of the photos.A? I am
>
> ? ? ? interested
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? in the
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? BaT bidding and comments on this Pantera with a salacious
> back
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? story.
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? A? Warmest regards,
> Chuck
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? Engles
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? -----Original Message-----
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? From: DeTomaso
>
> ? ? ? >?
> [mailto:[2][2][5][289]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? On Behalf
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? Of Mike & Elizabeth
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 9:52 AM
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? To: [3][3][6][290]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? The pink Pantera awarded to the 1972 Playmate of the Year
> is for
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? sale in
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? BaT.A? Now repainted in red over black and Grp IV
> flared.A? I'm
>
> ? ? ? >? sure
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? it's aged
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? better then it's recipient.
>
> ? ? ? >
>
> ? ? ?
> [4][4][7][291]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-8
> 2/
>
> ? ? ? >? ? ? Mike Thomas
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>
> That first mentioned was indeed your old SS block. I still have it
> and
>
> use it when I need to check something inside a block that would ruin
> it
>
> if I cut a window in the cast iron. Never throw ANYTHING away from a
>
> Pantera!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Larry Stock <[353]larrys at panteraparts.com>
>
> To: [354]jderyke at aol.com; [355]lplugw at hotmail.com
> <[356]lplugw at hotmail.com>
>
> Cc: [357]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[358]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 1:14 pm
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
> Jack, That sounds like my block that the exhaust valve fell out of
>
> while doing 167 MPH that we coasted through the finish line on.
>
> It's called CORE SHIFT with the Light Cleveland state of the art
>
> casting methods at the time, which is why the Australian Blacks are
>
> heavier, as they couldnat cast them that thin. All 4 cylinders were
>
> bored simultaneously and if they didn't hit it dead center, they were
>
> usually thinner either to the front or back of the engine block, not
>
> usually inside to outside. I had one that you could see the rings
> never
>
> seated in an oval shape because the cylinder wall was flexing on all
> 4
>
> cylinders until the front cylinder wall work-hardened enough to crack
>
> enough to let the coolant in on the intake cycle. The End
>
> Larry Stock
>
> i>>?On 6/22/22, 12:06 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via
>
> DeTomaso" <[1][359]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
> of
>
> [2][360]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Depends on how you drive the engine. Chev guys get nervous when
>
> cylinder walls drop below 0.125". Many street Clevelands did
> not
>
> have
>
> that thick walls when new. I personally get uneasy with walls
>
> below
>
> 0.090"- and not on the thrust side. I have a demo-block that
>
> sliced
>
> itself apart at a Silver State event. The thinnest wall area
> was
>
> 0.078", On that block, there was a mold seam on the backside
> that
>
> was
>
> virtually a dotted line that said, "crack here". Surprisingly,
> it
>
> didn't.
>
> I have a souvenir piece of cylinder wall on my desk about the
>
> size of a
>
> silver dollar that's 0.068" thick, from an 'as-usual' no-sonic
>
> test
>
> 030-over block. That engine, running 11"1 compression on
>
> 100-octane
>
> gas, blew the wall piece into the water jacket during a
> backfire
>
> on the
>
> starting line at an autocross (inadequate warm-up. My bad- and
> it
>
> wasn't even my car!) It was running fine but after my run the
>
> owner
>
> noticed water pouring out of one tail pipe. The owner sleeved
>
> that one
>
> thin cylinder and its still running (with lower compression
> using
>
> thicker head gaskets) as far as I know.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Larry Weston <[3][361]lplugw at hotmail.com>
>
> To: [4][362]jderyke at aol.com <[5][363]jderyke at aol.com>
>
> Cc: [6][364]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com
> <[7][365]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>;
>
> [8][366]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> <[9][367]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 4:16 am
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
> What is a minimum acceptable cylinder wall thickness? Itas
>
> certainly
>
> more important in one axis than the other.
>
> Itas hard to picture how removing another .005a (about as thick
>
> as two
>
> sheets of paper) from the cylinder wall to get from .030 to
> .040
>
> would
>
> render an engine block useless.
