[DeTomaso] Correct amount of oil for an Armondo 10 qt pan.
Christopher Kimball
chrisvkimball at msn.com
Sun Jul 17 18:53:38 EDT 2022
Thank you for your input.
I do have a "full" mark on the dipstick that was made years ago after I installed the new 10 quart Armando pan.
I think I will probably add a couple more quarts, totaling eight in all, because that should bring the level up to the line that I scribed onto the dipstick at that time. 8 quarts may be a little low if it is truly a 10 court pan, however, after seeing some of the comments made earlier, 8 to 9 quarts seems sufficient for a pan of that type.
Shortening the tube would only make things worse, I would actually have to shorten the dipstick in order to have the original dipstick markings show correctly, which I am a reticent to do. I will probably just leave things as is, and any new owner will have to simply know that the new mark on the dipstick is the full line.
Thanks again for all your help. Now that I have my car back you can look forward with eager anticipation all the silly questions I will be putting on the forum! 😄
Sincerely,
Chris
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Date: 7/17/22 1:39 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Correct amount of oil for an Armondo 10 qt pan.
I can attest to some third-party dipstick tubes for the Pantera being
too long. We had a Pantera owner here in Spokane (transplant from
California) who was constantly blowing oil out everywhere. He had a
10-qt pan and it took 10+ quarts to read full on his dipstick. But all
the symptoms were that it was overfilled.
Once I found out it had an aftermarket dipstick tube on it, we drained
the pan and put the recommended number of quarts in, based on feedback
here and which pan was installed. Once that was done, we cut the end of
the dipstick tube so the full mark on the dispstick read full. Another
method is to fill the proper amount and then scribe a new mark on the
dipstick. I preferred cutting the tube so we were using the stock
marks, making the next owner comfortable with the readings and not
wondering what the extra marks would have been.
Mike Drew is correct.
In Chris' case, if the dipstick were properly "re-marked" when the new
larger pan was put in years ago, then that is the mark they should
probably use. At least to get started.
Maybe worth a dip in the archives to figure out which pan he originally
purchased too. ;)
Asa Jay
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On 7/17/2022 12:37, MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso wrote:
> Mike,
>
> You are exactly right. The ONLY thing that dictates how much oil goes into the pan is the distance between the top of the oil and the bottom of the rotating assembly. That distance is fixed by the dipstick. You could hang a pan the size of Lake Michigan under the engine and the oil quantity would still be determined by the stock dipstick.
>
> (This presumes that the dipstick is actually correct which is by no means a given. The TSB shows what the proper length should be—38 inches from cup to tip. On Lori’s 1971 the dipstick was too short which meant there was too much oil in the engine. Rather than lengthening the dipstick, instead we cut the appropriate amount from the back of the tube which had the same effect.)
>
> The aftermarket “10-quart” pans are not quite that generous. Most people find they require 8.5-9 quarts including a bone dry filter. If you pre-fill the filter it will easily hold a half quart which would then reduce the amount you need to pour into the engine…..
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 15:17, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Please see Chris' note below. I have a 10 qt pan in my car as well and
>> was never under the impression that you needed to use a different mark
>> on the dipstick. It should read the same for a stock pan as for one of
>> the baffled 10-qt pans. You just have to put more oil in. I also seem
>> to remember that it actually takes about 8.5 qts rather than the `10',
>> being sure to run it to fill the oil filter before final measure.
>>
>>
>> Please refresh my memory.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike Thomas
>>
>>
>> From: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 10:36 AM
>> To: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Need a new name for Pandora
>>
>>
>> I'll give it a couple of months--there are still things which need to
>> be addressed, such as the oil pan. It appears there is confusion as to
>> what pan I have on the car. back in 07 or so I bought what I think is
>> a 10 qt Armondo pan, but I believe Denny only put 6 quarts in the car,
>> since he must not have known the dipstick's original markings weren't
>> correct after installing the new pan. I had a mark I made showing the
>> correct fill line I added, so I have to figure out what the correct
>> amount of oil should be.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>> Chris
>> _____________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Mike & Elizabeth <[1]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:29 AM
>> To: [2]chrisvkimball at msn.com <[3]chrisvkimball at msn.com>
>> Subject: Need a new name for Pandora
>>
>>
>> Chris, now that you have your car back it may be a good idea to think
>> of a new name for her so we can move on from Pandora . . .
