[DeTomaso] steering noise question

[Christopher Kimball]

The power seems to be there when pushing the window down (it's already down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up.  I beleive the plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I bought the car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the seller's word for it.

Sincerely,

Chris
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From: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
To: 'Christopher Kimball' <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera Owners Club of America' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question

Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can hear the motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens when you hit the switch to put it up?  Or, is it down and doesn't want to come up?  Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic gear in your window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits, and needs to be replaced.

When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was some kind of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the steering shaft.  As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he pulled into the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the ZF fluid.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of Christopher Kimball
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
To: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question

I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be inundating you with questions!

Here are the latest two:

  1.   My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go up.  The down position still seems to work.  I'm assuming the switch has gone bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.  In the meantime, is there anything special I need to be aware of when removing the current switches?

  1.   After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house in warm weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled into Mikes' garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going over bumps, and especially when turning right or left.  Once in the garage and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned the wheels left or right.  After the oil was changed, probably an hour or so, we jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the front wheels for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels lock-to-lock.  Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.  Even after the car was back on the ground the noise was no longer there.

           Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the sound returned.  After letting the car sit for a couple of hours, again, no sound.  After driving home again, however, the sound            returned--I became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began turning left and right on the side streets.  It almost sounds as if something is binding, or something under there            needs lubrication.  Are there places to lube things under the front of the car?  If so, I'm ready with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!  Otherwise, what could be the problem?

I appreciate your help and advice.

Sincerely,

Chris

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   The power seems to be there when pushing the window down (it's already
   down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up.  I beleive the
   plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I bought the
   car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the seller's
   word for it.

   Sincerely,

   Chris
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
   Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
   To: 'Christopher Kimball' <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera Owners Club
   of America' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question

   Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can hear the
   motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens when you hit
   the switch to put it up?  Or, is it down and doesn't want to come up?
   Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic gear in your
   window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits, and needs to
   be replaced.
   When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was some kind
   of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the steering
   shaft.  As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he pulled into
   the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the ZF fluid.
   Mike
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
   Christopher Kimball
   Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
   To: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
   I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be inundating you
   with questions!
   Here are the latest two:
     1.   My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go up.  The
   down position still seems to work.  I'm assuming the switch has gone
   bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.  In the meantime, is there
   anything special I need to be aware of when removing the current
   switches?
     1.   After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house in warm
   weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled into Mikes'
   garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going over
   bumps, and especially when turning right or left.  Once in the garage
   and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned the wheels
   left or right.  After the oil was changed, probably an hour or so, we
   jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the front wheels
   for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels lock-to-lock.
   Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.  Even after the car was
   back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
   Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the sound
   returned.  After letting the car sit for a couple of hours, again, no
   sound.  After driving home again, however, the sound   returned--I
   became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began turning
   left and right on the side streets.  It almost sounds as if something
   is binding, or something under there needs lubrication.  Are there
   places to lube things under the front of the car?  If so, I'm ready
   with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!  Otherwise, what could be the
   problem?
   I appreciate your help and advice.
   Sincerely,
   Chris