[DeTomaso] TIG Welders?

Wed Jul 20 10:31:30 EDT 2022

I started typing up a similar response and hadn't gotten around to sending yet.

I have a Millermatic 210 Mig and a Lincoln 175 TIG/stick. The Mig is my go-to for most of the welding jobs I have at the home user level and the staple for any car body work. I find that to remain proficient at TIG it needs to be used regularly, I got it for aluminum welding, but never had time to devote to be able produce those perfect beads you see on all the videos!

I purchased both my welders barely used for less than $1,000 each, people like us with good intentions purchase one and end up infrequently using it. I'd also suggest looking on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace.

Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of George B <gkb1968 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 7:17 AM
To: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TIG Welders?

Hi Ken,

I have a Lincoln PowerMig 216 (250amp peak) and an Everlast 250EX inverter TIG with a torch cooler and upgraded CK brand torch.  It used to be that American made big name machines were the only way to go.  Things are a bit different now.  Many of the Lincoln and Miller machines are made in China and have few features at a home shop price point.  The prices can be 3 or 4 times more than the lesser known brands.  There are some junk machines, but also some really nice ones that aren't blue or red.

My Everlast seems to be very high quality and was 3 times less than a comparable Miller.  That very expensive Miller didn't have IGBT Inverters so the aluminum welding ability isn't as controllable if the parts aren't new and high purity.  Had a pro welder use it once and said it was better than his Miller at work for aluminum parts.  So far everything still works as new and I have had it for about 2yrs.  It may not last as long as the Miller, but at 3 times the price you could buy another if it failed someday.

Also, If you are just using it for a home shop, you could look at used machines.  I've seen good deals on smaller lightly used machines on FB market place.

Regards,
George
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 3:02 PM
To: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] TIG Welders?

Looking at welders, a client recommended a Miller 220, but they are $4K.  Anyone know if Eastwood welders are any good:
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eastwood.com%2Feastwood-mp250i-multi-process-250-amp-welder-mig-tig-arc.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7C51b7af6fdfbd48076a2408da6a5a95f3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637939234553302583%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=pp7jzlgtE1Fu9a%2BYybyCG8iaFWjhtglzn2auzNDShq8%3D&reserved=0
this seems to have a lot of the features of the Miller, less than half the price.  The client said the Miller 220 does a lot for you to get a good weld:
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.millerwelds.com%2Fequipment%2Fwelders%2Fmultiprocess%2Fmultimatic-220-acdc-multiprocess-welder-m30190&data=05%7C01%7C%7C51b7af6fdfbd48076a2408da6a5a95f3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637939234553302583%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0YWJI38lM4mOBYOoqh8m5PS7AapSUC1XL9vPFDc0ZWA%3D&reserved=0

Thanks,

Ken
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   I started typing up a similar response and hadn't gotten around to
   sending yet.

   I have a Millermatic 210 Mig and a Lincoln 175 TIG/stick. The Mig is my
   go-to for most of the welding jobs I have at the home user level and
   the staple for any car body work. I find that to remain proficient at
   TIG it needs to be used regularly, I got it for aluminum welding, but
   never had time to devote to be able produce those perfect beads you see
   on all the videos!

   I purchased both my welders barely used for less than $1,000 each,
   people like us with good intentions purchase one and end up
   infrequently using it. I'd also suggest looking on Craigslist and
   Facebook Marketplace.
   Julian
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   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   George B <gkb1968 at hotmail.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 7:17 AM
   To: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>; Ken Green
   <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TIG Welders?

   Hi Ken,
   I have a Lincoln PowerMig 216 (250amp peak) and an Everlast 250EX
   inverter TIG with a torch cooler and upgraded CK brand torch.  It used
   to be that American made big name machines were the only way to go.
   Things are a bit different now.  Many of the Lincoln and Miller
   machines are made in China and have few features at a home shop price
   point.  The prices can be 3 or 4 times more than the lesser known
   brands.  There are some junk machines, but also some really nice ones
   that aren't blue or red.
   My Everlast seems to be very high quality and was 3 times less than a
   comparable Miller.  That very expensive Miller didn't have IGBT
   Inverters so the aluminum welding ability isn't as controllable if the
   parts aren't new and high purity.  Had a pro welder use it once and
   said it was better than his Miller at work for aluminum parts.  So far
   everything still works as new and I have had it for about 2yrs.  It may
   not last as long as the Miller, but at 3 times the price you could buy
   another if it failed someday.
   Also, If you are just using it for a home shop, you could look at used
   machines.  I've seen good deals on smaller lightly used machines on FB
   market place.
   Regards,
   George
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 3:02 PM
   To: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] TIG Welders?
   Looking at welders, a client recommended a Miller 220, but they are
   $4K.  Anyone know if Eastwood welders are any good:
   [1]https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
   w.eastwood.com%2Feastwood-mp250i-multi-process-250-amp-welder-mig-tig-a
   rc.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7C51b7af6fdfbd48076a2408da6a5a95f3%7C84df9e
   7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637939234553302583%7CUnknown%7CTWF
   pbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn
   0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=pp7jzlgtE1Fu9a%2BYybyCG8iaFWjhtglzn2auzN
   DShq8%3D&reserved=0
   this seems to have a lot of the features of the Miller, less than half
   the price.  The client said the Miller 220 does a lot for you to get a
   good weld:
   [2]https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
   w.millerwelds.com%2Fequipment%2Fwelders%2Fmultiprocess%2Fmultimatic-220
   -acdc-multiprocess-welder-m30190&data=05%7C01%7C%7C51b7af6fdfbd4807
   6a2408da6a5a95f3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637939234
   553302583%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL
   CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0YWJI38lM4mOBYO
   oqh8m5PS7AapSUC1XL9vPFDc0ZWA%3D&reserved=0
   Thanks,
   Ken

References

   1. https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eastwood.com%2Feastwood-mp250i-multi-process-250-amp-welder-mig-tig-arc.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7C51b7af6fdfbd48076a2408da6a5a95f3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637939234553302583%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=pp7jzlgtE1Fu9a%2BYybyCG8iaFWjhtglzn2auzNDShq8%3D&reserved=0
   2. https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.millerwelds.com%2Fequipment%2Fwelders%2Fmultiprocess%2Fmultimatic-220-acdc-multiprocess-welder-m30190&data=05%7C01%7C%7C51b7af6fdfbd48076a2408da6a5a95f3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637939234553302583%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0YWJI38lM4mOBYOoqh8m5PS7AapSUC1XL9vPFDc0ZWA%3D&reserved=0