>
> Has anyone ever sliced open a block to see what that area
> really
>
> looks
>
> like?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 4:57 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>
> <[1][10][368]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Hi, Dan. Nice to see you at the recent Fun Rally in AZ,
> after
>
> so
>
> many
>
>> years. I can verify the value of sonic-testing EVERY 351-C
>
> block
>
> before
>
>> an overhaul. The rest of you guys, listen up-
>
>> One of the Nor-Cal guys had his OEM Cleveland bored
>
> 0.040"-over some
>
>> years ago. The fully rebuilt engine had extremely high oil
> use
>
> from
>
>> day-1 and after waiting for the engine to break-in, called
> me
>
> about
>
> it
>
>> at 1200 miles with no improvement. After a bit of
>
> back-and-forth
>
>> followed by engine removal and tear-down, he found the
>
> non-sonic-tested
>
>> block had such thin, flexible cylinder walls, the new rings
>
> were
>
>> skipping over bulges in the walls- hence the poor ring seal
>
> and high
>
>> oil use. So his OEM block was scrapped. Too bad since he
> had
>
> bought
>
>> the early Pantera new in '71....
>
>> Cheers- J DeRyke
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Daniel C Jones <[2][11][369]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
>
>> Cc: detomaso <[3][12][370]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
>> Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2022 9:51 am
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
>>> The pictures I reviewed showed a tired red Pantera with a
>
> clearly
>
>> amateurish installation in the engine bay
>
>> I spotted several potential issues with the engine build.A
>
> Below
>
> is
>
>> what I posted on BaT:
>
>> Note the engine is no longer a Cleveland.A Rather, it's
>
> more of a
>
>> reverse Clevor. Clevor is slang for a Windsor block with
>
> Cleveland
>
>> style canted valve heads.A This engine is the reverse
> with
>
> Windsor
>
>> inline valve heads on a Cleveland block.A Requires some
>
> custom
>
> parts
>
>> like headers and pistons with valve notches that match the
>
> inline
>
>> valves, along with gaskets and fasteners that work with
> the
>
> odd
>
>> intake/head/block combination.A Notice the hack job on
> the
>
> Windsor
>
>> intake end seal to clear the oil pressure sender fitting.A
>
> Also,
>
>> @BaT
>
>> the engine did not make 498 HP and 495 ft-lbs and turn
> over
>
> 10000
>
> RPM
>
>> on a dynamometer.A Instead, someone plugged some numbers
>
> into a
>
>> simulation program (Dyno2000) which output an estimate of
>
> 498 HP
>
> and
>
>> 495 ft-lbs.A Remember the first rule of simulation
> software
>
> is
>
>> GIGO.A
>
>> The fact that it wasn't spun to 10K+ RPM on the dyno is a
>
> good
>
> thing
>
>> as
>
>> the unnecessary high volume oil pump would have sucked
> that
>
> stock
>
> 5
>
>> quart pan dry, spun a rod bearing and chucked one or more
> of
>
> those
>
>> questionable CAT (not to be confused with the reputable
> SCAT
>
> company)
>
>> rods out the side of the block.A There's also a potential
>
> issue
>
> with
>
>> the top ring placement.A Cleveland blocks have notches
> for
>
> valve
>
>> clearance/unshrouding which limits where the top ring ring
>
> can be
>
>> placed.A Too high will put rings into the notches which
> is
>
> no
>
>> bueno.A
>
>> This also limits where the piston pin can be placed to get
> a
>
>> reasonable
>
>> ring pack.A The typical 4" stroke Cleveland will have a
> pin
>
> height
>
>> of
>
>> around 1.2" and use 6" rods.A The paperwork suggests the
>
> crank is
>
> a
>
>> 3.875" stroke SCAT unit.A That would be a custom crank
>
> stroke so
>
> I
>
>> suspect it's actually the off-the-shelf 3.85" 9000 series
>
> cast
>
> crank
>
>> which would match the stated 395 cubic inch displacement
>
> (3.875"
>
>> stroke
>
>> would be over 397 cubic inches).A Stroker math is simple
>
> and
>
>> suggests
>
>> that a 6.2" long rod and 3.85" stroke will have a pin
> height
>
> of
>
> 1.075
>
>> inches which is not recommended if you want the engine to
>
> last.A
>
>> Also,
>
>> I see no mention of sonic testing in the engine rebuild
>
> paperwork.A
>
>> Having had more than one Cleveland block fail sonic test
> at
>
> 0.030"
>
>> over
>
>> and another that needed a sleeve at standard bore, sonic
>
> testing
>
> is
>
>> highly recommended before boring 0.040" over.
