[DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and "thanks"for the support last weekend

Larry Stock larrys at panteraparts.com
Fri Feb 11 16:24:06 EST 2022


08130GDistributor Gear, Brass, dual shaft pins$98.00

larrys at PanteraParts.com

 

From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Date: Friday, February 11, 2022 at 1:01 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and "thanks"for the support last weekend

 

Any good sources for the best replacement parts?

 

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On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:00 PM Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:

Good to find root cause.  I’m glad your team found it.

 

Now to shore it up and put the pedal to the metal.

 

Asa Jay

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On Feb 11, 2022, at 12:21, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:



Thanks all for the comments -- we pulled the dizzy and it is as you suspected.  The pin was there - broken,  We will be doing some further inspection.  

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On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:01 PM Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:

The gear can slip a few degrees and then bind up on the pin fragments and continue to provide good oil pressure.  If the pin totally shears and -doesn’t- bind up, it’s hit or miss but should manifest with lower oil pressure.

 

Best to remove the dizzy to inspect.  Timing is off anyway, it bears inspection.

 

Asa  Jay

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On Feb 8, 2022, at 13:21, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:



How would that kind of failure impact oil pressure?  We still had great oil pressure.  We checked at the track and saw only 6-8 degrees of timing and it ran like crap as a result, but had great oil pressure.  

Regards, 


Steven G. Lisa, Esq.

The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC

Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com 

Direct: 480-442-0297

 

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On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:13 PM Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:

That is what we did for the first 30+ years to strengthen the single pin design.

Larry

 

From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:58 AM
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and "thanks" for the support last weekend

 

I have a vague recollection about a smaller roll pin inside the standard roll pin?

 

A discussion here:

 

https://www.vintage-mustang.com/threads/351c-breaking-distributor-gear-tension-pin.1184541/

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 10:33:14 AM PST, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote: 

 

 

It also drives the oil pump, and the new designs have two pins to hold the gear on the shaft.
Larry


On 2/8/22, 9:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

    Hi Steve,
    You may need to pull the distributor.  A common problem used to be the shear pin breaking on the gear to shaft connection.  It would usually twist just enough to throw timing off and cause poor running.  My money is on that, based on your description.

    It doesn’t happen often anymore but is more likely on high horsepower engines.

    Let us know what you find.  :)
    Asa  Jay

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    > On Feb 8, 2022, at 09:22, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
    > 
    >   All,A
    >  The bidding on my #94 Bill Elliott NASCAR has gone high enough that I
    >  pulled the reserve.A  It will be entertaining (at least for me) today
    >  to see how much higher (if any) it goes today.A  It is set to close
    >  around around 3:30 today.A  I thoughtA I would send the link in case
    >  any of you are interested in watching the car go...
    >  [1]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-thunderbird-3/
    >  Also, following up on Mike's post re videos and pictures from the
    >  Pantera weekend, I have reached out to SVRA and confirmed that they
    >  will share the video with me once they process it.A  I want to say
    >  thanksA for all the support last weekend.A  I forgot how much fun
    >  Fontana is -- the last time I raced there was 20 years in a Rolex race,
    >  driving a GT car.A  NASCAR 2 certainly gets your attention.A  A The
    >  Pantera ran great. I pulled it off the track Saturday night and all was
    >  fine.A  Sunday morning, a few laps into qualifying, it lost some power
    >  and started running poorly.A  We spent the next 4 hours diagnosing and
    >  the engine compression and carb filters were fine.A  It appears as if
    >  the timing changed -- but how????A  The distributor had not moved at
    >  all and was secure.A  So, we think either the MSD box or MSD
    >  distributor failed.A  We still have limited spacrs for the Pantera --
    >  so we were done Sunday without racing the final race.A  A
    >  Once the NASCAR sells, and now that the Pantera is doing well, we will
    >  be loading up on spares. So please keep your eyes/ears out for stock
    >  parts sitting around in garages and on shelves that were replaced on
    >  modified cars.A  A We will be looking for fairly priced stock
    >  components that typically fail.A A
    >  And, I was asked by SVRA to encourage more of you guys to get your race
    >  and street Panteras out to the events.A  We will be racing the SVRA
    >  event on April 21-24 at Laguna Seca.A  It would be great to get another
    >  Pantera or two in the paddock with us.A  I am sure a few Panteras in
    >  the paddock will get a lot of attention.A  A  A A
    >  Again, thanks all!
    >  A  A A
    >  Regards,A
    >  Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
    >  The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
    >  Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
    >  Direct: 480-442-0297
    >  [2]www.PatentIt.com
    >  Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A  |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
    >  |A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
    > 
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    >  Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
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    >  1. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-thunderbird-3/
    >  2. http://www.patentit.com/
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   08130G

   Distributor Gear, Brass, dual shaft pins

                                                                    $98.00

   larrys at PanteraParts.com


   From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
   Date: Friday, February 11, 2022 at 1:01 PM
   To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
   Cc: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Ken Green
   <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, List DeTomaso Forum
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and
   "thanks"for the support last weekend


   Any good sources for the best replacement parts?


   Regards,

   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.

   The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC

   Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com

   Direct: 480-442-0297


   [1]www.PatentIt.com


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   On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:00 PM Asa Jay Laughton <[2]asajay at asajay.com>
   wrote:

   Good to find root cause.  I'm glad your team found it.


   Now to shore it up and put the pedal to the metal.