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
>> 2. mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com
>> 3. mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com
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>>
>>
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Thank you for your input.
I do have a "full" mark on the dipstick that was made years ago after I
installed the new 10 quart Armando pan.
I think I will probably add a couple more quarts, totaling eight in
all, because that should bring the level up to the line that I scribed
onto the dipstick at that time. 8 quarts may be a little low if it is
truly a 10 court pan, however, after seeing some of the comments made
earlier, 8 to 9 quarts seems sufficient for a pan of that type.
Shortening the tube would only make things worse, I would actually
have to shorten the dipstick in order to have the original dipstick
markings show correctly, which I am a reticent to do. I will probably
just leave things as is, and any new owner will have to simply know
that the new mark on the dipstick is the full line.
Thanks again for all your help. Now that I have my car back you can
look forward with eager anticipation all the silly questions I will be
putting on the forum!
Sincerely,
Chris
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
smartphone
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From: Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 7/17/22 1:39 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Correct amount of oil for an Armondo 10 qt pan.
I can attest to some third-party dipstick tubes for the Pantera being
too long. We had a Pantera owner here in Spokane (transplant from
California) who was constantly blowing oil out everywhere. He had a
10-qt pan and it took 10+ quarts to read full on his dipstick. But
all
the symptoms were that it was overfilled.
Once I found out it had an aftermarket dipstick tube on it, we drained
the pan and put the recommended number of quarts in, based on feedback
here and which pan was installed. Once that was done, we cut the end
of
the dipstick tube so the full mark on the dispstick read full. Another
method is to fill the proper amount and then scribe a new mark on the
dipstick. I preferred cutting the tube so we were using the stock
marks, making the next owner comfortable with the readings and not
wondering what the extra marks would have been.
Mike Drew is correct.
In Chris' case, if the dipstick were properly "re-marked" when the new
larger pan was put in years ago, then that is the mark they should
probably use. At least to get started.
Maybe worth a dip in the archives to figure out which pan he originally
purchased too. ;)
Asa Jay
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On 7/17/2022 12:37, MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso wrote:
> Mike,
>
> You are exactly right. The ONLY thing that dictates how much oil goes
into the pan is the distance between the top of the oil and the bottom
of the rotating assembly. That distance is fixed by the dipstick. You
could hang a pan the size of Lake Michigan under the engine and the oil
quantity would still be determined by the stock dipstick.
>
> (This presumes that the dipstick is actually correct which is by no
means a given. The TSB shows what the proper length should be--38
inches from cup to tip. On Lori's 1971 the dipstick was too short which
meant there was too much oil in the engine. Rather than lengthening the
dipstick, instead we cut the appropriate amount from the back of the
tube which had the same effect.)
>
> The aftermarket "10-quart" pans are not quite that generous. Most
people find they require 8.5-9 quarts including a bone dry filter. If
you pre-fill the filter it will easily hold a half quart which would
then reduce the amount you need to pour into the engine.....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 15:17, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Please see Chris' note below. I have a 10 qt pan in my car as
well and
>> was never under the impression that you needed to use a different
mark
>> on the dipstick. It should read the same for a stock pan as for
one of
>> the baffled 10-qt pans. You just have to put more oil in. I
also seem
>> to remember that it actually takes about 8.5 qts rather than the
`10',
>> being sure to run it to fill the oil filter before final measure.
>>
>>
>> Please refresh my memory.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike Thomas
>>
>>
>> From: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 10:36 AM
>> To: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Need a new name for Pandora
>>
>>
>> I'll give it a couple of months--there are still things which
need to
>> be addressed, such as the oil pan. It appears there is confusion
as to
>> what pan I have on the car. back in 07 or so I bought what I
think is
>> a 10 qt Armondo pan, but I believe Denny only put 6 quarts in the
car,
>> since he must not have known the dipstick's original markings
weren't
>> correct after installing the new pan. I had a mark I made
showing the
>> correct fill line I added, so I have to figure out what the
correct
>> amount of oil should be.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
_____________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Mike & Elizabeth <[1]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:29 AM
>> To: [2]chrisvkimball at msn.com <[3]chrisvkimball at msn.com>
>> Subject: Need a new name for Pandora
>>
>>
>> Chris, now that you have your car back it may be a good idea to
think
>> of a new name for her so we can move on from Pandora . . .
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. [3]mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
>> 2. [4]mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com
>> 3. [5]mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
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