[DeTomaso] 1994 “cooling fix kit”
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Wed Jan 5 14:52:14 EST 2022
FWIW, I've been running the "Dennis fix" (Didn't realize it was called that. It was commonly done in the '70s on Clevelands) since 1990 on our modified Pantera with 80,000 trouble-free miles. By closing off the coolant recirculation passage in the block, it lengthens warm-up time a fraction in cold weather and blocks small air bubbles in coolant from dissapating. Period. No other negatives on our car. Using the same 1990 Weiand no-passage water pump, too.
Also have the exhaust heat passage under the carb blocked off at the intake and the choke stove plumbing around #8 exhaust tube deleted with the stock air cleaner. Again, all since the last century and no problems. The loss of those three warm up features may extend engine warmup by a whole 1.5 minutes in freezing weather and allows maybe 5 more horses to the rear wheels. Mileage is still 19 - 22/gallon @ 100 mph with a 'tuner' double pumper Holley & a cam. Sorry, CA.
J DeRyke in NV
-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 5, 2022 4:33 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 1994 “cooling fix kit”
I tried the “non-351c” thermostat work around. Cost me an engine. I don’t recommend it. Use the right parts. It matters.
Nathan Giles
> On Jan 5, 2022, at 01:49, MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
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> Larry,
>
> Dennis’ “fix” was a dumb idea perhaps inspired by a perceived difficulty in finding Cleveland thermostats—something that was never really difficult. It was a solution to a problem that didn’t exist and brought with it a whole host of other problems—some practical, others largely theoretical.
>
> I think the Ford engineers were not dummies. Respecting the original design just makes sense to me.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 4, 2022, at 18:42, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Came across this never installed “cooling fix kit” sold by Dennis - pantera performance - back in 1994.
>>
>> Process called for removing the stock brass plate, installing the kit’s modified no-hole solid plate and switching to a Windsor style thermostat.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> When purchased 2511 had this kit installed along with the Weiand water pump that omits the bypass passage.
>>
>> Despite those modifications, now seen as questionable, I never had any notable cooling issues.
>>
>> Replacement stroker Cleveland returned to the OEM thermostat system, Edelbrock water pump.
>>
>> Penny for your thoughts.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
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FWIW, I've been running the "Dennis fix" (Didn't realize it was called
that. It was commonly done in the '70s on Clevelands) since 1990 on our
modified Pantera with 80,000 trouble-free miles. By closing off the
coolant recirculation passage in the block, it lengthens warm-up time a
fraction in cold weather and blocks small air bubbles in coolant from
dissapating. Period. No other negatives on our car. Using the same 1990
Weiand no-passage water pump, too.
Also have the exhaust heat passage under the carb blocked off at the
intake and the choke stove plumbing around #8 exhaust tube deleted with
the stock air cleaner. Again, all since the last century and no
problems. The loss of those three warm up features may extend engine
warmup by a whole 1.5 minutes in freezing weather and allows maybe 5
more horses to the rear wheels. Mileage is still 19 - 22/gallon @ 100
mph with a 'tuner' double pumper Holley & a cam. Sorry, CA.
J DeRyke in NV
-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 5, 2022 4:33 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 1994 acooling fix kita
I tried the anon-351ca thermostat work around. Cost me an engine. I
donat recommend it. Use the right parts. It matters.
Nathan Giles
> On Jan 5, 2022, at 01:49, MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> i>>?Larry,
>
> Dennisa afixa was a dumb idea perhaps inspired by a perceived
difficulty in finding Cleveland thermostatsasomething that was never
really difficult. It was a solution to a problem that didnat exist and
brought with it a whole host of other problemsasome practical, others
largely theoretical.
>
> I think the Ford engineers were not dummies. Respecting the original
design just makes sense to me.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 4, 2022, at 18:42, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> i>>?All,
>>
>> Came across this never installed acooling fix kita sold by Dennis -
pantera performance - back in 1994.
>>
>> Process called for removing the stock brass plate, installing the
kitas modified no-hole solid plate and switching to a Windsor style
thermostat.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> When purchased 2511 had this kit installed along with the Weiand
water pump that omits the bypass passage.
>>
>> Despite those modifications, now seen as questionable, I never had
any notable cooling issues.
>>
>> Replacement stroker Cleveland returned to the OEM thermostat system,
Edelbrock water pump.
>>
>> Penny for your thoughts.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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