[DeTomaso] Tire question
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Mon Feb 28 23:05:03 EST 2022
I thought you were looking for race tires (Avon's). The Hoosier R7's are
race tires and inappropriate for road driving. But perhaps you can learn
something from the sizing.
On Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 9:02 PM Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris, these emails are bringing to mind some things that need to be
> said, I use 8" front tires either 245s and they require some inner
> fender shaping.A Mea culpa. And I agree that 225s are probably more
> appropriate. At the time, there weren't any 225 speed rated tires
> available.A
>
> Jeff
>
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 8:40 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Chris,
> You aneeda ZR rated tires? Thatas a ridiculous assertion.
> First of all, you are driving your car on the STREET so you want
> street tires. Not race tires.A Race tires come with loads of
> compromises, chief among them being severe unsuitability for driving
> in wet weather conditions. You live in Seattle!
> Secondly, ZR-rated tires are certified for 2 hours of continuous
> running at speeds above 149 mph. Do you truly believe you will be
> driving like that?
> ZR tires can come with either W (168 mph) or Y (168 mph) speed
> ratings. So strictly speaking, there is no Z speed rating. ZR just
> means afast radiala and the speed rating is either W or Y.
> BFG radial T/A tires are only S-rated (112 mph). Does that mean they
> will explode at 113 mph? Of course not. You can easily exceed the
> speed rating with perfect safety, in short durations of a few
> minutes at a time.
> If you think you will be running for 30-40 minutes straight above
> 112 mph you may want to consider different options. However for the
> type of use I think your car will see, if you stick to the 15-inch
> wheels, you would probably be best served with the BFGs in
> appropriate sizes.
> Good luck!
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> > On Feb 28, 2022, at 17:00, Christopher Kimball
> <[2]chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > i>>?A A Thanks for the info--I don't use my car on the track, but
> I have been
> >A A known to drive it thousands of miles across the country to Fun
> Rallys,
> >A A so I need tires that are Z rated since I might hypothetically
> drive
> >A A rapidly.
> >
> >A A Aren't Hoosiers lower-speed tires?
> >
> >A A Sincerely,
> >
> >A A Chris
> >A A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> >
> >A A From: Steve Lisa <[3]stevelisa at patentit.com>
> >A A Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 4:41 PM
> >A A To: Christopher Kimball <[4]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> >A A Cc: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>; Julian Kift
> >A A <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Pantera Owners Club of America
> >A A <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
> >
> >A A I use Hoosier R7's.A 225/50 in front and 275/50 in rear.A
> They work
> >A A great for racing and so far have no complaints at all and are
> turning
> >A A very competitive lap times.
> >A A Presently, you won't be able to buy Avon's due to supply
> issues ...at
> >A A least we can't.A Roger Krause says they hard to get and he is
> only
> >A A supplying his best customers.
> >A A The R7's are much cheaper, last forever with little lap time
> def, and
> >A A are easy to get.
> >A A Anyway, that's what we use.
> >A A On Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 5:03 PM Christopher Kimball
> >A A <[1][8]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >A A A A Hi Jeff,
> >A A A A Roger Kraus recommended the same setup you describe
> with the 215
> >A A A 60 on
> >A A A A the front.A You said you went with a 245 50 on the
> front, but
> >A A A isn't
> >A A A A that taller than a 215 60?
> >A A A A Thanks,
> >A A A A Chris
> >
> >A A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> >A A A A From: Jeff Detrich <[2][9]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> >A A A A Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 11:26 AM
> >A A A A To: Julian Kift <[3][10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >A A A A Cc: Christopher Kimball <[4][11]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
> Pantera
> >A A A Owners Club of
> >A A A A America <[5][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
> >A A A A When I upgraded, there were no matching speed rated
> tires except
> >A A A A Avons.
> >A A A A BACK:A Avon 15" CR6ZZ are 295/50 are high speed rated
> - R IIRC.
> >A A A Look
> >A A A A and handle great.
> >A A A A FRONT:A A Avon 15" CR6ZZ 215/60 same as above. I
> mounted them but
> >A A A they
> >A A A A look somewhat out of proportion to my eye. /60 is too
> thin and
> >A A A too
> >A A A A tall. I switched to a Michelin speed rated tire
> 245/50R15 -
> >A A A sorry,
> >A A A A don't remember the model, car is in the shop. Car looks
> balanced
> >A A A and is
> >A A A A balanced on the track.
> >A A A A Pirelli Cinturato Classics are new to me. Would like
> hear more
> >A A A A details.
> >A A A A Good to hear car coming along.
> >A A A A Jeff
> >A A A A 6559
> >A A A A On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 12:34 PM Julian Kift
> >A A A A <[1][6][13]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >A A A A A A A I think the 15" tires of choice are the Avon
> CR6ZZ or a
> >A A A Pirelli
> >A A A A A A A Cinturato P7 classic, but even the Pirelli
> 345/35/15
> >A A A replacement
> >A A A A A now
> >A A A A A A A has a VR designation with conflicting
> information on speed
> >A A A rating
> >A A A A A A A quoted as Z or Y.
