[DeTomaso] Correct amount of oil for an Armondo 10 qt pan.

Sun Jul 17 20:24:34 EDT 2022

Chris, heed Mike D's advice and measure from the tip of the dip to the cup at the upper end of the stick.  It should be 38".  If that is the case, then the stock markings on the stick are your indication of oil level.

Mike T.

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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of Christopher Kimball
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 3:54 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Correct amount of oil for an Armondo 10 qt pan.

Thank you for your input.

I do have a "full" mark on the dipstick that was made years ago after I installed the new 10 quart Armando pan.

I think I will probably add a couple more quarts, totaling eight in all, because that should bring the level up to the line that I scribed onto the dipstick at that time. 8 quarts may be a little low if it is truly a 10 court pan, however, after seeing some of the comments made earlier, 8 to 9 quarts seems sufficient for a pan of that type.

 Shortening the tube would only make things worse, I would actually have to shorten the dipstick in order to have the original dipstick markings show correctly, which I am a reticent to do. I will probably just leave things as is, and any new owner will have to simply know that the new mark on the dipstick is the full line.

Thanks again for all your help.  Now that I have my car back you can look forward with eager anticipation all the silly questions I will be putting on the forum!  😄

Sincerely,

Chris

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From: Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 7/17/22 1:39 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Correct amount of oil for an Armondo 10 qt pan.

I can attest to some third-party dipstick tubes for the Pantera being too long.  We had a Pantera owner here in Spokane (transplant from
California) who was constantly blowing oil out everywhere.  He had a 10-qt pan and  it took 10+ quarts to read full on his dipstick.  But all the symptoms were that it was overfilled.

Once I found out it had an aftermarket dipstick tube on it, we drained the pan and put the recommended number of quarts in, based on feedback here and which pan was installed.  Once that was done, we cut the end of the dipstick tube so the full mark on the dispstick read full.  Another method is to fill the proper amount and then scribe a new mark on the dipstick.  I preferred cutting the tube so we were using the stock marks, making the next owner comfortable with the readings and not wondering what the extra marks would have been.

Mike Drew  is correct.

In Chris' case, if the dipstick were properly "re-marked" when the new larger pan was put in years ago, then that is the mark they should probably use.  At least to get started.

Maybe worth a dip in the archives to figure out which pan he originally purchased too.  ;)

Asa  Jay

Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES-ACS EC/RO
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On 7/17/2022 12:37, MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso wrote:
> Mike,
>
> You are exactly right. The ONLY thing that dictates how much oil goes into the pan is the distance between the top of the oil and the bottom of the rotating assembly. That distance is fixed by the dipstick. You could hang a pan the size of Lake Michigan under the engine and the oil quantity would still be determined by the stock dipstick.
>
> (This presumes that the dipstick is actually correct which is by no 
> means a given. The TSB shows what the proper length should be—38 
> inches from cup to tip. On Lori’s 1971 the dipstick was too short 
> which meant there was too much oil in the engine. Rather than 
> lengthening the dipstick, instead we cut the appropriate amount from 
> the back of the tube which had the same effect.)
>
> The aftermarket “10-quart” pans are not quite that generous. Most people find they require 8.5-9 quarts including a bone dry filter. If you pre-fill the filter it will easily hold a half quart which would then reduce the amount you need to pour into the engine…..
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 15:17, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    Please see Chris' note below.  I have a 10 qt pan in my car as well and
>>    was never under the impression that you needed to use a different mark
>>    on the dipstick.  It should read the same for a stock pan as for one of
>>    the baffled 10-qt pans.  You just have to put more oil in.  I also seem
>>    to remember that it actually takes about 8.5 qts rather than the `10',
>>    being sure to run it to fill the oil filter before final measure.
>>
>>
>>    Please refresh my memory.
>>
>>    Thanks
>>
>>    Mike Thomas
>>
>>
>>    From: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
>>    Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 10:36 AM
>>    To: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>>    Subject: Re: Need a new name for Pandora
>>
>>
>>    I'll give it a couple of months--there are still things which need to
>>    be addressed, such as the oil pan.  It appears there is confusion as to
>>    what pan I have on the car.  back in 07 or so I bought what I think is
>>    a 10 qt Armondo pan, but I believe Denny only put 6 quarts in the car,
>>    since he must not have known the dipstick's original markings weren't
>>    correct after installing the new pan.  I had a mark I made showing the
>>    correct fill line I added, so I have to figure out what the correct
>>    amount of oil should be.
>>
>>
>>    Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>    Chris
>>     
>> _____________________________________________________________________
>>
>>    From: Mike & Elizabeth <[1]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>>    Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:29 AM
>>    To: [2]chrisvkimball at msn.com <[3]chrisvkimball at msn.com>
>>    Subject: Need a new name for Pandora
>>
>>
>>    Chris, now that you have your car back it may be a good idea to think
>>    of a new name for her so we can move on from Pandora . . .
>>
>> References
>>
>>    1. mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
>>    2. mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com
>>    3. mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>

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