>
>> Dan Jones
>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 10:04 AM Charles Engles
>
>> <[1][1][4][13][371]cengles at cox.net>
>
>> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mike,
>
>> A A A A A A A I think the recipient has aged a
> bit
>
> better
>
>> than the Pantera.
>
>> IIRC, I saw pictures of it and a story that while it was
>
> no
>
> longer
>
>> pink, it
>
>> was the Playboy Pink Pantera.A More astounding is that
> it
>
> was
>
> in
>
>> Oklahoma
>
>> and for sale several years ago.A I cannot recall the
>
> price.
>
>> A A A A A A A The pictures I reviewed showed a
>
> tired red
>
>> Pantera with a
>
>> clearly amateurish installation in the engine bay:
> nitrous
>
> lines,
>
>> wires,
>
>> hoses, remote filters, etc.A It looked like one should
>
> back
>
> away
>
>> slowly and
>
>> carefully, while shielding their eyes.A
>
>> A A A A A A A A In the BaT pictures, I can still
>
> see
>
> residua
>
>> of its previous
>
>> condition around the edges of some of the photos.A I am
>
> interested
>
>> in the
>
>> BaT bidding and comments on this Pantera with a
> salacious
>
> back
>
>> story.
>
>> A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest
> regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>> Engles
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: DeTomaso
>
>>
> [mailto:[2][2][5][14][372]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
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>> On Behalf
>
>> Of Mike & Elizabeth
>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 9:52 AM
>
>> To: [3][3][6][15][373]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
>
>> The pink Pantera awarded to the 1972 Playmate of the
> Year
>
> is for
>
>> sale in
>
>> BaT.A Now repainted in red over black and Grp IV
>
> flared.A I'm
>
>> sure
>
>> it's aged
>
>> better then it's recipient.
>
>>
>
>
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> Message: 10
>
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 17:08:35 -0400
>
> From: Will Kooiman <[513]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
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> To: <[514]dnunn at telus.net>, <[515]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender for the ZF?
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> Message-ID: <[516]59712994-BB6E-432C-B63F-47B1C87941A4 at gmail.com>
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> Thanks Dave,
>
> I just ordered a box from Speed Hut. It does what you describe.
>
> I never woulda thunk such a thing existed.
>
> It states that it has multiple inputs. It has GPS input, but you can
> also use VSS, and it will use both or either. Details on their
> website.
>
> I actually still have a VSS from Milwaukee Speedometer Service. Once
> it arrives, I'll post how well it works. I'll try it with VSS, GPS,
> and both to see if there is a difference either way.
>
> Btw, it comes with a 3' cable. I chose the VW cable, since it said the
> speedo side was M18 x 1.5.
>
> Will.
>
> ?On 6/15/22, 12:48 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of David Nunn"
> <[517]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [518]dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>
> I had my OEM Veglia speedo converted to electric operation by
> North
>
> Hollywood Speedometer. All they do is take the electric drive
> motor out
>
> of an electric speedo and attach it to the main drive shaft of
> the OEM
>
> speedo. It all fits within the OEM speedo case. The only clue
> that it's
>
> now an electric speedo is the pigtail hanging out of it! The
> electric
>
> motor now turns the speedo instead of a cable. The odometer and
> trip
>
> odometer are untouched and work as before. I used the motor from
> an Si
>
> speedo but any electric speedo motor will work. I suppose you
> could
>
> even use an Autometer stepper-motor speedo's electric motor. I
> use an
>
> Autometer GPS sending unit too. It works perfectly with my Si
> speedo
>
> motor. The beauty of a GPS sending unit is, it's very easy to
> calibrate
>
> and is accurate to 1 metre.
>
> Since I no longer needed a speedo cable, I purchased a VSS from
>
> Milwaukee Speedometer Service to replace the angle drive on my
> ZF. The
>
> VSS supplies the signals for my EZ Electric power steering and
> fuel
>
> injection ECU.
>
> Dave
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> 44. mailto:20220622183146.BE3F7801FEE at smtp.hushmail.com
> 45. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-82/
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> 52. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-82/
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