   Asa Jay

   <thumbs up>

   Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks

     On Feb 11, 2022, at 12:21, Steve Lisa <[3]stevelisa at patentit.com>
     wrote:

   Thanks all for the comments -- we pulled the dizzy and it is as you
   suspected.  The pin was there - broken,  We will be doing some further
   inspection.

   Regards,

   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.

   The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC

   Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com

   Direct: 480-442-0297


   [4]www.PatentIt.com


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   On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:01 PM Asa Jay Laughton <[7]asajay at asajay.com>
   wrote:

   The gear can slip a few degrees and then bind up on the pin fragments
   and continue to provide good oil pressure.  If the pin totally shears
   and -doesn't- bind up, it's hit or miss but should manifest with lower
   oil pressure.


   Best to remove the dizzy to inspect.  Timing is off anyway, it bears
   inspection.


   Asa  Jay

   Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks

     On Feb 8, 2022, at 13:21, Steve Lisa <[8]stevelisa at patentit.com>
     wrote:

   How would that kind of failure impact oil pressure?  We still had great
   oil pressure.  We checked at the track and saw only 6-8 degrees of
   timing and it ran like crap as a result, but had great oil pressure.

   Regards,

   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.

   The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC

   Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com

   Direct: 480-442-0297


   [9]www.PatentIt.com


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   East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260

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   On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:13 PM Larry Stock
   <[10]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:

   That is what we did for the first 30+ years to strengthen the single
   pin design.

   Larry


   From: Ken Green <[11]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Reply-To: Ken Green <[12]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:58 AM
   To: Asa Jay Laughton <[13]asajay at asajay.com>, Steve Lisa
   <[14]stevelisa at patentit.com>, Larry Stock <[15]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <[16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and
   "thanks" for the support last weekend


   I have a vague recollection about a smaller roll pin inside the
   standard roll pin?


   A discussion here:


   [17]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/threads/351c-breaking-distributor-g
   ear-tension-pin.1184541/







   On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 10:33:14 AM PST, Larry Stock
   <[18]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:



   It also drives the oil pump, and the new designs have two pins to hold
   the gear on the shaft.
   Larry
   On 2/8/22, 9:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton via
   DeTomaso" <[19]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       Hi Steve,
       You may need to pull the distributor.  A common problem used to be
   the shear pin breaking on the gear to shaft connection.  It would
   usually twist just enough to throw timing off and cause poor running.
   My money is on that, based on your description.
       It doesn't happen often anymore but is more likely on high
   horsepower engines.
       Let us know what you find.  :)
       Asa  Jay
       Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
       > On Feb 8, 2022, at 09:22, Steve Lisa <[21]stevelisa at patentit.com>
   wrote:
       >
       >   All,A
       >  The bidding on my #94 Bill Elliott NASCAR has gone high enough
   that I
       >  pulled the reserve.A  It will be entertaining (at least for me)
   today
       >  to see how much higher (if any) it goes today.A  It is set to
   close
       >  around around 3:30 today.A  I thoughtA I would send the link in
   case
       >  any of you are interested in watching the car go...
       >
   [1][22]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-thunderbird-3/
       >  Also, following up on Mike's post re videos and pictures from
   the
       >  Pantera weekend, I have reached out to SVRA and confirmed that
   they
       >  will share the video with me once they process it.A  I want to
   say
       >  thanksA for all the support last weekend.A  I forgot how much
   fun
       >  Fontana is -- the last time I raced there was 20 years in a
   Rolex race,
       >  driving a GT car.A  NASCAR 2 certainly gets your attention.A  A
   The
       >  Pantera ran great. I pulled it off the track Saturday night and
   all was
       >  fine.A  Sunday morning, a few laps into qualifying, it lost some
   power
       >  and started running poorly.A  We spent the next 4 hours
   diagnosing and
       >  the engine compression and carb filters were fine.A  It appears
   as if
       >  the timing changed -- but how????A  The distributor had not
   moved at
       >  all and was secure.A  So, we think either the MSD box or MSD
       >  distributor failed.A  We still have limited spacrs for the
   Pantera --
       >  so we were done Sunday without racing the final race.A  A
       >  Once the NASCAR sells, and now that the Pantera is doing well,
   we will
       >  be loading up on spares. So please keep your eyes/ears out for
   stock
       >  parts sitting around in garages and on shelves that were
   replaced on
       >  modified cars.A  A We will be looking for fairly priced stock
       >  components that typically fail.A A
       >  And, I was asked by SVRA to encourage more of you guys to get
   your race
       >  and street Panteras out to the events.A  We will be racing the
   SVRA
       >  event on April 21-24 at Laguna Seca.A  It would be great to get
   another
       >  Pantera or two in the paddock with us.A  I am sure a few
   Panteras in
       >  the paddock will get a lot of attention.A  A  A A
       >  Again, thanks all!
       >  A  A A
       >  Regards,A
       >  Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
       >  The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
       >  Email: [23]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
       >  Direct: 480-442-0297
       >  [2][24]www.PatentIt.com
       >  Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A  |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
       >  |A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
       >
       >  Chicago OfficeA |A P: 312.752.4357A  |A  F: 312.896.5633A  |A
   A: 55 E.
       >  Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
       >  This email is intended only for the recipient above and may
   contain
       >  confidential and privileged information. If you received this
   email in
       >  error please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me.
   Thank
       >  you.
       >
       > References
       >
       >  1.
   [25]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-thunderbird-3/
       >  2. [26]http://www.patentit.com/
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