[DeTomaso] Tire question
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Mon Feb 28 21:37:18 EST 2022
Our 225/50 R7 front is mounted on 8" rims with stock offsets and they
barely....I mean barely...rub the inner fender well. We did not have to
roll the fenders for clearance even with the rigors of racing.
I don't know the exact dimensions of the tire offhand but they are readily
published by Hoosier.
On Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 7:26 PM Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> The 245 fits an 8" Campy wheel better than a 7" and also corrects most
> of the scrub-radius mismatch. A 215 or a 225-50 is stretched slightly
> on an 8" but fits a 7". From my experience, a 245-50 on an 8" may touch
> here and there at full lock, with all possible shock spacers gone and
> the car set slightly lower in front than stock. The amount of caster
> you run also influences since extra caster pulls the whole suspension-
> with the wheel & tire- backwards.
> On my '72 L, a pair of 245s touched the left front cowl drain pipe on
> the firewall, the extreme edge of the wiper motor shield and the fwd
> lower edge of the right wheel opening. Nothing serious- 5 minutes with
> a ball peen hammer fixed all the contact spots. IMHO a 245 in 15, 16,
> 17 or 18" size is the widest possible tire that fits in front without
> far more hammer work or flares.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Jeff Detrich
> <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 28, 2022 5:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
> So it sounds as if the 245 would be slightly lower profile, which I
> like, but would it be too wide to turn sharply without scraping?
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 4:53 PM
> To: Jeff Detrich <[2]jjdetrich at gmail.com>; Christopher Kimball
> <[3]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
> <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
> More specifically a 245/50 tire is 245*50% = 122.5mm tire wall height
> or 4.8" therefore 15 + 2x4.8 = 24.65" total dia.
> Whereas 215/60 = 129mm tire wall height or 5.08" therefore 15 =
> 2x5.08
> = 25.2" total dia.
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 4:40 PM
> To: Christopher Kimball <[6]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> Cc: Julian Kift <[7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Pantera Owners Club of
> America <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
> Chris, these are not very intuitive. Of the numbers, the 60 and 50
> are
> more significant. They are the aspect ratio, height vs width. The 215
> and 245 are the section width. So the 60 number is the important
> number.
> Jeff
>
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> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 6:03 PM Christopher Kimball
> <[2][10]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
> Roger Kraus recommended the same setup you describe with the 215 60
> on
> the front. You said you went with a 245 50 on the front, but isn't
> that taller than a 215 60?
> Thanks,
> Chris
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: Jeff Detrich <[3][11]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 11:26 AM
> To: Julian Kift <[4][12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <[5][13]chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Pantera
> Owners Club
> of America <[6][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
> When I upgraded, there were no matching speed rated tires except
> Avons.
> BACK: Avon 15" CR6ZZ are 295/50 are high speed rated - R IIRC. Look
> and handle great.
> FRONT: Avon 15" CR6ZZ 215/60 same as above. I mounted them but they
> look somewhat out of proportion to my eye. /60 is too thin and too
> tall. I switched to a Michelin speed rated tire 245/50R15 - sorry,
> don't remember the model, car is in the shop. Car looks balanced and
> is
> balanced on the track.
> Pirelli Cinturato Classics are new to me. Would like hear more
> details.
> Good to hear car coming along.
> Jeff
> 6559
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 12:34 PM Julian Kift
> <[7][15]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I think the 15" tires of choice are the Avon CR6ZZ or a Pirelli
> Cinturato P7 classic, but even the Pirelli 345/35/15
> replacement
> now
> has a VR designation with conflicting information on speed
> rating
> quoted as Z or Y.
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso
> <[8][16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
> Christopher Kimball <[9][17]chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 10:04 AM
> To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> <[10][18]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tire question
> Hi everyone,
> I haven't been contributing much to the Pantera community for a
> long
> while because my car has been undergoing an extensive
> restoration.
> Thanks for understanding; once I get my car back I'll return
> once
> again
> to the realm of the Pantera faithful.
> At this point the light at the end of the tunnel is shining
> brightly,
> and it appears my car should be done very soon.
> However, the tech who has been working on it told me when he
> took
> it
> for a test drive recently the tires were so hard it was almost
> dangerous to corner!
> I know there have been a lot of tire discussions over the
> years,
> and
> now I'm hoping someone will remember the solution to my tire
> question,
> which I'm sure has been dealt with already: Is it possible for
> me to
> find new tires which are Z, W, or Y rated in the sizes 225 50
> 15
> (front), and either 295 50 15 or 285 50 15 (rear)?
> I'm not overly concerned with the price if I can get the sizes
> I
> need,
> but obviously if I can find something reasonably priced, that
> would be
> good.
> Thanks, I appreciate your help!
> Sincerely,
> Chris
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Our 225/50 R7 front is mounted on 8" rims with stock offsets and theyA
barely....I mean barely...rub the inner fender well.A We did not have
to roll the fenders for clearance even with the rigors of racing.
I don't know the exact dimensions of the tire offhand but they are
readily published by Hoosier.
On Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 7:26 PM Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A The 245 fits an 8" Campy wheel better than a 7" and also
corrects most
A A of the scrub-radius mismatch. A 215 or a 225-50 is stretched
slightly
A A on an 8" but fits a 7". From my experience, a 245-50 on an 8"
may touch
A A here and there at full lock, with all possible shock spacers
gone and
A A the car set slightly lower in front than stock. The amount of
caster
A A you run also influences since extra caster pulls the whole
suspension-
A A with the wheel & tire- backwards.