> >A A A A A A A Julian
> >
> >A A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> >A A A A A A A From: DeTomaso
> >A A A <[2][7][14]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> >A A A A A behalf of
> >A A A A A A A Christopher Kimball
> <[3][8][15]chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> >A A A A A A A Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 10:04 AM
> >A A A A A A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> >A A A A A <[4][9][16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >A A A A A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Tire question
> >A A A A A A A Hi everyone,
> >A A A A A A A I haven't been contributing much to the Pantera
> community
> >A A A for a
> >A A A A A long
> >A A A A A A A while because my car has been undergoing an
> extensive
> >A A A A A restoration.
> >A A A A A A A Thanks for understanding; once I get my car
> back I'll return
> >A A A once
> >A A A A A again
> >A A A A A A A to the realm of the Pantera faithful.
> >A A A A A A A At this point the light at the end of the
> tunnel is shining
> >A A A A A brightly,
> >A A A A A A A and it appears my car should be done very soon.
> >A A A A A A A However, the tech who has been working on it
> told me when he
> >A A A took
> >A A A A A it
> >A A A A A A A for a test drive recently the tires were so
> hard it was
> >A A A almost
> >A A A A A A A dangerous to corner!
> >A A A A A A A I know there have been a lot of tire
> discussions over the
> >A A A years,
> >A A A A A and
> >A A A A A A A now I'm hoping someone will remember the
> solution to my tire
> >A A A A A question,
> >A A A A A A A which I'm sure has been dealt with already:A
> Is it possible
> >A A A for
> >A A A A A me to
> >A A A A A A A find new tires which are Z, W, or Y rated in
> the sizes 225
> >A A A 50 15
> >A A A A A A A (front), and either 295 50 15 or 285 50 15
> (rear)?
> >A A A A A A A I'm not overly concerned with the price if I
> can get the
> >A A A sizes I
> >A A A A A need,
> >A A A A A A A but obviously if I can find something
> reasonably priced,
> >A A A that
> >A A A A A would be
> >A A A A A A A good.
> >A A A A A A A Thanks, I appreciate your help!
> >A A A A A A A Sincerely,
> >A A A A A A A Chris
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I thought you were looking for race tires (Avon's).A The Hoosier R7's
are race tires and inappropriate for road driving.A But perhaps you
can learn something from the sizing.
On Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 9:02 PM Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
A A Chris, these emails are bringing to mind some things that need
to be
A A said, I use 8" front tires either 245s and they require some
inner
A A fender shaping.AA Mea culpa. And I agree that 225s are
probably more
A A appropriate. At the time, there weren't any 225 speed rated
tires
A A available.A
A A Jeff
A A On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 8:40 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso
A A <[1][2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A A Chris,
A A A You aneeda ZR rated tires? Thatas a ridiculous assertion.
A A A First of all, you are driving your car on the STREET so you
want
A A A street tires. Not race tires.AA Race tires come with loads
of
A A A compromises, chief among them being severe unsuitability for
driving
A A A in wet weather conditions. You live in Seattle!
A A A Secondly, ZR-rated tires are certified for 2 hours of
continuous
A A A running at speeds above 149 mph. Do you truly believe you
will be
A A A driving like that?
A A A ZR tires can come with either W (168 mph) or Y (168 mph)
speed
A A A ratings. So strictly speaking, there is no Z speed rating.
ZR just
A A A means afast radiala and the speed rating is either W or Y.
A A A BFG radial T/A tires are only S-rated (112 mph). Does that
mean they
A A A will explode at 113 mph? Of course not. You can easily
exceed the
A A A speed rating with perfect safety, in short durations of a
few
A A A minutes at a time.
A A A If you think you will be running for 30-40 minutes straight
above
A A A 112 mph you may want to consider different options. However
for the
A A A type of use I think your car will see, if you stick to the
15-inch
A A A wheels, you would probably be best served with the BFGs in
A A A appropriate sizes.
A A A Good luck!
A A A Mike
A A A Sent from my iPad
A A A > On Feb 28, 2022, at 17:00, Christopher Kimball
A A A <[2][3]chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A >
A A A > i>>?AA A Thanks for the info--I don't use my car on the
track, but
A A A I have been
A A A >AA A known to drive it thousands of miles across the
country to Fun
A A A Rallys,
A A A >AA A so I need tires that are Z rated since I might
hypothetically
A A A drive
A A A >AA A rapidly.
A A A >
A A A >AA A Aren't Hoosiers lower-speed tires?
A A A >
A A A >AA A Sincerely,
A A A >
A A A >AA A Chris
A A A >AA A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A >
A A A >AA A From: Steve Lisa <[3][4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
A A A >AA A Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 4:41 PM
A A A >AA A To: Christopher Kimball <[4][5]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
A A A >AA A Cc: Jeff Detrich <[5][6]jjdetrich at gmail.com>; Julian
Kift
A A A >AA A <[6][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Pantera Owners Club
of America
A A A >AA A <[7][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A >AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
A A A >
A A A >AA A I use Hoosier R7's.AA 225/50 in front and 275/50 in
rear.A
A A A They work
A A A >AA A great for racing and so far have no complaints at all
and are
A A A turning
A A A >AA A very competitive lap times.
A A A >AA A Presently, you won't be able to buy Avon's due to
supply
A A A issues ...at
A A A >AA A least we can't.AA Roger Krause says they hard to get
and he is
A A A only
A A A >AA A supplying his best customers.
A A A >AA A The R7's are much cheaper, last forever with little
lap time
A A A def, and
A A A >AA A are easy to get.
A A A >AA A Anyway, that's what we use.
A A A >AA A On Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 5:03 PM Christopher Kimball
A A A >AA A <[1][8][9]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A >
A A A >AA AA AA AA Hi Jeff,
A A A >AA AA AA AA Roger Kraus recommended the same setup you
describe
A A A with the 215
A A A >AA AA A 60 on
A A A >AA AA AA AA the front.AA You said you went with a 245
50 on the
A A A front, but
A A A >AA AA A isn't
A A A >AA AA AA AA that taller than a 215 60?
A A A >AA AA AA AA Thanks,
A A A >AA AA AA AA Chris
A A A >
A A A >AA A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A >AA AA AA AA From: Jeff Detrich
<[2][9][10]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A A >AA AA AA AA Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 11:26 AM
A A A >AA AA AA AA To: Julian Kift
<[3][10][11]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A >AA AA AA AA Cc: Christopher Kimball
<[4][11][12]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
A A A Pantera
A A A >AA AA A Owners Club of
A A A >AA AA AA AA America
<[5][12][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A >AA AA AA AA Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
A A A >AA AA AA AA When I upgraded, there were no matching
speed rated
A A A tires except
A A A >AA AA AA AA Avons.
A A A >AA AA AA AA BACK:AA Avon 15" CR6ZZ are 295/50 are high
speed rated
A A A - R IIRC.
A A A >AA AA AA Look
A A A >AA AA AA AA and handle great.
A A A >AA AA AA AA FRONT:AA A Avon 15" CR6ZZ 215/60 same as
above. I
A A A mounted them but
A A A >AA AA A they
A A A >AA AA AA AA look somewhat out of proportion to my eye.
/60 is too
A A A thin and
A A A >AA AA A too
A A A >AA AA AA AA tall. I switched to a Michelin speed rated
tire
A A A 245/50R15 -
A A A >AA AA A sorry,
A A A >AA AA AA AA don't remember the model, car is in the
shop. Car looks
A A A balanced
A A A >AA AA A and is
A A A >AA AA AA AA balanced on the track.
A A A >AA AA AA AA Pirelli Cinturato Classics are new to me.
Would like
A A A hear more
A A A >AA AA AA AA details.
A A A >AA AA AA AA Good to hear car coming along.
A A A >AA AA AA AA Jeff
A A A >AA AA AA AA 6559
A A A >AA AA AA AA On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 12:34 PM Julian
Kift
A A A >AA AA AA AA <[1][6][13][14]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A I think the 15" tires of choice
are the Avon
A A A CR6ZZ or a
A A A >AA AA A Pirelli
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A Cinturato P7 classic, but even
the Pirelli
A A A 345/35/15
A A A >AA AA A replacement
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA now
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A has a VR designation with
conflicting
A A A information on speed
A A A >AA AA A rating
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A quoted as Z or Y.
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A Julian
A A A >
A A A >AA A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A From: DeTomaso
A A A >AA AA A
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A A A >AA AA AA AA AA behalf of
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A Christopher Kimball
A A A <[3][8][15][16]chrisvkimball at msn.com>
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022
10:04 AM
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of
America
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA
<[4][9][16][17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] Tire question
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A Hi everyone,
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A I haven't been contributing much
to the Pantera
A A A community
A A A >AA AA A for a
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA long
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A while because my car has been
undergoing an
A A A extensive
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA restoration.
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A Thanks for understanding; once I
get my car
A A A back I'll return
A A A >AA AA A once
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA again
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A to the realm of the Pantera
faithful.
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A At this point the light at the
end of the
A A A tunnel is shining
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA brightly,
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A and it appears my car should be
done very soon.
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A However, the tech who has been
working on it
A A A told me when he
A A A >AA AA A took
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA it
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A for a test drive recently the
tires were so
A A A hard it was
A A A >AA AA A almost
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A dangerous to corner!
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A I know there have been a lot of
tire
A A A discussions over the
A A A >AA AA A years,
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA and
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A now I'm hoping someone will
remember the
A A A solution to my tire
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA question,
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A which I'm sure has been dealt
with already:A
A A A Is it possible
A A A >AA AA A for
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA me to
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A find new tires which are Z, W, or
Y rated in
A A A the sizes 225
A A A >AA AA A 50 15
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A (front), and either 295 50 15 or
285 50 15
A A A (rear)?
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A I'm not overly concerned with the
price if I
A A A can get the
A A A >AA AA A sizes I
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA need,
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A but obviously if I can find
something
A A A reasonably priced,
A A A >AA AA A that
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA would be
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A good.
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A Thanks, I appreciate your help!
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A Sincerely,
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA AA A Chris
A A A >AA AA AA AA AA
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