A A On my '72 L,A a pair of 245s touched the left front cowl drain
pipe on
A A the firewall, the extreme edge of the wiper motor shield and
the fwd
A A lower edge of the right wheel opening. Nothing serious- 5
minutes with
A A a ball peen hammer fixed all the contact spots. IMHO a 245 in
15, 16,
A A 17 or 18" size is the widest possible tire that fits in front
without
A A far more hammer work or flares.
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: Christopher Kimball <[2]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
A A To: Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Jeff Detrich
A A <[4]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Sent: Mon, Feb 28, 2022 5:01 pm
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
A A A So it sounds as if the 245 would be slightly lower profile,
which I
A A A like, but would it be too wide to turn sharply without
scraping?
A A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A From: Julian Kift <[1][6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 4:53 PM
A A A To: Jeff Detrich <[2][7]jjdetrich at gmail.com>; Christopher
Kimball
A A A <[3][8]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
A A A Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
A A <[4][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
A A A More specifically a 245/50 tire is 245*50% = 122.5mm tire
wall height
A A A or 4.8" therefore 15 + 2x4.8 = 24.65" total dia.
A A A Whereas 215/60 = 129mm tire wall height or 5.08" therefore
15 =
A A 2x5.08
A A A = 25.2" total dia.
A A A Julian
A A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A From: Jeff Detrich <[5][10]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A A Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 4:40 PM
A A A To: Christopher Kimball <[6][11]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
A A A Cc: Julian Kift <[7][12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Pantera
Owners Club of
A A A America <[8][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
A A A Chris, these are not very intuitive. Of the numbers, the 60
and 50
A A are
A A A more significant. They are the aspect ratio, height vs
width. The 215
A A A and 245 are the section width. So the 60 number is the
important
A A A number.
A A A Jeff
A
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id=CjwKCA
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A A A On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 6:03 PM Christopher Kimball
A A A <[2][10][15]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A Hi Jeff,
A A A Roger Kraus recommended the same setup you describe with the
215 60
A A on
A A A the front.A You said you went with a 245 50 on the front,
but isn't
A A A that taller than a 215 60?
A A A Thanks,
A A A Chris
A A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A From: Jeff Detrich <[3][11][16]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A A Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 11:26 AM
A A A To: Julian Kift <[4][12][17]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A Cc: Christopher Kimball <[5][13][18]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
Pantera
A A Owners Club
A A A of America <[6][14][19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
A A A When I upgraded, there were no matching speed rated tires
except
A A A Avons.
A A A BACK:A Avon 15" CR6ZZ are 295/50 are high speed rated - R
IIRC.A Look
A A A and handle great.
A A A FRONT:A Avon 15" CR6ZZ 215/60 same as above. I mounted them
but they
A A A look somewhat out of proportion to my eye. /60 is too thin
and too
A A A tall. I switched to a Michelin speed rated tire 245/50R15 -
sorry,
A A A don't remember the model, car is in the shop. Car looks
balanced and
A A is
A A A balanced on the track.
A A A Pirelli Cinturato Classics are new to me. Would like hear
more
A A A details.
A A A Good to hear car coming along.
A A A Jeff
A A A 6559
A A A On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 12:34 PM Julian Kift
A A A <[7][15][20]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A A A A A I think the 15" tires of choice are the Avon CR6ZZ
or a Pirelli
A A A A A A Cinturato P7 classic, but even the Pirelli
345/35/15
A A replacement
A A A A now
A A A A A A has a VR designation with conflicting information
on speed
A A rating
A A A A A A quoted as Z or Y.
A A A A A A Julian
A A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A A A A From: DeTomaso
A A <[8][16][21]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
A A A A behalf of
A A A A A A Christopher Kimball
<[9][17][22]chrisvkimball at msn.com>
A A A A A A Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 10:04 AM
A A A A A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
A A A A <[10][18][23]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Tire question
A A A A A A Hi everyone,
A A A A A A I haven't been contributing much to the Pantera
community for a
A A A A long
A A A A A A while because my car has been undergoing an
extensive
A A A A restoration.
A A A A A A Thanks for understanding; once I get my car back
I'll return
A A once
A A A A again
A A A A A A to the realm of the Pantera faithful.
A A A A A A At this point the light at the end of the tunnel is
shining
A A A A brightly,
A A A A A A and it appears my car should be done very soon.
A A A A A A However, the tech who has been working on it told
me when he
A A took
A A A A it
A A A A A A for a test drive recently the tires were so hard it
was almost
A A A A A A dangerous to corner!
A A A A A A I know there have been a lot of tire discussions
over the
A A years,
A A A A and
A A A A A A now I'm hoping someone will remember the solution
to my tire
A A A A question,
A A A A A A which I'm sure has been dealt with already:A Is it
possible for
A A A A me to
A A A A A A find new tires which are Z, W, or Y rated in the
sizes 225 50
A A 15
A A A A A A (front), and either 295 50 15 or 285 50 15 (rear)?
A A A A A A I'm not overly concerned with the price if I can
get the sizes
A A I
A A A A need,
A A A A A A but obviously if I can find something reasonably
priced, that
A A A A would be
A A A A A A good.
A A A A A A Thanks, I appreciate your help!
A A A A A A Sincerely,
A A A A A A Chris
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